Lashana Lynch as 007 and the Women of 'No Time to Die' (SPOILERS!)

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  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Go and have a beer, or wank or something, guys.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2019 Posts: 16,422
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    I'm sorry @peter, @Denbigh , I understand what you're saying and it makes sense, but I really hate this idea. :D

    It seems so remarkably arbitrary to me. It's not like '007' is his superhero alter ego or anything; it's purely the designation he gets at work. It doesn't define the character in any way.

    And why would it be wrong if Bond wouldn't be 007 in the movie and Lashana Lynch would have been 008? :)

    Then you've lost the dramatic irony and the gag.

    It's like saying 'why couldn't Silva have blown up someone else's Aston Martin in Skyfall?'. The point was that it's Bond's Aston Martin!

    Now, I love that Aston; but I'm not complaining that they did it. By all means blow it up because it makes for a better scene, and it gets a reaction from Bond (and indeed me, as a viewer). Maybe the car lover and Bond fan in me would have preferred to see his neighbour's sportscar get blown up rather than that one, but I know that it makes the film better for it to destroy the car I like.

    So for you to feel a reaction to someone else being 007 is good, because you'll be sharing Bond's feelings when he finds out, and that makes it a more interesting and involving film experience. If she had been 008 you'd feel absolutely nothing.

    Wise words @mtm.

    That said checking the media I'm appalled by both the hostility of some people regarding Nomi being 007 as the enthusiasm of others. Both sides are cruelly misinformed.

    Yeah, much as I agree about the ridiculous hostility, I don't think it's anything to get too enthusiastic about because I don't really register it as anything important. We've had tough female secret agents before in Bond, that she's got this particular code name I don't think makes it particularly more significant. It's just a fictional code name and will never stop the hero being called James Bond 007.

    Apparently there was a scene trimmed out of World Is Not Enough where Moneypenny drove Bond's DB5 because he had his shoulder injury. I wonder if everyone would have been leaping around as if their manhoods had been chopped off if that stayed in the film. To me it's just as unimportant.
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 19,339
    mtm wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    God I hope not...that would put me off going to see the film for sure.
    I would probably rent it on SKY when it comes out,to see if I can tolerate it before I think about buying it.

    They almost did it after DAD, remember? The character Jinx was all set up to be in a spin-off series, strong black woman and all.

    Yep...but not as 007....THATS the problem.

    How dare you give yourself the nickname 'barry007'! Didn't you know that only James Bond can call himself 007?! I'm going to boycott you!
    ;)

    Hahaha smart arse ;)
    RC7 wrote: »
    Go and have a beer, or wank or something, guys.

    If you are clever you can do both at the same time,if you can multi-task he he .
  • Posts: 4,044
    barryt007 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    God I hope not...that would put me off going to see the film for sure.
    I would probably rent it on SKY when it comes out,to see if I can tolerate it before I think about buying it.

    They almost did it after DAD, remember? The character Jinx was all set up to be in a spin-off series, strong black woman and all.

    Yep...but not as 007....THATS the problem.

    How dare you give yourself the nickname 'barry007'! Didn't you know that only James Bond can call himself 007?! I'm going to boycott you!
    ;)

    Hahaha smart arse ;)
    RC7 wrote: »
    Go and have a beer, or wank or something, guys.

    If you are clever you can do both at the same time,if you can multi-task he he .

    Causes an awkward scene in the pub though.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    Posts: 5,185
    RC7 wrote: »
    Go and have a beer, or wank or something, guys.

    +1
    I was going to write a long elaborate post about what the core identity of the Bond franchise is, and why EoN - as primarily business people - will not kill their golden goose by changing the core values, but...
    Your post capures so much better what i really wanted to say...
  • Posts: 12,837
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    I agree she won't lose it. Disagree that she'll get a spinoff. BB and MGW aren't stupid. They know who the star of the show is.

    I think Bond will die or retire for good at the end and she'll continue on as 007, but it'll be like JGL taking over as Batman. Won't actually have an impact on future films. They'll just reboot with the next guy.

