Lashana Lynch as 007 and the Women of 'No Time to Die' (SPOILERS!)

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  • Posts: 678
    He's talking about the new one.

    People are talking about Nomi potentially being evil, as much as that would be a decent plot point, it would make the fourth film in a row either with an evil MI6 agent (Mitchell, QOS), an evil former MI6 agent (Silva, SF) or an evil someone related to MI6 (Denbigh, SP). It's tired at this point.
    It would just be a repeat of Miranda Frost.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Remember C infiltrated MI6 as Blofeld mole this would be taking it one step further he tried to shutdown the 00 program once. I didn't like C but it was an excellent idea Spectre had lots of good ideas but were just botched left and right like the parkour skiing but Daniel couldn't ski.
  • Posts: 16,149
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The new Men in Black film only played about a week where I live. I'd say it flopped royally.

    @ToTheRight one week? You must be joking? Where you live?

    It might have actually played 2 weeks, but I seem to remember the run ending a few weeks ago at the cinemas near me. I'm looking into this now as I'm curious.

    Okay, if I want to drive an hour or two out I could probably still catch it somewhere.

    @ToTheRight I see it's got bad reviews on the internet.

    I saw the first three films, but it was never a franchise I was that interested in. I barely remember those movies, TBH.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,179
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Okay, thanks. I hope not. Because I would leave.

    You are going nowhere madam, we need you to keep us plonkers of men under control !

    +1
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    What happened with Men In Black? The film was made, that's what happened. Without Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, it just isn't worth it. Even the two sequels that they did make, weren't as good as the original film.

    True, it wasn’t good. Though the implication being made is that it failed because of “stunt casting” with Tessa Thompson, which is stupid.

    Tessa certainly had nothing to do with me not seeing it. It was Hemsworth who really made me lose interest.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Okay, thanks. I hope not. Because I would leave.

    You are going nowhere madam, we need you to keep us plonkers of men under control !

    +1

    Thanks, @barryt007 and @Resurrection. I'm here for now. B-)
  • Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Okay, thanks. I hope not. Because I would leave.

    You are going nowhere madam, we need you to keep us plonkers of men under control !

    +1

    Thanks, @barryt007 and @Resurrection. I'm here for now. B-)

    That’s all we need to hear .
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Okay, thanks. I hope not. Because I would leave.

    You are going nowhere madam, we need you to keep us plonkers of men under control !

    +1

    Thanks, @barryt007 and @Resurrection. I'm here for now. B-)

    That’s all we need to hear .

    Seconded. Or thirded... ;)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    @MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 17,740
    .
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    @MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.

    But isn't Men in Black the name of the organisation they work for?

    Also, as a side note; Men in Black: International is a spin-off too, isn't it – and not a part of the original series?
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,126
    .
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    @MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.

    But isn't Men in Black the name of the organisation they work for?

    @Torgeirtrap I don't know im not familiar with the franchise at all i guess if that was the case it would make sense.
  • Posts: 17,740
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    .
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    @MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.

    But isn't Men in Black the name of the organisation they work for?

    @Torgeirtrap I don't know im not familiar with the franchise at all i guess if that was the case it would make sense.

    Yup, just checked.

    "The franchise focuses on the fictional non-governmental organization of the same name which monitors and regulates paranormal and alien activity on Earth while preventing civilians from finding out about it."

    Makes sense to keep the name then, and not change it to anything else.
  • Posts: 1,092
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    Audiences can if the movie is good. Like the entire Aliens franchise with Weaver, Terminator with Sarah Conner in the lead, the Resident Evil movies (which are the highest grossing video game films of ALL TIME), etc. Atomic Blonde is a gnarly action film with a female spy that totally owned.

    See, this has nothing to do with veiled sexism or men feeling threatened. I love all the films I mentioned, plus many more, that have females kicking butt. The problem I have with this 007 nonsense is that it's rooted in PC culture and the fact EON is only making this choice to cover themselves in this modern world of over sensitivity and the me too movement.

