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This thread is getting infuriating - especially when people are wading in with opinions without keeping up to date with clapperboards.
Let's break it down simply:
The end.
There really isn't an argument to be had here. This isn't a matter of opinion - yes, some speculation is involved - but predominately this is based on fact.
Nope.
They were relaxing on their day off on the beach. Not shooting.
Here's some facts for you:
The scene 78 clapperboard filmed in Port Antonio is doubling for Cuba, since they for a fact were hiring "cuban looking extras" for these scenes.
So we don't have any clapperboards from the Jamaica-scenes. Another fact, btw.
Exactly. I don’t recall seeing any clappers for Jamaica.
Are we sure? Because...
Thank you. Elucidated.
I made this collage a few months back @RC7 from the Jamaica shoot. There was a clapperboard, but wisely covered :-P:
The guy who owns the beach club told me filming took place there. Plus Marina dei Ginepri is a location Sassilive spoke since March. Plain and simple.
Let's hope so. Another beautiful location.
This is just speculation and I'm not sure about it. The Norway scene is 100% linked to the main villain plot - even maybe establishing a connection with Swann - and that's for sure, BUT I find more reasonable the idea that the lake scene is just a part of a bigger puzzle and not the exact event that set in motion the story. We'll see. My instinct tells me that scene comes from Swann past/memories. Fukunaga always dealt in his movies with children trauma. Plus Fukunaga's filmography proves he really likes playing with time in his films.
EDIT: From the other thread:
The first 30-40 mins of the film - i.e Norway and Matera, take place in the past as that is where the narrative starts. After the events of Matera, we fast forward 4-5 years and Bond is living alone in Jamaica. From there, he goes with Leiter to Cuba, then back to London to be reinstated, then finally Norway.
I've been saying this all day.
BTW, it was never confirmed that those Port Antonio scenes were doubling for Cuba. It's also highly doubtful, as Bond is seen wearing the same outfit - the Tommy Bahama shirt and Tom Ford jeans - in the nightclub scenes where he presumably meets Nomi. That outfit Nomi wears at the nightclub is the same outfit she wears when she visits Bond's house in Jamaica. Thus those scenes cannot be Cuba.
I think the structure sounds a mess.
Flash-forwarding 5 years after 45 minutes of story is sloppy. It smells like a streaming show and not like a concise and well-paced film.
It is absurd to make such wild statements when u have no idea what the story is and how it develops. What we do know is we have a very, very talented filmmaker at the helm, so just cool it.
The idea of a 20 minutes flashback after 25 minutes into the film is far worse.
Absurd indeed.
I can attest to that.
Can you show me how we know this? I asked above and got no reply. There’s nothing I’ve seen that suggests Jamaica is after Matera. Cuba, yes.
Jamaica - scene 81:
Everything we've seen from Matera are in the 30s to 50s.
I already explained my logic as to why those Port Antonio scenes are not Cuba.
Why would they be hiring cuban-looking extras, if not to portray Cuba?
These people don't look Cuban to me (at 0:19):
Also, would Bond really take his blue Land Rover all the way to Cuba? We see it again here, at 0:15, separate from Port Antonio:
Also, Bond meets Nomi at the nightclub with the same outfit he wears when meeting Felix in Port Antonio. Nomi is seen wearing her nightclub outfit while driving the moped to Bond's house, and subsequent scenes.
There's logic.
I guess that depends on your sense of logic, though.
This is the official synopsis -
“Bond has left active service and is enjoying a tranquil life in Jamaica. His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology."
I’m just struggling, logically, to see how Bond’s ‘tranquil life’ is playing out around an hour into the film.
Perhaps Jamaica does indeed feature post-Matera, as well as Cuba, but I remain unconvinced that it doesn’t also feature earlier.