    That's why I don't get why people are getting so worked up over this. It's a fun, different idea they're running with for one movie. Not the end of the world or the status quo changing. They'll never stop making James Bond 007 films in any of our lifetimes.
  • Posts: 19,339
    vzok wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    God I hope not...that would put me off going to see the film for sure.
    I would probably rent it on SKY when it comes out,to see if I can tolerate it before I think about buying it.

    They almost did it after DAD, remember? The character Jinx was all set up to be in a spin-off series, strong black woman and all.

    Yep...but not as 007....THATS the problem.

    How dare you give yourself the nickname 'barry007'! Didn't you know that only James Bond can call himself 007?! I'm going to boycott you!
    ;)

    Hahaha smart arse ;)
    RC7 wrote: »
    Go and have a beer, or wank or something, guys.

    If you are clever you can do both at the same time,if you can multi-task he he .

    Causes an awkward scene in the pub though.

    True....mind you most pubs are full of wa***ers nowadays .
  • infoviseinfovise Ireland
    Posts: 114
    With the rate Bond films come out these days I hope they don't do a Nomi spinoff because it would probably mean that we will be left waiting longer for the next Bond film. I don't want another near five year gap.
  • Posts: 1,092
    mtm wrote: »
    Didn't bond got his 007 status in Casino Royale by doing some actual work, he earned it right . Will she get her 007 status by doing some actual work or just because the position is available.

    Because you think she's just getting handed it because of her race/gender and not on merit, and us honest, hard-workin' white men are getting the rough end of the stick nowadays?

    Within the bounds of affirmative action, minorities receive their positions due to their race and not merit.
  • Posts: 1,092
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    I agree she won't lose it. Disagree that she'll get a spinoff. BB and MGW aren't stupid. They know who the star of the show is.

    I think Bond will die or retire for good at the end and she'll continue on as 007, but it'll be like JGL taking over as Batman. Won't actually have an impact on future films. They'll just reboot with the next guy.

    That's why I don't get why people are getting so worked up over this. It's a fun, different idea they're running with for one movie. Not the end of the world or the status quo changing. They'll never stop making James Bond 007 films in any of our lifetimes.

    Maybe not but they WILL change the gender/race of the character at some point. All evidence points to this change coming soon. They will bend the knee to the PC police and wokeness of our modern world.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2019 Posts: 16,422
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Didn't bond got his 007 status in Casino Royale by doing some actual work, he earned it right . Will she get her 007 status by doing some actual work or just because the position is available.

    Because you think she's just getting handed it because of her race/gender and not on merit, and us honest, hard-workin' white men are getting the rough end of the stick nowadays?

    Within the bounds of affirmative action, minorities receive their positions due to their race and not merit.

    Marvellous: thanks for confirming what we were all thinking about you ;)
  • Posts: 1,092
    mtm wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Didn't bond got his 007 status in Casino Royale by doing some actual work, he earned it right . Will she get her 007 status by doing some actual work or just because the position is available.

    Because you think she's just getting handed it because of her race/gender and not on merit, and us honest, hard-workin' white men are getting the rough end of the stick nowadays?

    Within the bounds of affirmative action, minorities receive their positions due to their race and not merit.

    Marvellous: thanks for confirming what we were thinking about you ;)

    Is that not true? Does AA not consider race to be the deciding factor when viewing candidates for a job?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,422
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Didn't bond got his 007 status in Casino Royale by doing some actual work, he earned it right . Will she get her 007 status by doing some actual work or just because the position is available.

    Because you think she's just getting handed it because of her race/gender and not on merit, and us honest, hard-workin' white men are getting the rough end of the stick nowadays?

    Within the bounds of affirmative action, minorities receive their positions due to their race and not merit.

    Marvellous: thanks for confirming what we were thinking about you ;)

    Is that not true? Does AA not consider race to be the deciding factor when viewing candidates for a job?

    I think they're more interested in whether you can fix a car or not.
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 6,709
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    I agree she won't lose it. Disagree that she'll get a spinoff. BB and MGW aren't stupid. They know who the star of the show is.

    I think Bond will die or retire for good at the end and she'll continue on as 007, but it'll be like JGL taking over as Batman. Won't actually have an impact on future films. They'll just reboot with the next guy.