    They are scared to death of bad press of Bond's supposed chauvinist past so they are making sure they score points with the outrage crowd.
  • Posts: 19,339
    I’ve never got on wz MIB from the very first one x no reason,it just does nothing for me.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 5,185
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    Audiences can if the movie is good. Like the entire Aliens franchise with Weaver, Terminator with Sarah Conner in the lead, the Resident Evil movies (which are the highest grossing video game films of ALL TIME), etc. Atomic Blonde is a gnarly action film with a female spy that totally owned.

    See, this has nothing to do with veiled sexism or men feeling threatened. I love all the films I mentioned, plus many more, that have females kicking butt. The problem I have with this 007 nonsense is that it's rooted in PC culture and the fact EON is only making this choice to cover themselves in this modern world of over sensitivity and the me too movement.

    They are scared to death of bad press of Bond's supposed chauvinist past so they are making sure they score points with the outrage crowd.

    Say hi to Barbara from me, you must have been hanging out a lot with her lately.

    Half the frigging movies in the series are some reaction to the puplic's opinion on Bond's supposed sexism (sometimes they pussied out (TLD) and sometimes they doubled down (GE) and trust me, Craig will not pussy out for sure). The only stupidity is to think that this one will be worse or different, or that it will "demasculine" Bond or take the focus away from him.
    Female characters and Bond's interaction with them is one of the most integral part of this franchise, it's amazing to me that so many supposed "fans" on here don't even get that.

    Yes, it's true, women have become more prominent in movies, becaue the viewership among women has been rising exponentially, which is also true for gaming and all other areas of geek culture, i guess you can thank the internet for that. But that doesn't mean Nomi will get more screen time than any other Bond girl (she sure won't have as much screen time as Vesper, nowhere close i would say) or that a woman in a Bond film will ever have more power than Bond (that privileg will always belong to Judi Dench).

    There is just one thing people need to understand, women like Bond just the way he is, they don't won't him to change either.

  • edited July 2019 Posts: 1,661
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    .
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    @MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.

    But isn't Men in Black the name of the organisation they work for?

    @Torgeirtrap I don't know im not familiar with the franchise at all i guess if that was the case it would make sense.

    Yup, just checked.

    "The franchise focuses on the fictional non-governmental organization of the same name which monitors and regulates paranormal and alien activity on Earth while preventing civilians from finding out about it."

    Makes sense to keep the name then, and not change it to anything else.

    Men In Black was a comic - 'The Men In Black' - before it became a film franchise. I very much doubt the creator of The Men In Black, Lowell Cunningham, intended the agents to be women. The clue is in the title!

    I think most of the criticism of MIB International was due to the content, the less-than -impressive plot, rather than gender change. That didn't seem the case with Ghostbusters 2016. The all female casting did provoke a strong negative reaction:
    The announcement of the female-led cast in 2015 drew a polarized response from the public and internet backlash, leading to the film's IMDb page and associated YouTube videos receiving low ratings prior to the film's release.

    IMDB closed its message boards after the release of GB. I'm assuming the backlash was one of the reasons the boards closed.

    It's very doubtful Craig wants to play second fiddle to Lynch's 007. He wants to be the star, not her. It's his final Bond (we assume!) so he wants to go out in style. I doubt she'll get more screentime than Craig although it's possible they may team up in a Jinx/Bond kinda way.

    "007, we make a good team."

    "We certainly do, 007!"










  • edited July 2019 Posts: 17,740
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    .
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    @MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.

    But isn't Men in Black the name of the organisation they work for?

    @Torgeirtrap I don't know im not familiar with the franchise at all i guess if that was the case it would make sense.

    Yup, just checked.

    "The franchise focuses on the fictional non-governmental organization of the same name which monitors and regulates paranormal and alien activity on Earth while preventing civilians from finding out about it."

    Makes sense to keep the name then, and not change it to anything else.

