NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    The only solution would be to close this thread until we know NTTD is definitely releasing in November. Until then it is quite a useless thread if news can't be posted, as there is zero box office predictions to discuss. We do not know if the current release date will stand, and if a delay is inevitable, we have no idea what the new release date will be.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2020 Posts: 15,716
    Now for some actual news which I hope @antovolk and @Pierce2Daniel can weigh in:

    It seems Disney are set to push The New Mutants and Mulan to September, and Death on the Nile back one month to November. Disney's Brazilian division have already confirmed the delays for these 3 films. If the confirmation that all worldwide release dates are affected, Disney should be announcing it tomorrow.
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    Now for some actual news which I hope @antovolk and @Pierce2Daniel can weigh in:

    It seems Disney are set to push The New Mutants and Mulan to September, and Death on the Nile back one month to November. Disney's Brazilian division have already confirmed the delays for these 3 films. If the confirmation that all worldwide release dates are affected, Disney should be announcing it tomorrow.

    The studios tend to wait for close-of-play on Friday in Los Angeles time to announce delays. It's the perfect time to drop bad news and then do a runner. It's a long-running theme I've noticed..........

    I think the Deadline article mentioned that studios were waiting to see what Gavin Newsom are going to say yesterday. Now they have word on what happened, I think they are trying to figure out 'what happens next?' I assume all conversations this week have been focused on when they can re-open.

    I've been weighing up the pros/cons of the situation.

    Pros:
    • They have sunk a lot of marketing in the film and a trailer is already out as is the title song.
    • you can't put the genie back in the bottle in respect to either.
    • Therefore, they have lost the interest and awareness built up and have to start from scratch despite playing some very strong hands early.
    • Moving to your 5th release date is a pretty ugly situation for any film. The optics can look bad.
    • We are already 5 years out from SP and any further delays may sink interest in this story and iteration of Bond. Therefore, November is a necessity.

    Cons:
    • The reopening date is looking more like September/October. This could make NTTD one of the first films post-reopening.
    • No one wants to go first as viewing appetites haven't been gaged. Will people even go to the cinemas? Who knows currently.
    • If cinemas re-open there will be too many films crammed into the Thanksgiving and Xmas season. The competition will be be immense.
    • There is a chance of a vaccine in the latter part of 2020 and into early 2021. Waiting may be safer as you can wait for theatre capacity to increase and public confidence in line.
    • Bigger box office in 2021 and an big international press tour in 2021. The chances of the same in 2020 are slim.
    • There are ways to re-publicise the title song. For example, music video or have Billie/Finneas go on the press tour (much like Sam Smith)

    For these reasons, I think NTTD should go to 2021....I'd be interested to know what @antovolk thinks as he follows these things closer and knows heaps.

    But Bond in 2021 sounds right to me. I guess it'll come before February to qualify for the Oscars that year. However, that could move or get cancelled entirely.

    I think the vaccine is the only way out. Especially as the domestic box office is pivotal to franchise films. Rememeber, early tracking had NTTD opening to $70-100m.

    Some developments:


  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    The Oscars have already moved to April, haven't they?
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 3,164
    Now for some actual news which I hope @antovolk and @Pierce2Daniel can weigh in:

    It seems Disney are set to push The New Mutants and Mulan to September, and Death on the Nile back one month to November. Disney's Brazilian division have already confirmed the delays for these 3 films. If the confirmation that all worldwide release dates are affected, Disney should be announcing it tomorrow.

    Ah, thanks for that - asked on the other thread if there was a source.

    It seems it's just a Brazil specific case, Tenet is currently set for August 27 there. Cinemas there are on the slower side of reopening due to how bad the situation is with COVID.
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    The Oscars have already moved to April, haven't they?

