New interview with Logan

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Germanlady wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    I agree with Shark that DAF is probably the greatest script in the entire series. It's just a fantastic script, one of the most quotable Bond film. And I also agree that Moore in TMWTGG was closer to Fleming's Bond than Craig in either his movies.


    Sorry, just split my sides laughing. I accept your dislike for Mr Craig (totally disagree but each to their own) but to say that DAF is the greatest script is surely inviting ridicule.

    That's his way - he tried that on CBN and they voted him out. Might happen here, too. We'll see...its up to the people here...

    @Germanlady You cannot be sure that MI6 member DaltonCraig007 is the same person as the CBN member you referred to. Please refrain from further accusations like these, unless you can provide indisputable evidence. Thank you.

  • edited November 2011 Posts: 11,119
    HASEROT wrote:
    HASEROT wrote:
    If you read carefully, I didn't say anything basically. I just highlighted a quote from John Logan. So I do not understand why I am 'grasping at straws'. And to be honest, isn't it infectious to see a nerdy screenplay writer like John Logan working on 'Skyfall'? I actually like it. I can recall an interview with Michael G. Wilson from 1999, released shortly after TWINE. In that interview he admitted: "You actually have to be a fanatic, a nerd, to create the uttermost best Bond film."

    don't play dumb with me sir.....

    you were the one making a big deal about Blofeld returning.. and your little "AHA!" comment again gave you out that you were trying to prove that point - unless of course you had an 80s flashback which i highly doubt...

    Blofeld isn't returning - let me say that again, so it can sink in a little...

    Blofeld...

    Who's rights still belong to McClory's estate...

    ...which means they cannot be used without consent or purchase, upon threat of legal rammifcations..

    ...IS NOT COMING BACK!

    the end

    First of all: You are wrong about the rights EON have. According to my post in here, http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/comment/48009#Comment_48009 , EON officially possesses now rights to ALL Bond and Fleming related characters. I suggest you read this post carefully.

    Secondly, don't call me....sir. I am a normal bloke. And there is no reason to patronize me like that.

    No I am not wrong....

    Videogame rights, based off preexisting Bond material might be, and are totally different than film rights, licensed to new creative properties or content.... of course past Blofeld and SPECTRE material are usable - if they weren't, then he would have to stricken from the previous films - wiped clean if you will - unless a huge royalties payment was to be made...

    as I myself stated before, but you probably conveniently glossed over - using the likeness of a character, and playable option - strictly in a multiplayer shooter, is a lot different than using the character as the main enemy of the story (which is why the 2005 game FRWL had to use OCTOPUS instead of SPECTRE) - enough was changed with the story and content that it was quite possible it could've been looked at as new creative entity - not based 100% off the film, which would mean that EON and EA could not legally use those copyrighted names..

    the lawsuit wasn't filed - and the won by McClory, until after DAF... once he won the rights to the character, name, and to (essentially) the script of Thunderball - thats when he began in haste to work on what would eventually become NSNA... by winning that lawsuit, Blofeld and SPECTRE are no longer considered Fleming property, or related characters - they are in sole possession of McClory - and now his estate

    i've tried to look it up sir, and found nothing - i suggest you do the same........ the filming rights and properties to Blofeld and SPECTRE still reside with the McClory estate

    Easy easy mister. You almost sound....angry. I try to be careful as well. You are right. Blofeld and SPECTRE are no longer Fleming property. But how do YOU know Blofeld and SPECTRE have not become EON property over the past years?

    Your example about the videogame as being it a personal shooter or a story-based videogame is not sufficient, in that it does not say for which purpose the characters Blofeld and SPECTRE can be used without royalties to McGlory (estate) and for which purpose not. As far as I know, McGlory didn't want other people to use Blofeld and SPECTRE....AT ALL.

    There is still the legal statement I have mentioned before: "GoldenEye 007: Reloaded © 2011 Danjaq, LLC and United Artists Corporation. 007 and related James Bond trademarks © 1962-2011 Danjaq, LLC and United Artists Corporation. 007 TM and related James Bond trademarks are trademarks of Danjaq, LLC licensed by EON. All Rights Reserved. Game Code © 2011 Activision Publishing, Inc. Activision is a registered trademark of Activision Publishing, Inc."


    <b>Now, step by step some arguments based on the above</b>:

    <b>1)</b> Focus on the words 'related James Bond trademarks'. You, me, everyone in here do not know for certain IF EON <B>silently</B> bought the rights for the names 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' back from McGlory's children. Also, we do not know what Sony's role is (Remember, thanks to Sony acquiring Columbia, it was finally possible to produce a worthy version of 'Casino Royale').

    <b>2)</b> The lawsuit from the 1960's (Approved in favour of McGlory, in which his name should be credited and for which McGlory should be paid, IF EON starts using 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE') do not specify AT ALL that there should be made a difference between a 'good storyline/plot' or a 'personal shooter' game. For the very simple reason, that in those days videogames did not exist. So that argument is bullocks.

    <b>3)</b> Why the hell would EON risk using the names 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' in the new videogame 'GoldenEye 007: Reloaded', when in 'FRWL' they agreed on using 'Octopus' instead? Both Wilson and Babs Broccoli, together with son David, are involved in the videogame-franchise as well. They functioned as consultants for both ActiVision and EuroCom. If the producers of 'FYEO' were so keen in showing the audience that Bond does not need Blofeld and SPECTRE, why bring those two names back?

    <b>4)</b> Off course legal expert Michael G. Wilson knows he is in a good position to win future lawsuits, IF his goal is creating a legal precedent (We all know MGM/UA and EON won the August 30th 2001 lawsuit that McGlory filed against them). But everyone knows the mere risk of facing a lawsuit is always costly.

    <b>5)</b> Perhaps EON and the estate of Kevin McGlory settled on something, in that McGlory's name will be credited one more time in the new Bond film + a nice, but not too high amount of royalty for McGlory's kids. I actually think the kids would be very satisfied with that. A nice gesture IMO.

    <b>6)</b> And Kevin McGlory himself is dead, finished, period. He cannot produce a film with the names 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' anymore. This creates some new, easier and moreover <b>cheaper</b> possibilities as well to produce 'Skyfall' with 'SPECTRE' and 'Blofeld'.

    <b>7)</b> And then there still is John Logan's remark earlier this year that "Bond should always fight Blofeld". You cannot be for sure that Logan will use the bald-headed villain. But you can also not rule out the possibility.

    <b>8)</b> Maybe that's why during the press conference the producers and Mendes specifically mentioned that this new film is "not based on previous Fleming work", leaving the possibility that McGlory will silently be credited for 'Skyfall'.


    <b>My point</b>: You don't know for certain, I don't know for certain. Perhaps 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' will not return. But you also can't rule out that possibility. Let's just wait and see.

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