    Men In Black was a comic - 'The Men In Black' - before it became a film franchise. I very much doubt the creator of The Men In Black, Lowell Cunningham, intended the agents to be women. The clue is in the title!

    The movies are nothing like the comics in the first place from what I understand. Including a female main character in a spin-off film doesn't seem like a big thing, IMO.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,338
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    .
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    @MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.

    But isn't Men in Black the name of the organisation they work for?

    @Torgeirtrap I don't know im not familiar with the franchise at all i guess if that was the case it would make sense.

    Yup, just checked.

    "The franchise focuses on the fictional non-governmental organization of the same name which monitors and regulates paranormal and alien activity on Earth while preventing civilians from finding out about it."

    Makes sense to keep the name then, and not change it to anything else.

    Men In Black was a comic - 'The Men In Black' - before it became a film franchise. I very much doubt the creator of The Men In Black, Lowell Cunningham, intended the agents to be women. The clue is in the title!


    Do you actually care? It makes no difference.
    He named it after the real life rumours of ‘men in black’ turning up after supposed UFO sightings: he didn’t come up with the name.
  • Posts: 1,092
    00Agent wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    Audiences can if the movie is good. Like the entire Aliens franchise with Weaver, Terminator with Sarah Conner in the lead, the Resident Evil movies (which are the highest grossing video game films of ALL TIME), etc. Atomic Blonde is a gnarly action film with a female spy that totally owned.

    See, this has nothing to do with veiled sexism or men feeling threatened. I love all the films I mentioned, plus many more, that have females kicking butt. The problem I have with this 007 nonsense is that it's rooted in PC culture and the fact EON is only making this choice to cover themselves in this modern world of over sensitivity and the me too movement.

    They are scared to death of bad press of Bond's supposed chauvinist past so they are making sure they score points with the outrage crowd.

    Say hi to Barbara from me, you must have been hanging out a lot with her lately.

    Half the frigging movies in the series are some reaction to the puplic's opinion on Bond's supposed sexism (sometimes they pussied out (TLD) and sometimes they doubled down (GE) and trust me, Craig will not pussy out for sure). The only stupidity is to think that this one will be worse or different, or that it will "demasculine" Bond or take the focus away from him.
    Female characters and Bond's interaction with them is one of the most integral part of this franchise, it's amazing to me that so many supposed "fans" on here don't even get that.

    Yes, it's true, women have become more prominent in movies, becaue the viewership among women has been rising exponentially, which is also true for gaming and all other areas of geek culture, i guess you can thank the internet for that. But that doesn't mean Nomi will get more screen time than any other Bond girl (she sure won't have as much screen time as Vesper, nowhere close i would say) or that a woman in a Bond film will ever have more power than Bond (that privileg will always belong to Judi Dench).

    There is just one thing people need to understand, women like Bond just the way he is, they don't won't him to change either.

    Based on the evidence we have seen, combined with the outrageously charged political climate of today, it's naive and foolish to think it won't be worse than many of us fear. Marvel just announced a heavily PC and "diverse" line-up for their Phase 4 so that's where the world of cinema is headed. Bond will be no different.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Here's a new clip of Alan Cummings discussing his time on Goldeneye.

    6:10


    That quote stuck out to me:
    "They had this thing where they weren't called Bond girls, they called them "Bond Women". They tried to make it seem a little less sexist than it actually is."

    Bottom line is noooooooothing has changed in 20+ years. Bond 25 will not be a feminist revision, it will keep the character intact. Everyone chill. And most importantly, stop reading Tabloids. (can't believe i have to say this)
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Tessa Thompson was cast in MIB, which I guess was a bad thing because she’s a black female???

    It’s become a problem when groups start believing the casting of POC women lead in franchises is ONLY done for nefarious reasons. We could have all taken the casting of Nomi as being an interesting twist, but instead overreact as if it’s something awful.

    Basically, people are weird.
    00Agent wrote: »
    Here's a new clip of Alan Cummings discussing his time on Goldeneye.