    Yes, every movie award show has been pushed back two months, because they pushed the Oscar entry date for movies from Dec 31st to Feb 28th.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited July 2020 Posts: 13,790
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    No Time To Die: Next Bond Film Gets New
    Release Date
    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/no-time-to-die-next-bond-film-gets-new-release-dat/1100-6478435/
    After being delayed all the way to November, the wait for the new James Bond movie will now be a few days shorter.
    By Chris Pereira on July 2, 2020 at 8:10AM PDT
    The wait for the next James Bond movie will be a bit shorter than expected. After it was delayed until November due to COVID-19, No Time to Die has now been shifted forward and will release five days sooner than expected in the United States.
    As announced in the tweet below, No Time to Die's release date is now November 20 in the US. As per usual for a 007 movie, it'll be out prior to that in the UK, where it debuts on November 12 (as previously scheduled).
    No Time to Die was originally expected to be out this past April, but it was among the many movies to have their release dates moved back due to the coronavirus pandemic. Some films are still shifting around, with Christopher Nolan's Tenet having just been pushed back two weeks to July 31.



    The last Bond film, Spectre, was released five years ago in 2015, making this the longest wait in between 007 romps since Daniel Craig took over the role from Pierce Brosnan in 2006's Casino Royale. And No Time To Die hasn't exactly had a smooth production; uncertainties surrounding it have ranged from whether Craig would return to the role of Bond, to changes in directors and writers. The COVID-19 delay is just the movie's latest setback.

    However, we're still very excited for the secret agent with a license to kill to return to the big screen. If you want to know why, check out everything we know about James Bond: No Time to Die.
    https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/james-bond-no-time-to-die-everything-we-know-about/2900-3255/

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  • edited July 2020 Posts: 824
    Clearly still some doubt about NTTD opening in November in my opinion. US infections rates are still poor and increasing in some areas. UK rates have declined but easing of lock down restrictions is seen as a huge gamble and it's possible a second wave could hit this Autumn. Quarantine restrictions for visitors from US to UK are still likely to be in place in November as is 1 metre social distancing. London Film Festival in October will be mainly virtual but with a significantly reduced number of cinema screenings Bond or no Bond will people still want to attend cinema screenings in these circumstances?
  • OOWolfOOWolf Savannah
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    At this point, it doesn't really matter when 'NTTD' comes out. MGM and Universal are big businesses who only care about the numbers. I doubt a single Bond fan has ever said that a OO7 film NEEDS to have a 250mil. budget, but no, it's all about being bigger and bigger and bigger... and then Daniel Craig's 25mil. advance and then this and then that...
    There was so much uncertainty and so many complications in the production that there's almost a karmic quality to all of this, but oh well.

    I am absolutely convinced that a full capacity cinema is not in the cards for 2020 and it's a very vague reality for the first half of 2021. I'm also convinced that they would recoup their money between VOD and a later cinema release. The problem is, they want that 1billion+ so bad, that they'd rather take the blow of constant rescheduling.
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 625
    OOWolf wrote: »
    I am absolutely convinced that a full capacity cinema is not in the cards for 2020 and it's a very vague reality for the first half of 2021.
    I believe you only refer to the USA.
    Because in one german state (Northrhine Wesfalia) some theatres are already operating in full capacity already.
  • OOWolfOOWolf Savannah
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    Jan1985 wrote: »
    OOWolf wrote: »
    I am absolutely convinced that a full capacity cinema is not in the cards for 2020 and it's a very vague reality for the first half of 2021.
    I believe you only refer to the USA.
    Because in one german state (Northrhine Wesfalia) some theatres are already operating in full capacity already.

