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PTS OPINIONS : CONNERY BOND (INCLUDING NSNA 'KIDNAP' INTRO) vs MOORE BOND.

barryt007barryt007
edited March 2019 in Bond Movies Posts: 19,339
This is a good chunk of the whole series between these 2 heavyweights:

1) TB
2) DAF
3) FYEO
4) OP
5) AVTAK
6) MR
7) GF
8) TSWLM
9) NSNA
10)TMWTGG
11)LALD
12)FRWL
13)YOLT

Over to you..took me a long while to decide !!
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  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    Also subject to change, but, here it goes:

    1/TB
    2/GF

    3/DAF
    4/OP

    5/YOLT
    6/AVTAK
    7/FRWL
    8/NSNA
    9/TSWLM
    10/MR
    11/FYEO
    12/TMWTGG
    13/LALD

    And @barryt007 -- I think you forgot YOLT!
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited September 2018 Posts: 17,821
    Oooh, not an easy ranking to make this, @barryt007! Alright, based on last viewings I'd rank them something like this:

    1. TB
    2. FRWL
    3. TSWLM
    4. DAF
    5. FYEO
    6. GF
    7. OP
    8. AVTAK
    9. TMWTGG
    10. LALD
    11. YOLT
    12. NSNA
    13. MR
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    peter wrote: »
    Also subject to change, but, here it goes:

    1/TB
    2/GF

    3/DAF
    4/OP

    5/YOLT
    6/AVTAK
    7/FRWL
    8/NSNA
    9/TSWLM
    10/MR
    11/FYEO
    12/TMWTGG
    13/LALD
    14)YOLT

    And @barryt007 -- I think you forgot YOLT!

    Not again !!!
    I did this last time and Torg picked me up on missed films...stress does count...thanks @peter old buddy ,it's in there now.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    1. GF - perfection.
    2. FRWL
    3. TSWLM
    4. TB
    5. OP
    6. FYEO
    7. DAF
    8. MR
    9. YOLT
    10. AVTAK
    11. TMWTGG
    12. LALD
    13. NSNA - it'd be higher without the song.
    14. DN - WTF. Yes I'm kidding.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    edited October 2018 Posts: 16,226
    1. OCTOPUSSY
    2. GOLDFINGER
    3. THUNDERBALL
    4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    5. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    6. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN
    7. MOONRAKER
    8. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    9. A VIEW TO A KILL
    10. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    11. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    12. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
    13. LIVE AND LET DIE
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    barryt007 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Also subject to change, but, here it goes:

    1/TB
    2/GF

    3/DAF
    4/OP

    5/YOLT
    6/AVTAK
    7/FRWL
    8/NSNA
    9/TSWLM
    10/MR
    11/FYEO
    12/TMWTGG
    13/LALD
    14)YOLT

    And @barryt007 -- I think you forgot YOLT!

    Not again !!!
    I did this last time and Torg picked me up on missed films...stress does count...thanks @peter old buddy ,it's in there now.

    no problem, @barryt007 -- after all, you're the creator of this thread (and, really, a tough one it is!), so maybe YOLT doesn't exist in this thread's reality, lol.

    Thanks for creating these threads, my man, they're extremely thoughtful. I'm sure it gives everyone pause before they answer!!! And that would be the ideal for every thread: before answering, give pause...

    P
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,624
    This is harder than it looks!
    1. OP
    2. TB
    3 .GF
    4. FYEO
    5. MR.
    6. AVTAK
    7. TMWTGG
    8. TSWLM
    9. FRWL
    10. NSNA
    11. YOLT
    12. DAF
    13. LALD
  • petergreenhill5petergreenhill5
    edited October 2018 Posts: 824
    1. FRWL
    2.TB
    3 YOLT
    4 GF
    5 DN
    6. DAF
    7 NSNA
    8 AVTAK
    9. FYEO
    10. LALD
    11 TSWLM
    12 OP
    13 MR
    14 TMWTGG

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    1 GF
    2 FYEO
    3 MR
    4 FRWL
    5 TSWLM
    6 OP
    7 LALD
    8 NSNA
    9 TB
    10 DAF
    11 YOLT
    12 TMWTGG
    13 AVTAK
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,890
    1. TSWLM
    2. GF
    3. OP
    4. MR
    5. FYEO
    6. AVTAK
    7. YOLT
    8. TB
    9. FRWL
    10. TMWTGG
    11. DAF
    12. LALD

