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I'm sorry this makes you uncomfortable. Time marches on.
"Daniel Craig will portray a retired James Bond in the new 007 movie" doesn't bring as many clicks as "FINALLY A NEW 007! IT WIL BE A BLACK WOMAN!!!!!!"
Reading the last couple of pages...
It seems like they really wrote themselves into a corner with the "new 007" thing.
If they made the "new 007" a random white male killing him off in the first 5 minutes would cause literally 0 problems with everyone.
Buuuuut now that it's a black woman....
Everything will be seen as a lazy writing :D
Killing her in the PTS? Lazy writing.
Having her live and be the partner of 007 entire movie? Lazy writing.
Having her end up a mole at the last third of the movie? Lazy writing
Having her have a small 'Felixesque' role? Lazy writing cause we already have couple of characters like that so having another small role which helps Bond is not needed at all (especially after Tanner joining the Craig era...a thing which was not needed at all and I still think he is not needed as a character at all)
Having her stay over as 007? That's just straight up dumb. That would be like Nolan creating a new Batman movie...Batman returns after "retiriting" and....he ends the movie retiring.
You can't have a James Bond movie where he starts and ends retired no matter what.
So no matter what they'll do....the move will be hated by a certain group of people.
And all of this is... cause they wrote themselves into a corner with the stupid SPECTRE script where Bond out of nowhere falls in love with Madeline and retires with her after not killing his "half-brother" Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
I really feel sorry for the director, he accepted a movie which has to be a follow up to a bad script.
At least it's a challenge but...idk...
I think the movie can be saved and it can be pretty solid cause I like to believe the story will be Bond first... but no matter what they do... this "new 007" thing is not needed at all out of context....but in the context of Bond being retired....it is needed.
Also...scrap the whole "new 007" thing aside.
What should they do with Madeline? She is also not needed in this movie.
Sure, Blofeld may have a small role behind bars and that's how they'll do his thing.
But Madeline? Will she be killed off? Will she break up with Bond? Will she be a mole?
So now you have 2(!!!) characters which need a certain closure.
And no matter what they do with these two characters the closure will be either lazy or stupid.
Having one stupid thing in a movie is ok...but two????
SPECTRE was the same with BROfeld and Swann relationship being too forced.
So this movie HAS to do at least two stupid decisions which fans will hate or not agree on no matter what.
If the rest of the movie is perfect - the movie still has to have 2 dumb/lazy things.
And the chances of the rest of the movie being perfect are not certain either.
For all we know they may say "Hey btw...Remi Malek is the little brother of Le Chiffre/Green/Silva/Whatever"
Really feel sorry for Cary, he is in a no-win situation.
Sorry if I seem too pesimistic, I am not generally pesimistic just when I start to think about details like this haha
But other than the forum I don't think too much about the movie and I'll wait for the first trailer to see what they are cooking for us.
Has anybody on this forum actually worded it that way? I want to know. Seriously. Somebody tell me if people have talked like that on here. I want to read it myself.
Not that explicit i believe, but It's definitly in the subtext. The word 'pandering' has been thrown around a lot here for sure.
Why else get triggered on unsubstatiated rumor? Some people have it all figured out it seems.
@00Agent well it has been happening as a trend in Hollywood (just look at the men in black debacle) so I could see why this is definitely upsets people very easily but it's like this is different case this more coincidental than forced and who knows if this is true and I'm sure there will be script changes from now until the movie is released. I just think people need to calm down either upset or excited until we find out real information. I just think things aren't as bad as they seem.
It’s become a problem when groups start believing the casting of POC women lead in franchises is ONLY done for nefarious reasons. We could have all taken the casting of Nomi as being an interesting twist, but instead overreact as if it’s something awful.
Basically, people are weird.
I’m not convinced that’s what Blofeld was referring to there.
I've heard that MIB International started out as a 21 Jump Street movie crossover. (Not sure how that was going to work...) but when that failed to materialise it became a straight MIB film that was apparently plagued by major re-writes even as it was filming, and the director almost walked out several times.
Turned out to be pretty awful by all accounts although i haven't seen it.
You are going nowhere madam, we need you to keep us plonkers of men under control !
True, it wasn’t good. Though the implication being made is that it failed because of “stunt casting” with Tessa Thompson, which is stupid.
@mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.
@MajorDSmythe the new one with Tessa Thompson.
He's talking about the new one.
People are talking about Nomi potentially being evil, as much as that would be a decent plot point, it would make the fourth film in a row either with an evil MI6 agent (Mitchell, QOS), an evil former MI6 agent (Silva, SF) or an evil someone related to MI6 (Denbigh, SP). It's tired at this point.
That would be an excellent twist she turns out being a traitor.
That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?
Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython
@ToTheRight one week? You must be joking? Where you live?
I prefer Nomi to be on the good side. We alredy had one traitor from 00 section in "Goldeneye".
@Librarian I know I don't know I think would be an excellent an I gotcha play her as good the whole time then wham she changes sides.
It might have actually played 2 weeks, but I seem to remember the run ending a few weeks ago at the cinemas near me. I'm looking into this now as I'm curious.
Okay, if I want to drive an hour or two out I could probably still catch it somewhere.
I understand your idea but I don't think that 00 agent needs to be trained.
@Librarian I don't think she will be trained either it's all an idea but the turning bad idea is excellent especially if the whole film they portray her as good and then wham 360.
@ToTheRight I see it's got bad reviews on the internet.