    Didn't know that. I suppose I was referring primarily to the States. Regardless, it won't do theaters any good in Europe if the film isn't released worldwide.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2020 Posts: 15,716
    The next round of delays has started:

    Halloween Kills delayed to October 2021.
    The Forever Purge delayed to July 2021.
    Candyman delayed to October 2020.

    https://www.thewrap.com/universal-shifts-blumhouses-halloween-sequel-and-the-forever-purge-to-2021/
  • The next round of delays has started:

    Halloween Kills delayed to October 2021.
    The Forever Purge delayed to July 2021.
    Candyman delayed to October 2020.

    https://www.thewrap.com/universal-shifts-blumhouses-halloween-sequel-and-the-forever-purge-to-2021/

    Yikes, I wonder if NTTD will be in the next round ?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Time is getting uncomfortably shorter as it passes, and there seems to be no indication of the pandemic slowing down, especially in the US.

    Putting it in November was a great decision at the time it was made, when we had more time to be able to combat this pandemic. But now the last four months have been a complete waste of effort due to the US prematurely wanting to get the economy back up and now it'll be even HARDER than it was in March to resolve it.

    I'm truly sorry my country is run by a bunch of incompetent boobs.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Time is getting uncomfortably shorter as it passes, and there seems to be no indication of the pandemic slowing down, especially in the US.

    Putting it in November was a great decision at the time it was made, when we had more time to be able to combat this pandemic. But now the last four months have been a complete waste of effort due to the US prematurely wanting to get the economy back up and now it'll be even HARDER than it was in March to resolve it.

    I'm truly sorry my country is run by a bunch of incompetent boobs.

    Yep and it isn’t getting any better. And people aren’t interested in helping getting the wrong people in charge out, it seems. I see the same 3 biggest boobs getting re-elected (most likely by cheating in some way) in November (Trump, Pence and McConnell). I’m sorry, world. End rant.
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 4,409
    New report from The Sun (big grain of salt...) says decision to push NTTD due at the end of this month:



    I know it's The Sun, but I buy it. For the last two weeks, the USA has been reporting daily increases which are records for certain states. Meanwhile, the President denies the increase is due to the virus spreading and is blaming testing. It's a pretty insane situation.

    Simply put...NTTD does not want to be one the first blockbusters to come out post-pandemic. As the article puts it, if the film grosses less than $500m than it's an outright failure theatrically. The economics of NTTD sadly mean it's theatres and nothing else. For that to be a financially viable position, cinemas need to be at near full capacity and open internationally.

    LA is on the verge of announcing stay-at-home measures to stop the spread....this is within a state that only just sanctioned the re-opening of theatres a month ago.



    If they go into mandatory lockdown there, then the movie industry takes a direct hit. It means Tenet's 12 August release is toast. Which means Tenet is looking at opening in September/October..........................Which means the dominoes fall and Wonder Woman moves, Black Widow moves, etc.

    Bond is going to 2021. We will sadly end up with another 5 year wait.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    That twitter user seriously believes we would have gotten a Bond 26 by 2021? Sounds delusional.
  • That twitter user seriously believes we would have gotten a Bond 26 by 2021? Sounds delusional.

    We'll be lucky if we get Bond 26 by the end of the decade at this rate.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I give it four years after NTTD comes out. So if it’s changed to 2021, then Bond 26 is 2025.
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    We won’t see many films being made after COVID with a budget of a quarter of a billion dollars, as the financial risk to the production companies for such monsters will be too insane.

    Films made after COVID are likely to be small budget affairs, so that they can still go into profit even if half the world’s cinemas are shut, and B26 will be no different.

    This means in turn though that B26 might come along quite quickly. Perhaps 2 or 3 years. The smaller the film, the quicker the turnaround time, and all that.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Also in the Daily Mail

    No Time To Die's release date 'is set to be changed AGAIN after COVID-19 stalled the James Bond film's launch by 7 months'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8508403/No-Time-Dies-release-date-set-changed-COVID-19-stalled-James-Bond-film.html

    (grain of salt as always)

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Guys another delay is obvious given the situation in the US... without mentioning the risks of a potential second wave in UE in autumn.
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    Slight spitballing here but there's this prevailing argument coming out of UK and other international cinema owners now - how much the US situation is holding the rest of world hostage. Cinemas can't reopen without big new films but big new films are being delayed - at this point a primary reason being just how bad the US is handling the virus.

