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I tend to disagree. Spectre had the same hype train following Skyfall, but in the end grossed 220 million less. So your prediction about M:I-7 grossing more than Fallout it's pretty arbitrary. M:I-7 is a career high both for Cruise and the franchise, and I find it really unlikely that the sequel will be amazingly received like Fallout.
On the other hand, Bond 25 could benefit a lot from the delay - given the fact that WW84 will be a smash, especially in the US - with a release date in a far less crowded lot. Plus, the hype surrounding the last Craig Bond after a more than 4 yeas hiatus could be another important factor. Every new Bond movie is ALWAYS a cinematic event. Releasing a Bond movie after so "many" years will make Bond 25 an even bigger event, with the right marketing obviously (which Universal could provide far better than Sony).
Plus, the general audience didn't' see Spectre as one of the worst Bond. Spectre received the same CinemaScore as Casino Royale and it's the second highest grossing movie of the franchise. People saw Spectre as a "downer" in comparison with Skyfall, but still a pretty solid and enjoyable piece of entertainment.
As of today I don't believe that M:I-7 will gross more than B25. What if B25 will get stellar reviews, while M:I-7 poorer reviews than Fallout (which is pretty likely, given all the critical exaggeration surrounding Fallout)? Time will tell.
Having said that, in 10 years there won't be any other Mission Impossible, because Cruise will be on his way to the 70. On the other hand Bond will continue making tons of money, because James Bond will always return. So who cares.
Imho, Spectre looks like a movie. A real movie with some flaws but also with some great stuff.
Fallout looks like a collection of (incredible) action set pieces, but with no concept behind it, an embarrassing script written day by day and overall terrible performances (aside Cruise body work).
So in the end I can rewatch Spectre dozen times, but I'll never rewatch Fallout.
Nope. You're wrong. You need to check your figures.
Revenue made in relation to COST has Fallout making more money.
You lost me here. Pure masochism.
Maybe just a pretty consistent difference in taste between u and me?
The notion of Spectre being one of the worst Bond ever made is just a pretty inconsistent opinion shared between some die hard Bond fans all around the world, which has nothing to share with the real general reception of the film from both the audience and the critics.
While masochism is still being an active Bond fan while consistently complaining every day on a forum about how things where better in the 70s/80s/90s knowing that your (I'm speaking in general) beloved incarnation of Bond will never ever show up again. Like 80% of people which consider Spectre one of the worst Bond films, if not THE worst. That's masochism. Not rewatching a movie you like. ;)
Haha don't worry. I never have any malice in my words. All in good spirits. Spectre is not my least favourite Bond film, but it's down there and while it does have merits, none of them are strong enough to overcome the weaknesses of the entire enterprise and I find it suffers incredibly on rewatch because of it. Mendes did a great job bringing the series back into the limelight in 2012 but he overstretched himself big time and it was a hack job of the highest order.
One thing I've noticed about the Bond/MI thing is that people continously feel the need to tear one down over the other. It reminds me of the DC/Marvel nonsense. It is possible to like both. The argument of "Bond will be here in 10 years while MI won't" is irrelevant to the actual quality of the films. It's a cop out when it comes to actually critiquing them fairly.
That's not directed at you specifically, by the way - I've seen many people say the exact same thing since Fallout came out and got its deserved success.
I can rewatch both (and have done so with SP several times over the past three years) but much prefer Fallout.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree regarding the actual merits and visual aesthetics of both films. On that front I once again far prefer Fallout, but to each their own.
780-178 = 602 Fallout
880-245 = 635 Bond
Yep this kind of "rivalry" (if it really exists within Bond and Hunt) is just childish nonsense. Having said that, i mentioned the fact that Bond will survive while M:I not just because in the end all this kind of box-office comparisons between the two franchises are pretty irrelevant given the fact that in 10 years or something there won't be no more M:I movies, while Bond will 99.9% continue (endlessly? I hope) making tons of money.
Yep. Fallout has a really great cinematography (better than any other M:I movies) with a silhouette work clearly in debt with Deakins. But I still prefer a more authorial take like in Spectre, where the cinematography had really something to tell about the mood and the interpretation of every different location, with a clear and panoramic scope.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bond24.htm
SP's gross is probably around $920 million adjusted for inflation so not too sure about that.
February will bring it TONS of money.
If it has great reviews it may get to 1 billion again. Otherwise, if it gets bad reviews I predict 750-800m
I think it has a shot at 1b.
Don't forget the budget for SP is also higher when adjusted for inflation, not just the gross.
