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Not sure if he's always been, but now American audiences are less important than they used to be.
That's how it is and always was.
Here in Germany Bond is bigger than Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel, DC, Mission Impossible,
Fast & Furious etc.
Bond is THE movie experience.
In the US Bond is just one of many film franchises.
Also currently has a 89% on RT Audience Reviews after 1000+ verified reviews. That's actually the highest since CR got a 90% with audiences. (Skyfall had gotten an 86%).
That’s promising.
If nothing it's a critical and "popular" success.
Edit: Predictions are now 55-56M for the weekend. Lower end of the initial expectations. Not great for the US showing, but it does seem to be doing well internationally, what can you do?
Edit 2: Updated international numbers
IMDb rating hasn’t dropped for several days now. Guess the a balanced influx of positive and negative votes is keeping it from moving.
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Fair enough.
Yes, it is always interesting consider the differences between the US domestic market and the rest of the World
On inflation corrected figures, TB comes out comfortably on top in the US, while SF is far and away the most popular Bond film ever in the rest of the World (My source suggests the arrival of China as a major market may account for this)
Second place goes to GF in the US and to LALD in the rest of the World (Rogers reign getting off to a better start than it is given credit for)
SF makes it's appearance in third place in the US, while SP takes third place in the rest of the World (the China effect again?)
4th and 5th go to YOLT and DAF in the US, while TB and GF take those spots in the rest of the World (Connery rules!)
Further down Moonraker and DAD place above SP and CR in the US, suggesting that a return to the lighter touch is more likely to succeed over there.
It will be very interesting to see where NTTD ends up in the rankings in this Covid affected market
PS;- And the unanimous bottom four, wherever you are on the planet, seem to be LTK, TLD, AVTAK and TMWTGG (sorry Timothy!)
There was an unfortunate disruption at the IMAX screening during the pre-titles with a person wearing a gas mask complaining about reserved seating. Ushers took awhile to escort him out, but thankfully action kicked in to cloud his complaining. By the time the titles kicked in the masked man was gone.
Same here. How are the crowds for NTTD in your area? Sorry if you’ve already explained.
That’s astonishing news about LALD. I had no idea.
I like LALD more than most here but I am still amazed it’s the second biggest grosser outside the US.
The barometer of a quality Bond movie is clearly not the US market.
Sadly, the headlines earlier this week projecting $100m have not come to fruition. In fact, the trade headlines projecting $60m may have been a little too optimistic. It looks as though NTTD will debut at $55-56m domestically (a much softer opening than expected). This is the lowest opening for a Bond since CR.
I think many are pointing to the fact that Bond skews older and that audience are just not going back to cinemas in the USA. It's teenage boys who are racing back and they love Marvel and Fast and Furious movies. They think Bond is something their father enjoys. Nonetheless, it's a different picture internationally where NTTD will cross $300m by the end of today. It just goes to show that Bond is really a franchise built predominately for European audiences (especially the UK and Germany).
The US numbers do paint an interesting picture though....Mainly as it really emphasises the need to reboot the character. Bond needs a younger actor to give it a contemporary edge. NTTD is a very old fashioned Bond film by design. It's meant to be the culmination film for Craig's tenure and there is a fair degree of fan service in the film. Whilst the point is being made that older audiences are not turning up in droves for NTTD, the real point is that younger audiences are ambivalent. If the franchise is to survive for another 20 years, it needs to update and we need a younger Bond. Perhaps one of these guys...........
Very good points made re box office but I don't want a younger actor just to pander to the younger US demographic. If it suits the direction EON want to go fair enough but im actually I'm proud that Europe/ Rest of world is proving that Bond is a global phenomenon and not dependent on one market that doesn't "get" a grittier/ "closer to Fleming" iteration of the character. Tim Daltons films faltered in the States for this reason. I just hope we don't back to the Roger Moore/ Pierce Brosnan light hearted versions (as enjoyable as they were at the time) just to get a bigger slice of the "American pie".
What especially makes it different is that it’s more “grown up” than Marvel, Fast & Furious, etc. at the second screening I went to there was a couple who brought their ten year old boy, and he was constantly complaining about how bored he was. Can’t really blame him. When there’s no action it’s far more “talky” and the humor isn’t overplayed like with other popular blockbuster films. Ultimately I think the six year gap made US interest lesser. Not the case in Europe obviously, because Bond is more an international phenomenon. Less so in the US.
I wouldn't say comic book movies are the lowest common denominator, well I might because I really have had enough of them but to add some balance I know some of them are made with some care and attention but having now seen the Venom Carnage trailer 3 times, that just looks like garbage, literally.
They'll just put out anything these days, I hope Andy Serkis enjoyed his pay packet and Robert Richardson, I suppose he's got to eat. Deakins was snotty about Bond but seriously....
The UK is lapping this up, the spiritual home of Bond and its going down well in Europe, if it makes the money it needs to without the U.S, what is the big deal?
As someone said the U.S is becoming even more irrelevant as time goes on, I normally have no dog in this fight because blockbuster leave me cold, Bond and the odd other film like Dune will get my money.
Blockbusters aren't looking to appeal to a nearly 50 year old man who prefers story over whizz bang effects, so trying to appeal to my demographic is not a concern of Hollywood.
There is disengaging the brain for some fun but the constant wash of CGI just hurts my head and watching the new Spiderman trailer now 3 times as well, can these films function without employing Deus Ex Machina, yet another time travel solution to progress things on.
Maybe Bond is the left vestige of a fallible characters that doesn't use sci-fi so explicitly to get itself out of a hole. I know they are far fetched but Bond isn't George Smiley and it should never be.
Even though the Craig films have grounded the character and given it more depth, these films are still fantastical and should always be but it makes you wonder what might happen in the wrong hands.
If Bond does ever slips out of the hands of the Broccoli family like some would seem to like, seeing they have had the character ruined in this recent film. This is more of a reality with Amazon moving to take ownership of MGM.
You think BB & EON have ruined it now, if this does at some point become owned by Amazon, get ready for them making TV shows etc. Also if Amazon had managed to get BB & MGW to sell it as part of this deal, I guarantee we would have got either a TV series or film series with Nomi as 007 with the MI6 team either in the same roles or recast in that timeline and possibly a Paloma show or films.
BB & EON are committed to keeping these big screen experiences but if their situation changes, the dilution of the brand would be inevitable. Besos acquired MGM with the intention of handing BB & MGW a cheque to take control of Bond but thankfully BB gave him a colourful metaphor in response I believe.
Be careful what you wish for....
James Bond has always primarily pandered to British, and then rest of the European audience.
Those $100m estimate numbers were from only one outlet and were never going to happen.
Many of the movies have little to do with Fleming, and we wouldn't even be sitting here posting on a message board about NTTD box office if it weren't for the efforts of a production company created by an American and a Canadian and currently owned and managed by two Americans.
There is no "spiritual home" of Bond movies. They belong to everyone.