    https://www.screendaily.com/news/screendaily-talks-uk-exhibitors-urge-us-studios-to-release-their-films-in-worlds-open-cinemas/5151464.article

    If we're still in the same place in November, if there's a big blockbuster that could get away with not being a global day and date theatrical release and go international and UK first by a considerable margin, it's NTTD I'd say...hell maybe one step further and VOD it in the US only?
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Grain of salt, truck of salt. Too much salt for me, my tongue already taste weird :P
    All jokes aside, NTTD is delayed to next year. Question is how long this situation will last?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    antovolk wrote: »
    Slight spitballing here but there's this prevailing argument coming out of UK and other international cinema owners now - how much the US situation is holding the rest of world hostage. Cinemas can't reopen without big new films but big new films are being delayed - at this point a primary reason being just how bad the US is handling the virus.

    https://www.screendaily.com/news/screendaily-talks-uk-exhibitors-urge-us-studios-to-release-their-films-in-worlds-open-cinemas/5151464.article

    If we're still in the same place in November, if there's a big blockbuster that could get away with not being a global day and date theatrical release and go international and UK first by a considerable margin, it's NTTD I'd say...hell maybe one step further and VOD it in the US only?

    Perhaps they could push the US release date back to allow for three weeks of an international theatrical run before giving it to the US on VOD? That would definitely get them over the mark in terms of what they need to pull in, dollar wise. VOD in the States just in time for Christmas?
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    That might be a solution if US cinemas don't reopen this year. Three week international release before US VOD means piracy that could come from VOD first all around wouldn't be as bad as it could be (if that's a concern), international cinemas are happy as it still plays on their screens for an exclusive period of time, those of us (which look to be a small % anyway internationally) not feeling confident about returning to the cinema even in November can 'digitally import' the VOD.

    I outlined in the other thread basically what the situation is right now when it comes to new releases and cinemas - I feel with that in mind whoever among the big blockbusters proves to be the most flexible in terms of release strategies and models (and not necessarily axiomatic - either cinemas only globally or PVOD only globally) is gonna be ahead of the pack.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2020 Posts: 15,716
    @antovolk if you don't mind me asking: In the event of a big delay (to 2021), how would certain major films handle their marketing campaign? I'm thinking in particular of Mulan and Black Widow, which both have released their teaser trailer, theatrical trailer and final trailer. Would they just rerelease these same trailers (with the updated 2021 date) in cinemas once it is time to do so?
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 3,164
    @antovolk if you don't mind me asking: In the event of a big delay (to 2021), how would certain major films handle their marketing campaign? I'm thinking in particular of Mulan and Black Widow, which both have released their teaser trailer, theatrical trailer and final trailer. Would they just rerelease these same trailers (with the updated 2021 date) in cinemas once it is time to do so?

    On the one hand, Mulan and Black Widow almost certainly have alternate versions of the trailer/s they had in development that they can go back to, same goes for posters. In case of a big delay I feel they will have to restart properly.

    Then again, we can look at King's Man which was scheduled for Feb and is now in September - by last autumn they had two trailers and the final poster...and then last month they just dropped one more trailer and one more final poster. That didn't start from scratch.

    The existing trailers almost certainly now have versions with updated dates cinemas can screen.
  • In UK we have 1 metre social distancing. Even if the film opens here this year the attendance figures will be 50% capacity at best. Royal Albert Hall world premiere will be a damp squib.
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    That twitter user seriously believes we would have gotten a Bond 26 by 2021? Sounds delusional.

    We'll be lucky if we get Bond 26 by the end of the decade at this rate.

    I'm thinking 2032 in time for the 70th anniversary.
    Honestly I'm afraid we'll be in the middle of another long gap, say 5 years after NTTD when we get the sad announcement Barbara and Michael are closing up shop for good.
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