MI is still adding money at the boxoffice, and should pass 775 this weekend easily. Then you have things like exchange rates, and the probability that SP, being such a juggernaut production probably had a bigger marketing budget. It's complicated, but I imagine they're neck and neck right now in terms of profitability.
Anyway, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about the budgets of both B25 and MI:7.
I agree EON will look to scale back, but I can't see them going anything lower than 200M. That was the budget QoS had and that was a decade ago. I thought they might produce Bond 25 for around 125 - 150 but that was before Boyle left and they apparently mandated more action for the film. Maybe feeling the heat from competition like Fallout? Absolute minimum for Bond 25 I'll predict at 175M.
On the MI side of things, Fallout still has a way to go, but let's just say it's a major hit. There was talk that Paramount had let the budget creep too high on this one, 178 compared with the usual 150 area. But the extra money spent getting the stuntwork and action sequences just right seems to have paid off, big time! They certainly won't go lower than 175 - 180 for M:I7. I could even see 200 million as the series now has big markets in both China and US. Most franchises, outside superheroes, only capture one of those two.
https://www.filmla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2015_film_study_v5_WEB.pdf
https://www.webcitation.org/6qDBb3xKV?url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-preview-spectre-peanuts-836282
https://deadline.com/2015/11/spectre-the-peanuts-movie-james-bond-box-office-1201610575/
https://variety.com/2015/film/box-office/spectre-box-office-1201633311/
You're welcome.
What you've done is take the BO total as it is and take from it a partial production cost without factoring the fact total cost of production which is double the initial production cost and add $150M for marketing and promotion. Also SP cost $250M.
Once calculated you'll see that Fallout is the more profitable film.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bond24.htm
Oh dear, what’s wrong with u?
If we use boxofficemojo as the source for all the box office numbers is perfectly logical to use it also for the budget related numbers. Plain and simple.
The Numbers reports a production budget of 300 millions for your information. So what are we talking about?
That's how I see it anyway.
You know what? I don’t care about your logic.
We’re talking about a 5 million difference that adds nothing to all those revenue discussions. And as you say, your sources aren’t event able to determine a confirmed final budget, so what do you want exactly? I never insulted you logic, but for sure you’re the most touchy member in here. Cheers.
Think you need to read your comment again to see if you did send the insult my way or not:
Just in case.
The point is there is at least a 60 million different between the budget of MI6 and SP, which means if Fallout reaches 780 - 790, it will be definitely more profitable. This is perhaps they have given Boyle the boot, and shifted direction at the last minute.
Mmmh, is this an insult? If I hurted your feelings, my apologies.
To me, all this noise with multiple sources etc etc for a 5 million difference seems just ridicolous. I just linked u Spectre’s page on boxofficemojo because I think using the same super reliable source as a parameter for every aspect box office related seems the easiest way to discuss those things.
What I’ve done is work from the figures @Mendes4Lyfe quoted, which was the point I was making
There was some trepidation since Wonder Woman 1984 posed a genuine threat of posting huge domestic numbers and crushing with a worldwide gross north of $1b.
However, now that film has moved into summer 2020, Bond would have dominated with no real completion in that window. The only thing getting in the way would have been the Terminator reboot. But there have been two attempts to revive that franchise and both flopped. Bond would have made easy work of that film.
There’s no doubt that the 14 Feb release is a solid date that could really change the picture. But I’m sure for certainty’s sake, Eon would have rested easier in a less unproven slot. I still wouldn’t be surprised if Bond 25 gets delayed to October 2020.
Quite frankly, nothing would surprise me going forward. I think we could be in store for a few more bombshells before release date, but I hope another postponement isn't one of them.
Regarding losing the traditional date; I don't mind. At least we now have one global release date rather than a staggered setup, which I never liked. February is a slow time anyway, so if B25 is any good it should have the market to itself and be able to clean up. All that's required is a level of buzz and enthusiasm to get the larger audience into the theatre (casting will be critical) and then the film will have to do the rest.
https://heroichollywood.com/birds-of-prey-cathy-yan-r-rating/
Obviously, this is a fairly big deal as it will mean that the film will limit its audiences. It may have the ‘Deadpool’ effect and really cross-over, but going into its second week, it should loose steam which will leave enough room for Bond to post some big numbers.
Plus, international audiences aren’t quite as excited by R rated fare, but they love Bond. So Bond shouldn’t have much trouble from this film outside North America. However, I wouldn’t say that ‘Birds of Prey’ isn’t a risk anymore, it could still hurt Bond’s box office (but perhaps not fatally).
Plus, Margot Robbie is a Capital A-list Movie Star.