    That's why I don't get why people are getting so worked up over this. It's a fun, different idea they're running with for one movie. Not the end of the world or the status quo changing. They'll never stop making James Bond 007 films in any of our lifetimes.

    Maybe not but they WILL change the gender/race of the character at some point. All evidence points to this change coming soon. They will bend the knee to the PC police and wokeness of our modern world.

    No they don't. Jeez, you're a real negativist downer. Also, it seems you really want to shake things up around here, don't you? Relax, man.

    the-sky-is-falling-gif.gif

    I know most of these reactions come from fear, but cmon, we're better than that. We'll not loose our beloved character or franchise in any way. It will not become unrecognisable. Ever. Now chill. Take a pill. Get real.
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 4,409
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    I'm down for this.

    I wouldn’t hate this. In fact, I kinda want this to happen. Then in a few years, we can ‘reboot’ the series after a trilogy of Nomi/007 movies.

    However…….this is VERY dependent on how Lynch fares in Bond 25. Currently we are getting way ahead of ourselves.

    Also if this were to pan out, then a Nomi movie should be very different to a Bond movie. Hence why I think Nomi is better suited to streaming.

    I really hope she has a look similar to this in the film.she feels pretty amazing here:
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  • edited July 2019 Posts: 6,709
    No, I would never want that. Why would they want to do that? For whom? Not for fans, I'm sure. I know, I know, you're talking about the number. But in this instance, it's piggybacking a character they should be focused on. They've got The Rhythm Section to cater to that audience.

    Honestly, if you press this on more and more, you'll only get more idiotic reactions like the ones we've been reading.

    It seems there are two sides here that are very keen to stir the pot the best they can.

    Just chill. And wait for the James Bond movie that's being made right as we speak.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    God xome of you are such idiots. I'm all for opinions but when they're this ridiculous all I can do is laugh at you.
  • Posts: 6,709
    Denbigh wrote: »
    God xome of you are such idiots. I'm all for opinions but when they're this ridiculous all I can do is laugh at you.

    Right?

    Laugh or cry ;)
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 1,092
    Univex wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    I agree she won't lose it. Disagree that she'll get a spinoff. BB and MGW aren't stupid. They know who the star of the show is.

    I think Bond will die or retire for good at the end and she'll continue on as 007, but it'll be like JGL taking over as Batman. Won't actually have an impact on future films. They'll just reboot with the next guy.

    That's why I don't get why people are getting so worked up over this. It's a fun, different idea they're running with for one movie. Not the end of the world or the status quo changing. They'll never stop making James Bond 007 films in any of our lifetimes.

    Maybe not but they WILL change the gender/race of the character at some point. All evidence points to this change coming soon. They will bend the knee to the PC police and wokeness of our modern world.

    No they don't. Jeez, you're a real negativist downer. Also, it seems you really want to shake things up around here, don't you? Relax, man.

    the-sky-is-falling-gif.gif

    I know most of these reactions come from fear, but cmon, we're better than that. We'll not loose our beloved character or franchise in any way. It will not become unrecognisable. Ever. Now chill. Take a pill. Get real.

    I'm being a realist. If it feels like a downer to you, I'm sorry, but this is what's happening. Bond is over as we know it. Maybe not with this film (fingers crossed) but it's coming. The writing's on the wall.

    Edit: Also, think about just the simple change Craig represented. Remember danielcraigisnotbond.com? Bond can't be short, can't be blonde, etc? I thought they were crazy and extremists and thank God the series turned out well (thus far). But these subtle changes crack open the possibility of more changes down the line. The traditional Bond image, tall, dark hair, white, male, etc, has already eroded.
  • Posts: 6,709
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    I agree she won't lose it. Disagree that she'll get a spinoff. BB and MGW aren't stupid. They know who the star of the show is.

    I think Bond will die or retire for good at the end and she'll continue on as 007, but it'll be like JGL taking over as Batman. Won't actually have an impact on future films. They'll just reboot with the next guy.

    That's why I don't get why people are getting so worked up over this. It's a fun, different idea they're running with for one movie. Not the end of the world or the status quo changing. They'll never stop making James Bond 007 films in any of our lifetimes.

