Should we get a new M / Q / Moneypenny for BOND 26 and beyond ?

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited August 20 Posts: 3,152
    Dan's already auditioned:

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    peter wrote: »
    M: Gordon Ramsay
    Q: Rowan Atkinson
    MP: Daniel Craig

    I'd be on board to see this.

    Only if Blofeld is portrayed by Ed Sheeran.
  • Vinther1991Vinther1991 Denmark
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    Continue with Rory Kinnear as Tanner, Naomie Harris as Moneypenny and Ben Whishaw as Q, because I do not give a flying rats a** about continuity between Bond films, the films have always been worse when they pretend they do. Kinnear, Harris and Whishaw were all really good in their roles and still feel new and fresh in the roles to me. Just ignore the events of the previous films and carry on. Now Ralph Fiennes was always miscast in my opinion, he was fine as Mallory in Skyfall, but since then he hasn't worked. Recast him.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited August 20 Posts: 556
    I think the problem is they've been hell-bent on making him a villain when he's been clear that wasn't what he signed up to do. I still don't understand the friction between M and Bond in Spectre, I guess it's a leftover from when they tried to make him a turncoat.

    I wish they would've gave him a chance to play an M who Bond just respects instead of always trying to cast Bond as a Rebel.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I think the problem is they've been hell-bent on making him a villain when he's been clear that wasn't what he signed up to do. I still don't understand the friction between M and Bond in Spectre, I guess it's a leftover from when they tried to make him a turncoat.

    I wish they would've gave him a chance to play an M who Bond just respects instead of always trying to cast Bond as a Rebel.

    Yes, please. This whole friction between Bond and M has to take a break. I feel that Ralph Fiennes deserves a chance to be Sir Miles. Plus, sometimes I think EON was just as basis with Judi Dench as they were with Daniel Craig. I feel that SF was more of a tribute to Judi Dench then to her time as M. Enough with the "he's the best, but I'll never tell him" crap.
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    I think we're going to see a new actor in each role. Of course, I've also said we should have Bond die in each film coming up, with new actors each time, until it gets to the point of being a surprise if he survives. This way, many more actors get to make their mark, in films of various styles and tones. And each one will have given it his all !...You know, the more I write this joke the more I like it, actually...but, yeah, new actor in each role.
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    Somehow I think they're going to keep Ralph Fiennes. For the others, I'm not sure.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    I think Glen Powell would make a great Felix Leiter.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Somehow I think they're going to keep Ralph Fiennes. For the others, I'm not sure.

    I hope so. There are still new directions to take his M. Not just tensions with Bond and others. Or making him a possible villain. Sir Miles next time, please. If Judi Dench is allowed to do it in a reboot so should Ralph Fiennes.
    I think Glen Powell would make a great Felix Leiter.

    Glen Powell would be a great Felix. I think he might be too big of a name for EON, though. He's probably honestly getting bigger, if all goes right for him.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I hope most of these roles are fleshed out by not-so-big character actors so there's no need for them to hog any spotlight with unnecessarily beefier roles. That was one of the weaker elements for me in the Craig era when they finally brought them all back.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    I like Glen because he's pretty much what Fleming envisioned: Texan, thin, tall, about 35 years old, "a mop of straw-coloured hair lent his face a boyish look which closer examination contradicted"
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I hope most of these roles are fleshed out by not-so-big character actors so there's no need for them to hog any spotlight with unnecessarily beefier roles. That was one of the weaker elements for me in the Craig era when they finally brought them all back.

    I hope so too. For Q and Moneypenny, I think it will be the case. For M, my gut feeling (for what it's worth) is telling me they'll keep Fiennes.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited September 1 Posts: 6,296
    007HallY wrote: »
    If we're going to have a Q, I think they should be different from Llewelyn or Wishaw. What made Wishaw's version of the character so refreshing was that he was younger - a bit of a geek, but ultimately a reliable ally willing to help Bond. Llewyeln's Q in the early Connery films was a sort of uptight school teacher constantly tetchy with Bond, but over time as he got older became an eccentric tinkerer (again, one willing to help Bond on occasion).