    There's a big gap between my top two. The rest are really close.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,722
    1) GF
    2) TSWLM
    3) OP
    4) FRWL
    5) MR
    6) YOLT
    7) TB
    8) FYEO
    9) LALD
    10) TMWTGG
    11) AVTAK
    12) NSNA
    13) DAF
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    1. TSWLM
    2. MR
    3. GF
    4. OP
    5. FRWL
    6. FYEO
    7. TB
    8. YOLT
    9. NSNA
    10. LALD
    11. TMWTGG
    12. AVTAK
    13. DAF
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,262
    001) TB
    002) GF
    003) TSWLM
    004) MR
    005) OP
    006) FRWL
    007) TMWTGG
    008) DAF
    009) FYEO
    0010) YOLT
    0011) NSNA
    0012) LALD
    0013) AVTAK
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,171
    GF
    TSWLM
    OP
    FRWL
    TB
    TMWTGG
    FYEO
    LALD
    YOLT
    MR
    DAF
    NSNA
    AVTAK
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,219
    1. Thunderball
    2. From Russia with Love
    3. For Your Eyes Only
    4. Goldfinger
    5. The Man with the Golden Gun
    6. A View to a Kill
    7. The Spy Who Loved Me
    8. Diamonds Are Forever
    9. .You Only Live Twice
    10. Octopussy
    11. Never Say Never Again
    12. Moonraker
    13. Live and Let Die
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,624
    I too have LALD in last place. I love the film, but am often tempted to fast forward tthrough the pts. It's not interesting at all to me.
    I would have preferred if after the gunbarrel we open on Bond in bed with Maddy Smith, the knock on the door though is a villain, an after attack from their mission together. A fight ensues, and after the apartment is trashed from the scrap, M appears in the doorway, frowning from the mess and the half naked Miss Caruso. Fade to titles.
    The opening scene is then the agents being killed! We then cut back to M briefing Bond in his apartment!
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,262
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I too have LALD in last place. I love the film, but am often tempted to fast forward tthrough the pts. It's not interesting at all to me.
    I would have preferred if after the gunbarrel we open on Bond in bed with Maddy Smith, the knock on the door though is a villain, an after attack from their mission together. A fight ensues, and after the apartment is trashed from the scrap, M appears in the doorway, frowning from the mess and the half naked Miss Caruso. Fade to titles.
    The opening scene is then the agents being killed! We then cut back to M briefing Bond in his apartment!

    Intriguing idea. I think their idea at the time was to NOT give the new Bond a special intro like they did for Connery and Lazenby (and would later do for Dalton, Brosnan and Craig) and make it seem like Moore had been Bond all along.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,390
    GF
    TSWLM
    MR
    OP
    FYEO
    TB
    AVTAK
    FRWL
    YOLT
    DAF
    TMWTGG
    LALD

    By the mid-to-late Moore years, it was as if they were putting all their energy into the PTSes, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the film.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited October 2018 Posts: 7,219
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I too have LALD in last place. I love the film, but am often tempted to fast forward tthrough the pts. It's not interesting at all to me.
    I would have preferred if after the gunbarrel we open on Bond in bed with Maddy Smith, the knock on the door though is a villain, an after attack from their mission together. A fight ensues, and after the apartment is trashed from the scrap, M appears in the doorway, frowning from the mess and the half naked Miss Caruso. Fade to titles.
    The opening scene is then the agents being killed! We then cut back to M briefing Bond in his apartment!

    I’d probably put LALD’s PTS somewhere near the bottom of the series. The idea of three British agents being assassinated isn’t a bad one, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired. I think I have that feeling because I’m not very impressed with the cinematography during these scenes.

    On the other hand, I love the PTS’s of TMWTGG and AVTAK. The former benefits from a fine touch of mysteriousness and its use of colours hints at Italian horror alla Mario Bava while the latter intruiges me as ‘a mission on the other side of the Iron Curtain’.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    I'm surprised TSWLM and MR aren't higher. Rick Sylvester anyone?
    echo wrote: »
    By the mid-to-late Moore years, it was as if they were putting all their energy into the PTSes, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the film.

    I feel that about Mendes...

    ...and the opposite about the Glen Moore films
    FYEO - St Georges sinking, Citroen chase, underwater scene, ski chase, climb at monastery, any Columbo scene
    OP - Auction, 009 death, Tuk Tuk, train fight, circus scene, fight at monsoon palace, fight on top of plane, car chase, backgammon scene, love or hate jungle sequence
    AVTAK - Ok this film is tired all the way through.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    4EverBonded wrote: »

    I love this! The idea that the late, great Richard Burton went to see King Connery in such a daft (yet incredibly funny) James Bond film!

    GF
    TB

    TSWLM

    MR
    OP
    FRWL

    DAF
    FYEO
    AVTAK
    YOLT
    TMWTGG
    LALD
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,219
    Quite a lot of them to rank. I think TB is my favourite with that incredible soundtrack, the great fisticuffs, the iconic jetpack and the even more iconic DB5. That being said TMWTGG is heavily underrated in my book. The whole manhunt in the funhouse is suitably eerie.

    1. TB
    2. TMWTGG
    3. FRWL
    4. OP
    5. GF
    6. AVTAK
    7. FYEO
    8. TSWLM
    9. MR
    10. YOLT
    11. DAF
    12. LALD

    I think LALD is my least favourite of the series. Luckily the rest of the film is a blast from that great M scene onwards.