    6:10


    That quote stuck out to me:
    "They had this thing where they weren't called Bond girls, they called them "Bond Women". They tried to make it seem a little less sexist than it actually is."

    Bottom line is noooooooothing has changed in 20+ years. Bond 25 will not be a feminist revision, it will keep the character intact. Everyone chill. And most importantly, stop reading Tabloids. (can't believe i have to say this)

    good find, @00Agent -- the proof is in the pudding. They've been doing this for a long time, and I'd even harken back to the 60s with unbelievably strong female leads... The only problem I have with EoN is they should embrace this past and tell the press they've been making strong, independent female character since the beginning (to repeat: Sylvia was out late, gambling, drinking, smoking, and breaking into a strange man's home for sex; Rosa Klebb and Bunt as villains; Pussy and Paula and Kissy, Tracy....)

    These are no damsels
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 5,185
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    Audiences can if the movie is good. Like the entire Aliens franchise with Weaver, Terminator with Sarah Conner in the lead, the Resident Evil movies (which are the highest grossing video game films of ALL TIME), etc. Atomic Blonde is a gnarly action film with a female spy that totally owned.

    See, this has nothing to do with veiled sexism or men feeling threatened. I love all the films I mentioned, plus many more, that have females kicking butt. The problem I have with this 007 nonsense is that it's rooted in PC culture and the fact EON is only making this choice to cover themselves in this modern world of over sensitivity and the me too movement.

    They are scared to death of bad press of Bond's supposed chauvinist past so they are making sure they score points with the outrage crowd.

    Say hi to Barbara from me, you must have been hanging out a lot with her lately.

    Half the frigging movies in the series are some reaction to the puplic's opinion on Bond's supposed sexism (sometimes they pussied out (TLD) and sometimes they doubled down (GE) and trust me, Craig will not pussy out for sure). The only stupidity is to think that this one will be worse or different, or that it will "demasculine" Bond or take the focus away from him.
    Female characters and Bond's interaction with them is one of the most integral part of this franchise, it's amazing to me that so many supposed "fans" on here don't even get that.

    Yes, it's true, women have become more prominent in movies, becaue the viewership among women has been rising exponentially, which is also true for gaming and all other areas of geek culture, i guess you can thank the internet for that. But that doesn't mean Nomi will get more screen time than any other Bond girl (she sure won't have as much screen time as Vesper, nowhere close i would say) or that a woman in a Bond film will ever have more power than Bond (that privileg will always belong to Judi Dench).

    There is just one thing people need to understand, women like Bond just the way he is, they don't won't him to change either.

    Based on the evidence we have seen, combined with the outrageously charged political climate of today, it's naive and foolish to think it won't be worse than many of us fear. Marvel just announced a heavily PC and "diverse" line-up for their Phase 4 so that's where the world of cinema is headed. Bond will be no different.

    It's naive to think that EoN doesn't know that there will be no female or feminist crowd coming to the rescue and buying all their products if they scare off their male audience.

    I get it, people don't trust EoN, they are an evil, greedy faceless corporation lol (but those same people would be totally fine giving the licence to disney... ugh... yeah, whatever.)

    So just trust in the almighty power of the dollar, and that EoN likes making money, because a female centric movies dosen't make any, especially not the revisionist kind like ghostbusters or oceans eight. People want authenticity and consistency.
    Wonder woman is like the only franchise with a female lead that worked because it stayed true to the character, Captain Marvel on the other hand was just smart marketing, otherwise that film would not have made half the money it did.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    00Agent wrote: »
    Here's a new clip of Alan Cummings discussing his time on Goldeneye.

    6:10


    That quote stuck out to me:
    "They had this thing where they weren't called Bond girls, they called them "Bond Women". They tried to make it seem a little less sexist than it actually is."

    Bottom line is noooooooothing has changed in 20+ years. Bond 25 will not be a feminist revision, it will keep the character intact. Everyone chill. And most importantly, stop reading Tabloids. (can't believe i have to say this)

    +1
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 5,185
    peter wrote: »
    Tessa Thompson was cast in MIB, which I guess was a bad thing because she’s a black female???