    Cleese I guess did a sort of phoned in comedic relief thing for TWINE (which was a bit lame), and a sort of more sarcastic but competent version of Q in DAD (which worked better, although lacked Llewelyn's warmth).

    It's why I can see the appeal of a female Q. Not sure what exactly they'd do with it though (the most obvious angle is akin to Shuri from Black Panther - younger, confident, humorous, very much that tinkerer type that Lewleyln's Q was in spirit). Not even sure who they'd cast.

    I think it would be interesting if they had a younger female Q, maybe an Asian actress. But then the question becomes what to do with Moneypenny. You could go the male assistant route they did in CR, which worked.

    But I still think a sizable portion of the audience would be like, "Where's Moneypenny?" You can update her role like SF did, but the audience might still be looking for the person outside M's office. Maybe she's some sort of political appointee who over the course of her first film forges an alliance with M and decides to work with him as a civil servant instead? (I'm not sure if that would work; I don't have a great understanding of the British government.)

    Or they could combine Q and Moneypenny into one character.
  • edited September 1 Posts: 4,139
    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    If we're going to have a Q, I think they should be different from Llewelyn or Wishaw. What made Wishaw's version of the character so refreshing was that he was younger - a bit of a geek, but ultimately a reliable ally willing to help Bond. Llewyeln's Q in the early Connery films was a sort of uptight school teacher constantly tetchy with Bond, but over time as he got older became an eccentric tinkerer (again, one willing to help Bond on occasion).

    Cleese I guess did a sort of phoned in comedic relief thing for TWINE (which was a bit lame), and a sort of more sarcastic but competent version of Q in DAD (which worked better, although lacked Llewelyn's warmth).

    It's why I can see the appeal of a female Q. Not sure what exactly they'd do with it though (the most obvious angle is akin to Shuri from Black Panther - younger, confident, humorous, very much that tinkerer type that Lewleyln's Q was in spirit). Not even sure who they'd cast.

    I think it would be interesting if they had a younger female Q, maybe an Asian actress. But then the question becomes what to do with Moneypenny. You could go the male assistant route they did in CR, which worked.

    But I still think a sizable portion of the audience would be like, "Where's Moneypenny?" You can update her role like SF did, but the audience might still be looking for the person outside M's office. Maybe she's some sort of political appointee who over the course of her first film forges an alliance with M and decides to work with him as a civil servant instead? (I'm not sure if that would work; I don't have a great understanding of the British government.)

    Or they could combine Q and Moneypenny into one character.

    I think they'd just have a female Q and a Moneypenny. Make the Q/Bond relationship much more platonic and keep the good natured flirting/chemistry between Moneypenny and Bond. Essentially just make sure they're different and well defined characters.
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    They are separate characters not suitable for combining. Moneypenny is the assistant to M, who has top rank and would DEFINITELY get to work with an Assistant dedicated to the task. Q is the Quartermaster - in charge of weapons and other devices, including R&D for those items. Those responsibilities take all the Quartermaster's time. They would not be available also to serve as an assistant to anyone.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Since62 wrote: »
    They are separate characters not suitable for combining. Moneypenny is the assistant to M, who has top rank and would DEFINITELY get to work with an Assistant dedicated to the task. Q is the Quartermaster - in charge of weapons and other devices, including R&D for those items. Those responsibilities take all the Quartermaster's time. They would not be available also to serve as an assistant to anyone.