    Maybe not but they WILL change the gender/race of the character at some point. All evidence points to this change coming soon. They will bend the knee to the PC police and wokeness of our modern world.

    No they don't. Jeez, you're a real negativist downer. Also, it seems you really want to shake things up around here, don't you? Relax, man.

    the-sky-is-falling-gif.gif

    I know most of these reactions come from fear, but cmon, we're better than that. We'll not loose our beloved character or franchise in any way. It will not become unrecognisable. Ever. Now chill. Take a pill. Get real.

    I'm being a realist. If it feels like a downer to you, I'm sorry, but this is what's happening. Bond is over as we know it. Maybe not with this film (fingers crossed) but it's coming. The writing's on the wall.

    I'll just post this again:

    the-sky-is-falling-gif.gif
  • Posts: 19,339
    Blimey....I can sense the hysteria from outside the forums seeping into here as well,for both sides of the argument.
    Not good peeps !!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2019 Posts: 16,422
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    I agree she won't lose it. Disagree that she'll get a spinoff. BB and MGW aren't stupid. They know who the star of the show is.

    I think Bond will die or retire for good at the end and she'll continue on as 007, but it'll be like JGL taking over as Batman. Won't actually have an impact on future films. They'll just reboot with the next guy.

    That's why I don't get why people are getting so worked up over this. It's a fun, different idea they're running with for one movie. Not the end of the world or the status quo changing. They'll never stop making James Bond 007 films in any of our lifetimes.

    Maybe not but they WILL change the gender/race of the character at some point. All evidence points to this change coming soon. They will bend the knee to the PC police and wokeness of our modern world.

    No they don't. Jeez, you're a real negativist downer. Also, it seems you really want to shake things up around here, don't you? Relax, man.

    the-sky-is-falling-gif.gif

    I know most of these reactions come from fear, but cmon, we're better than that. We'll not loose our beloved character or franchise in any way. It will not become unrecognisable. Ever. Now chill. Take a pill. Get real.

    I'm being a realist. If it feels like a downer to you, I'm sorry, but this is what's happening. Bond is over as we know it. Maybe not with this film (fingers crossed) but it's coming. The writing's on the wall.

    You really need to stop saying stupid things and claiming that they're true.

    As for Bond changing race at some point? Yeah, probably. I expect at some point an actor will come along who's great for it who happens to be black, just like Craig and Moore happened to be blond, just like Connery happened to be Scottish and bald, just like Lazenby happened to be Australian and not an actor, just like Brosnan happened to be Irish. No one is the perfect embodiment of the words on Fleming's pages because it's all made up. Who cares?

    "B-b-b-but those are all different!!"
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    @The_Reaper If Eon don't try and reach new audiences with some new and interesting ideas, then Bond is definitely. Like I've said atm no-one cares about Bond, we do, but we're a fan site so we're all programmed to. They need to reach new audiences, and bring back Bond to its heyday, and it was broken long before they made this decision. This can only bring in more people, and obviously filter out some other, who frankly probably don't deserve to see it in the first place.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited July 2019 Posts: 8,217
    Denbigh wrote: »
    God xome of you are such idiots. I'm all for opinions but when they're this ridiculous all I can do is laugh at you.

    +1

    Both ends of the spectrum on this board are absolutely ludicrous. One slightly more so than the other, of course. The Bond/Nomi spin-off garbage is one thing, but the evidently prejudiced posts are baffling in this day and age, really.

    This is one film, lads. One film. It's not going to lead to a black, female led James Bond film. It's extremely unlikely that it will lead to a spin-off series. It's a single story, self-contained, designed to give Craig a send off that makes narrative and thematic sense for his era. We'll have a new Bond actor for the next film, unless Craig decides he wants to do another (and he probably won't), and that'll probably be completely different to what we've gotten over the last 15 years.
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    Do these chaps look bothered and panic-stricken ?

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    Denbigh wrote: »
    @The_Reaper If Eon don't try and reach new audiences with some new and interesting ideas, then Bond is definitely. Like I've said atm no-one cares about Bond, we do, but we're a fan site so we're all programmed to. They need to reach new audiences, and bring back Bond to its heyday, and it was broken long before they made this decision. This can only bring in more people, and obviously filter out some other, who frankly probably don't deserve to see it in the first place.