    It’s become a problem when groups start believing the casting of POC women lead in franchises is ONLY done for nefarious reasons. We could have all taken the casting of Nomi as being an interesting twist, but instead overreact as if it’s something awful.

    Basically, people are weird.
    00Agent wrote: »
    Here's a new clip of Alan Cummings discussing his time on Goldeneye.

    6:10


    That quote stuck out to me:
    "They had this thing where they weren't called Bond girls, they called them "Bond Women". They tried to make it seem a little less sexist than it actually is."

    Bottom line is noooooooothing has changed in 20+ years. Bond 25 will not be a feminist revision, it will keep the character intact. Everyone chill. And most importantly, stop reading Tabloids. (can't believe i have to say this)

    good find, @00Agent -- the proof is in the pudding. They've been doing this for a long time, and I'd even harken back to the 60s with unbelievably strong female leads... The only problem I have with EoN is they should embrace this past and tell the press they've been making strong, independent female character since the beginning (to repeat: Sylvia was out late, gambling, drinking, smoking, and breaking into a strange man's home for sex; Rosa Klebb and Bunt as villains; Pussy and Paula and Kissy, Tracy....)

    These are no damsels

    I agree, and i often wonder why that is. Sometimes i have a feeling there is some strategy to it, but at the same time i wonder if the press would even let them... you know?
    To me it would be a massive improvement if they start prepping their new actresses by making them say "my character is a strong and independend women, like many of the Bond girls before me". But maybe that doesn't have such a ring of originality to it, i don't know. But i feel like that has improved in the Craig era, i heard praise for Vesper and his girls overall. Like from PWB for example.

    Tabloids obviously live off of controversy, and that is easy to find in the Bond franchise.
    And Bond is an edgy character, and that is part of his appeal as well.
    Personally i would not want it any other way.
    Another TLD and i am out, that would be my threshold.
    I think EoN understands this. So basically they have been balancing on a thightrope for decades.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    Audiences can if the movie is good. Like the entire Aliens franchise with Weaver, Terminator with Sarah Conner in the lead, the Resident Evil movies (which are the highest grossing video game films of ALL TIME), etc. Atomic Blonde is a gnarly action film with a female spy that totally owned.

    See, this has nothing to do with veiled sexism or men feeling threatened. I love all the films I mentioned, plus many more, that have females kicking butt. The problem I have with this 007 nonsense is that it's rooted in PC culture and the fact EON is only making this choice to cover themselves in this modern world of over sensitivity and the me too movement.

    They are scared to death of bad press of Bond's supposed chauvinist past so they are making sure they score points with the outrage crowd.

    Say hi to Barbara from me, you must have been hanging out a lot with her lately.

    Half the frigging movies in the series are some reaction to the puplic's opinion on Bond's supposed sexism (sometimes they pussied out (TLD) and sometimes they doubled down (GE) and trust me, Craig will not pussy out for sure). The only stupidity is to think that this one will be worse or different, or that it will "demasculine" Bond or take the focus away from him.
    Female characters and Bond's interaction with them is one of the most integral part of this franchise, it's amazing to me that so many supposed "fans" on here don't even get that.

    Yes, it's true, women have become more prominent in movies, becaue the viewership among women has been rising exponentially, which is also true for gaming and all other areas of geek culture, i guess you can thank the internet for that. But that doesn't mean Nomi will get more screen time than any other Bond girl (she sure won't have as much screen time as Vesper, nowhere close i would say) or that a woman in a Bond film will ever have more power than Bond (that privileg will always belong to Judi Dench).

    There is just one thing people need to understand, women like Bond just the way he is, they don't won't him to change either.

    Based on the evidence we have seen, combined with the outrageously charged political climate of today, it's naive and foolish to think it won't be worse than many of us fear. Marvel just announced a heavily PC and "diverse" line-up for their Phase 4 so that's where the world of cinema is headed. Bond will be no different.