    Yes, let’s not combine characters together, please. As much as a lot of us want the MI6 regulars to have less screen time, that’s not the way to do it. It’ll be interesting to see what EON will do with the MI6 regulars now.
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    I'm sure I've said this already, but I'd prefer all three to stay. I think having an older Moneypenny could be interesting and bring a different dynamic, similar to what a younger Q did.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I've said this before but I'd be interested in having a Q whose the same age as Bond, explore a more brotherly dynamic.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    It's beginning to feel like EON forget they would need Fiennes, Whishaw, Harris and Kinnear to help usher in Bond 7, when they decided to kill off Bond. Honestly, I think they forgot. Now for the sake of Bond 7, they sadly can't return.
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    It's beginning to feel like EON forget they would need Fiennes, Whishaw, Harris and Kinnear to help usher in Bond 7, when they decided to kill off Bond. Honestly, I think they forgot. Now for the sake of Bond 7, they sadly can't return.

    To be fair I think it was becoming apparent that all of them had other stuff going on outside of Bond. I'm not sure how committed Kinnear and Wishaw were to returning after Craig's run anyway (I know Fiennes seems up for it, as well as Harris, but I don't think either are going to lose any sleep over not doing so).
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited September 2 Posts: 2,016
    007HallY wrote: »
    It's beginning to feel like EON forget they would need Fiennes, Whishaw, Harris and Kinnear to help usher in Bond 7, when they decided to kill off Bond. Honestly, I think they forgot. Now for the sake of Bond 7, they sadly can't return.

    To be fair I think it was becoming apparent that all of them had other stuff going on outside of Bond. I'm not sure how committed Kinnear and Wishaw were to returning after Craig's run anyway (I know Fiennes seems up for it, as well as Harris, but I don't think either are going to lose any sleep over not doing so).

    Yeah, sure. I don't necessarily mean them feeling like they're going to miss out. It's more of EON having slight regrets that they won't return, because of how things turned out with NTTD. Also, for me I would take Fiennes & Whishaw, if NTTD didn't end with Bond's death. I don't know if Daisy Ridley is too famous now, she would work as Moneypenny. Maybe Sam Claflin as Tanner, since his age isn't suitable for Bond anymore.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    It's beginning to feel like EON forget they would need Fiennes, Whishaw, Harris and Kinnear to help usher in Bond 7, when they decided to kill off Bond. Honestly, I think they forgot. Now for the sake of Bond 7, they sadly can't return.

    To be fair I think it was becoming apparent that all of them had other stuff going on outside of Bond. I'm not sure how committed Kinnear and Wishaw were to returning after Craig's run anyway (I know Fiennes seems up for it, as well as Harris, but I don't think either are going to lose any sleep over not doing so).

    Yeah, sure. I don't necessarily mean them feeling like they're going to miss out. It's more of EON having slight regrets that they won't return, because of how things turned out with NTTD. Also, for me I would take Fiennes & Whishaw, if NTTD didn't end with Bond's death. I don't know if Daisy Ridley is too famous now, she would work as Moneypenny. Maybe Sam Claflin as Tanner, since his age isn't suitable for Bond anymore.

    I think it's just one of things. I guess none were contracted for more beyond Craig's run anyway, and none are Desmond Llewellyn types at the end of their careers/necessarily as willing to take that long running role.

    I'm going to guess Ridley's at a stage in her career where she's happier doing projects which interest her (I know Moneypenny isn't exactly a starring role but it's a big commitment and I don't know if it's something she'd even want to do). Depends on what they want to do with Tanner, but I like Clafin as an actor.

    I dunno, I can see someone like Lucy Boynton as Moneypenny (very much a working actress who's recognisable at least to certain audiences/circles, but not super famous either). Maybe someone like Kingsley Ben-Adir as Tanner.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    It's beginning to feel like EON forget they would need Fiennes, Whishaw, Harris and Kinnear to help usher in Bond 7, when they decided to kill off Bond. Honestly, I think they forgot. Now for the sake of Bond 7, they sadly can't return.

    To be fair I think it was becoming apparent that all of them had other stuff going on outside of Bond. I'm not sure how committed Kinnear and Wishaw were to returning after Craig's run anyway (I know Fiennes seems up for it, as well as Harris, but I don't think either are going to lose any sleep over not doing so).