    Precisely. And the people saying 'I'll see it now, now that I've heard about the female 007 story point', that's a win for them.
  • Posts: 6,709
    There are really two antagonistic arguments being made here in the forums, and both have a common agenda, which is to shake and stir things to no end. One side is provocative under the guise of rightfulness, and the other is hysterical under the guise of realism. And if both sides think most of us are stupid enough not to notice, you're dead wrong. So, everyone, stop this sick dynamic, please.

    Who could have tell that the troublesome Production Thread would be a grain of sand in a beach as bitchy as this?
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Univex wrote: »
    There are really two antagonistic arguments being made here in the forums, and both have a common agenda, which is to shake and stir things to no end. One side is provocative under the guise of rightfulness, and the other is hysterical under the guise of realism. And if both sides think most of us are stupid enough not to notice, you're dead wrong. So, everyone, stop this sick dynamic, please.

    Who could have tell that the troublesome Production Thread would be a grain of sand in a beach as bitchy as this?

    Very true, sir. Echoing modern life perfectly, where those of us who are floating around the middle-ground are anonymous.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited July 2019 Posts: 6,304
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    God I hope not...that would put me off going to see the film for sure.
    I would probably rent it on SKY when it comes out,to see if I can tolerate it before I think about buying it.

    They almost did it after DAD, remember? The character Jinx was all set up to be in a spin-off series, strong black woman and all.

    Yep...but not as 007....THATS the problem.

    Doesn't matter. See, it's the slowly boiling frog analogy. When precedence is set, it's easier to push the agenda forward into a more focused, physical, and more powerful reality. Jinx was just a first, tentative step. In today's hyper PC culture, the #metoo movement, the active push against "toxic masculinity", and everything else, this is all they need.

    And your agenda is what? Lack of change?
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nomi will not lose her status. I'm calling it right now, there will be a scene at the end of the movie where Craig hands off the mantle to her and she gets either a spin-off series or becomes 007 forever.

    I agree she won't lose it. Disagree that she'll get a spinoff. BB and MGW aren't stupid. They know who the star of the show is.

    I think Bond will die or retire for good at the end and she'll continue on as 007, but it'll be like JGL taking over as Batman. Won't actually have an impact on future films. They'll just reboot with the next guy.

    That's why I don't get why people are getting so worked up over this. It's a fun, different idea they're running with for one movie. Not the end of the world or the status quo changing. They'll never stop making James Bond 007 films in any of our lifetimes.

    Maybe not but they WILL change the gender/race of the character at some point. All evidence points to this change coming soon. They will bend the knee to the PC police and wokeness of our modern world.

    No they don't. Jeez, you're a real negativist downer. Also, it seems you really want to shake things up around here, don't you? Relax, man.

    the-sky-is-falling-gif.gif

    I know most of these reactions come from fear, but cmon, we're better than that. We'll not loose our beloved character or franchise in any way. It will not become unrecognisable. Ever. Now chill. Take a pill. Get real.

    I'm being a realist. If it feels like a downer to you, I'm sorry, but this is what's happening. Bond is over as we know it. Maybe not with this film (fingers crossed) but it's coming. The writing's on the wall.

    Edit: Also, think about just the simple change Craig represented. Remember danielcraigisnotbond.com? Bond can't be short, can't be blonde, etc? I thought they were crazy and extremists and thank God the series turned out well (thus far). But these subtle changes crack open the possibility of more changes down the line. The traditional Bond image, tall, dark hair, white, male, etc, has already eroded.

    "Tradition" is code for racism and sexism.

    Take a look around you. The world is more diverse. It's increasingly less white. Women and minorities can hold top jobs in business and government just as well as white men traditionally have. They can even--gasp!--drive cars (someone actually made that argument).

    And by the way, James Bond in B25 is still being played by a white man, Daniel Craig.
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 4,409
    This whole thread has become people responding to @The_Reaper

    is he the new @PanchitoPistoles ?!?!?!

    The crown has passed on...............

    Reaper, bro it really doesn't matter.If you're that bothered. Then don't buy a ticket. Vote with your money.
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