  • hegottheboot_hegottheboot_ USA
    Posts: 113
    If just between these alone I'd probably go something like this:

    GF
    TB
    FRWL
    TSWLM
    YOLT
    MR
    LALD
    TMWTGG
    FYEO
    AVTAK
    OP
    DAF

    I adore all of them and like that Mankiewicz tried to liven them up some with humor and to not be the same thing over and over. But DAF has the least dramatic stakes and the fight staging in the mud room is the worst in the entire original series. It was so much of a OH MY GOD HE'S BACK bit and the best parts are the dark humor.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred
    edited March 2019 Posts: 1,399
    This is a tough one!

    Goldfinger
    TMWTGG
    TSWLM
    DAF
    Thunderball
    Moonraker
    AVTAK
    LALD
    FRWL
    Octopussy
    YOLT
    FYEO
    NSNA

    I may have to edit this with comments after more thought!
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    1. TSWLM
    2. TB
    3. MR
    4. GF
    5. FRWL
    6. AVTAK
    7. FYEO
    8. OP
    9. TMWTGG
    10. LALD
    11. YOLT
    12. DAF

    I don't rank NSNA. I watched it only around 3 times... EON forever

  • AleanderAleander Kavala, Greece
    Posts: 33
    Yeah, God forbid you include NSNA, something might happen, like the heavens fall or something. Anyway... Ranking them from best to worst:

    GF
    FRWL
    NSNA
    TSWLM
    FYEO
    TB
    MR
    OP
    AVTAK
    DAF
    YOLT
    TMWTGG - why does Scaramanga have life-sized mannequins of Bond? Who made them?
    LALD - Its not bad, just unspectacular

    Often, Moore's PTS would be better than the main movie itself. TSWLM (I know what you're thinking, but minus points for Moore's unconvincing close-ups), MR (minus points for the pointless Jaws appearence) and OP (minus points for the horse's arse) in particular are rather exciting affairs, whereas the main body is often dull or uninspired. TMWTGG and LALD also don't feature Bond at all, which automatically brings them down for me. And while both FRWL and NSNA are high for me because of the fake promise of Bond dying, YOLT falls spectacularly later because Gilbert shot the scene rather flatly and Connery is mentally not there to begin with. It should be shocking, but oddly feels telegraphed in advanced. This would never have happened with Young and Connery just two years before then. And GF... well, its the ultimate PTS, isn't it?

    DAF is odd. The PTS would've been fine if Blofeld died right there and then. Instead, the rest of the film follows, and it completely diminishes the PTS and also the writing itself makes it impossible as well to settle the film as a sequel to OHMSS, which it definitely isn't. So, it has fall in the latter category.

    And I would've probably placed FYEO higher, if Moore's Bond hadn't been so glib about Blofeld's demise. I'm fine with the scene as is, but to make Blofeld such a complete joke was just a tad much. Didn't have to be super dramatic either, but... Still love it, though.
  • ChrisMC36SSRChrisMC36SSR
    Posts: 133
    1. TSWLM
    2. TMWTGG
    3. GF
    4. FRWL
    5. TB
    6. OP
    7. FYEO
    8. NSNA
    9. DAF
    10. MR
    11. LALD
    12. AVTAK
    13. YOLT
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,085
    1. Goldfinger (The Daddy of PTS's!)
    2. From Russia With Love (Clever and cool)
    3. Thunderball (Great fight. Not so much the jetpack)
    4. The Spy Who Loved Me (Amazing)
    5. Octopussy (exciting and technically superb)
    6. Never Say Never Again (Always loved this sequence)
    7. Moonraker (Amazing stuntwork. Shame about Jaws)
    8. For Your Eyes Only (Good sequence marred by the Blofeld mimic)
    9. Diamonds Are Forever (Good fun if slightly stupid)
    10. A View To A Kill (Not bad except for 'California Girls')
    11. You Only Live Twice (Pretty dull considering what had come before)
    12. Live And Let Die (No Bond and little excitement)
    13. The Man With The Golden Gun (Naff)
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,624
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    1. Goldfinger (The Daddy of PTS's!)
    2. From Russia With Love (Clever and cool)
    3. Thunderball (Great fight. Not so much the jetpack)
    4. The Spy Who Loved Me (Amazing)
    5. Octopussy (exciting and technically superb)
    6. Never Say Never Again (Always loved this sequence)
    7. Moonraker (Amazing stuntwork. Shame about Jaws)
    8. For Your Eyes Only (Good sequence marred by the Blofeld mimic)
    9. Diamonds Are Forever (Good fun if slightly stupid)
    10. A View To A Kill (Not bad except for 'California Girls')
    11. You Only Live Twice (Pretty dull considering what had come before)
    12. Live And Let Die (No Bond and little excitement)
    13. The Man With The Golden Gun (Naff)

    Just curious Leonardpine, TSWLM, the ski stunt IS amazing, but the rest of it is a bore?
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