    Yeah, sure. I don't necessarily mean them feeling like they're going to miss out. It's more of EON having slight regrets that they won't return, because of how things turned out with NTTD. Also, for me I would take Fiennes & Whishaw, if NTTD didn't end with Bond's death. I don't know if Daisy Ridley is too famous now, she would work as Moneypenny. Maybe Sam Claflin as Tanner, since his age isn't suitable for Bond anymore.

    I think it's just one of things. I guess none were contracted for more beyond Craig's run anyway, and none are Desmond Llewellyn types at the end of their careers/necessarily as willing to take that long running role.

    I'm going to guess Ridley's at a stage in her career where she's happier doing projects which interest her (I know Moneypenny isn't exactly a starring role but it's a big commitment and I don't know if it's something she'd even want to do). Depends on what they want to do with Tanner, but I like Clafin as an actor.

    I dunno, I can see someone like Lucy Boynton as Moneypenny (very much a working actress who's recognisable at least to certain audiences/circles, but not super famous either). Maybe someone like Kingsley Ben-Adir as Tanner.

    Yeah. Oh, good choices. Boynton, in particular.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Yeah, Boynton was the best part of the Ipcress File tv adaptation, and Ben-Adir I've liked in a bunch of things.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited September 13 Posts: 556
    The new Q? Nicholas Lyndhurst?



  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited September 13 Posts: 6,296
    I'm sure she's been suggested, but watching Slow Horses season 4, Kristin Scott Thomas would be a cracking M. Or Gillian Anderson.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited September 14 Posts: 2,016
    Yeah, Gillian Anderson would be good, but she's already done it in Johnny English, I feel.
    I think James McAvoy would be a good M too.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    While I would personally love an M Bond dynamic like we had with Connery and Lee, I don't see it happening.

    Societal norms seems to be that bosses are to be mistrusted. That a boss is "The Man" and as such needs to be not treated with any loyalty but with a rebel feeling. I think people view someone who stands up to their boss as a kiss ass.

    When I look at the Brosnan and Dench dynamic. It was interesting at the start that M didn't like Bond since he went with his gut and M went with her statistics and numbers. I really wish they had continued on this tack a bit and that they would both see their error and start to realize that they were both right. Instead by TND M seemed to be totally in Bond's corner. Did the GE adventure somehow convince her to not trust her statistics?

    Bond and M at the start of the Craig era was a bit that he was in charge. Breaks into her house, her computer. Needs to be tagged since M doesn't trust him fully. Yet she is the one who promoted him? It all seemed non-sensical.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 15 Posts: 3,152
    Wasn't M telling CraigBond that 'I knew it was too early to promote you' just an attempt at mindgames? To make him try to prove to her that it wasn't too early?
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited September 15 Posts: 556
    thedove wrote: »
    While I would personally love an M Bond dynamic like we had with Connery and Lee, I don't see it happening.

    Societal norms seems to be that bosses are to be mistrusted. That a boss is "The Man" and as such needs to be not treated with any loyalty but with a rebel feeling. I think people view someone who stands up to their boss as a kiss ass.

    When I look at the Brosnan and Dench dynamic. It was interesting at the start that M didn't like Bond since he went with his gut and M went with her statistics and numbers. I really wish they had continued on this tack a bit and that they would both see their error and start to realize that they were both right. Instead by TND M seemed to be totally in Bond's corner. Did the GE adventure somehow convince her to not trust her statistics?

    Bond and M at the start of the Craig era was a bit that he was in charge. Breaks into her house, her computer. Needs to be tagged since M doesn't trust him fully. Yet she is the one who promoted him? It all seemed non-sensical.

    I can assure you that contrary to the garbage, unhealthy media, the vast majority of people have good relationship with their bosses.

    It's no secret that media loves conflict and wants to promote that for eyeballs.
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