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The movie will open in the frozen lake and scene 15 will likely be the last of the set piece. Then Matera will kick in. Scene 19 is Bond & Swann entering the hotel, so there must be some other scenes like in the car or in the streets prior to that.
Agreed! And I'd add, Bond believes Swann died there. Likely in the hotel room explosion.
Exactly. To me, it is entirely possible to open the film in Matera (say, scenes 1 - 12), then have the Madeleine flashback filmed in Norway (say scenes 13 -15), back to Matera (scenes 16-20), titles, and then continue from 20 - 50s in Matera.
Those numbers are just indications, but my point is: scene 15 in Norway doesn't necessarily mean any scene before that can't be Matera, and even some scenes after that can still be Matera and be the PTS.
The young girl in Norway is probably included in the PTS, but Norway does not need to be exclusively the PTS, without Matera getting in there too.
1) The PTS is the Madeleine flashback or whatever it is that they filmed back in March. Following this, we have the titles and then it's Bond & Madeleine in Matera. After the events of Matera, we fast forward five years and it's Bond on his own in Jamaica. From there it's Cuba, London, then Norway.
2) As @antovolk said, there's a brief, Pinewood-shot PTS, the titles, then it's the Norway sequence with young Madeleine, then the two of them in Matera and the rest that follows.
Personally, I think option 1 is the most likely. Perhaps the teaser trailer will give us a better hint of how the structure will look.
Maybe the PTS *is* Jamaica, more specifically the whole Felix approaching Bond thing...then cue titles and then a 'X years earlier' on the Matera sequence, catching us up to how and why Bond got to where he is (seemingly) alone in Jamaica
Agree with the first part being a possibility, but still struggling with the latter. One thing is for sure, nothings truly adds up. Which certainly keeps things interesting.
He’s staying at a hotel with her. There are multiple scenarios that could lead to that outcome. Are we even sure he’s living alone in Jamaica?
Let’s remember. None of us have all the answers, so let’s not pretend we do.
I guess that's my other theory - could be Bond and Madeleine in Jamaica instead of him on his own...I believe in that April press launch MGW even went so far as to say Bond is in 'wedded bliss'.
Yes. It’s not been confirmed he’s alone. He may well be, but we can’t write it off yet, I don’t think. As I said earlier, the synopsis suggests the mission becomes ‘more treacherous’ than first thought, which feels to me like something has drawn him in (perhaps the Vesper connection) and the fallout is that Madeleine (who he’s still with) becomes embroiled in a shit storm.
Another possibility (but it's one that's really weird and not very probable) is a Tarantino-timeline-style film, AKA the film is not in chronological order and jumps from scene to scene, from present to past and back. Then we could have Matera-Norway-Matera-titles-Jamaica-Matera-Cuba-Matera-London-Matera (for good measure)-Norway. If CJF really wants an artsy affair...
But I'm not putting any money on that.
“Bond is not on active service when we start the film, so he is actually enjoying himself, in Jamaica”.
I think the PTS and and matera piece will be wrapped up and done in 30-35 minutes and bond is in Jamaica with 2 hours of the film left still.
Let's say scene 55.
BTW what are u suggesting? Looks like Bond is in Jamaica alone. During the scenes in Jamaica he tries to seduce Nomi. He sails alone. He went to the club alone to meet Felix. Swann is not with him, based on what we know. Frozen lake is scene 15. Bond entering the balcony hotel is scene 19, so Matera directly follow that scene with the creepy masked man chasing the girl. Are u suggesting Jamaica happens in some form before all that? I know no one has definitive answers and we're just speculating, but Jamaica happening before the frozen lake and Matera is impossible. Bizarre at least.
Look. Sounds weird, I know. Kicking the main plot so late in the game. But, seems pretty clear that there's no room for Jamaica to fit into the narrative before the frozen lake set piece at this point. Plus, goin from Bond brought back into action by Felix in Jamaica directly to Cuba makes sense.
Well, sounds likely.
Let's say he's not. :D
What we saw today is exactly what Swann hinted when asking Bond about getting a life in the train scene before Hinx. To stop, to get a life with someone. To choose life (cit. Danny Boyle).
Too convoluted? Don't think so.
Me neither. Sounds pretty cool and quite reasonable. The frozen lake scene is quite difficult to figure out but I strongly believe Swann and Malek have a connection. She's the one visiting Blofeld in order to ask info about him. We also know she will be part of the Norway scenes at his mansion (filmed in both the Atlantic Road and Scotland). So that scene could be a set up for a connection being reprised later in the film. The big question is: is she the young girl? And then, IF they fake her death in Matera is she still in contact with Malek? I don't think so but Dali Bensallah looks like he's goin to play a kind of "henchman" for Malek and he's present in Matera. Exciting. We know a lot but in the end we know nothing.
He won’t be on active service in Matera regardless, it seems like he takes on the ‘kidnapped scientist’ gig on a personal level. Whether he’s genuinely on ‘active service’ at all, until way down the line, is debatable I think.
Yes it seems like this.
Not to the ludicrous levels that DAD went of course, but maybe as far as Dr. No went with ideas like robotic limbs. I don't think Malek will be playing Dr. No, however; I believe EON will have something more original in store for us.