    It's naive to think that EoN doesn't know that there will be no female or feminist crowd coming to the rescue and buying all their products if they scare of their male audience.

    I get it, people don't trust EoN, they are an evil, greedy faceless corporation lol (but those same people would be totally fine giving the licence to disney... ugh... yeah, whatever.)

    So just trust in the almighty power of the dollar, and that EoN likes making money, because a female centric movies dosen't make any, especially not the revisionist kind like ghostbusters or oceans eight. People want authenticity and consistency.
    Wonder woman is like the only franchise with a female lead that worked because it stayed true to the character, Captain Marvel on the other hand was just smart marketing, otherwise that film would not have made half the money it did.

    @00Agent I don't think they are faceless and greedy and evil but I'm sure people think that after this move but it's like what they supposed to do they put themselves in a corner with Spectre and bringing Daniel back.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 5,185
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    Audiences can if the movie is good. Like the entire Aliens franchise with Weaver, Terminator with Sarah Conner in the lead, the Resident Evil movies (which are the highest grossing video game films of ALL TIME), etc. Atomic Blonde is a gnarly action film with a female spy that totally owned.

    See, this has nothing to do with veiled sexism or men feeling threatened. I love all the films I mentioned, plus many more, that have females kicking butt. The problem I have with this 007 nonsense is that it's rooted in PC culture and the fact EON is only making this choice to cover themselves in this modern world of over sensitivity and the me too movement.

    They are scared to death of bad press of Bond's supposed chauvinist past so they are making sure they score points with the outrage crowd.

    Say hi to Barbara from me, you must have been hanging out a lot with her lately.

    Half the frigging movies in the series are some reaction to the puplic's opinion on Bond's supposed sexism (sometimes they pussied out (TLD) and sometimes they doubled down (GE) and trust me, Craig will not pussy out for sure). The only stupidity is to think that this one will be worse or different, or that it will "demasculine" Bond or take the focus away from him.
    Female characters and Bond's interaction with them is one of the most integral part of this franchise, it's amazing to me that so many supposed "fans" on here don't even get that.

    Yes, it's true, women have become more prominent in movies, becaue the viewership among women has been rising exponentially, which is also true for gaming and all other areas of geek culture, i guess you can thank the internet for that. But that doesn't mean Nomi will get more screen time than any other Bond girl (she sure won't have as much screen time as Vesper, nowhere close i would say) or that a woman in a Bond film will ever have more power than Bond (that privileg will always belong to Judi Dench).

    There is just one thing people need to understand, women like Bond just the way he is, they don't won't him to change either.

    Based on the evidence we have seen, combined with the outrageously charged political climate of today, it's naive and foolish to think it won't be worse than many of us fear. Marvel just announced a heavily PC and "diverse" line-up for their Phase 4 so that's where the world of cinema is headed. Bond will be no different.

    It's naive to think that EoN doesn't know that there will be no female or feminist crowd coming to the rescue and buying all their products if they scare of their male audience.

    I get it, people don't trust EoN, they are an evil, greedy faceless corporation lol (but those same people would be totally fine giving the licence to disney... ugh... yeah, whatever.)

    So just trust in the almighty power of the dollar, and that EoN likes making money, because a female centric movies dosen't make any, especially not the revisionist kind like ghostbusters or oceans eight. People want authenticity and consistency.
    Wonder woman is like the only franchise with a female lead that worked because it stayed true to the character, Captain Marvel on the other hand was just smart marketing, otherwise that film would not have made half the money it did.

    @00Agent I don't think they are faceless and greedy and evil but I'm sure people think that after this move but it's like what they supposed to do they put themselves in a corner with Spectre and bringing Daniel back.

    That was an attempt at sarcasm ;) hence the "lol"
    I have nothing but respect for EoN, Barbara and Michael. This is not just a job for them, this is their life, their family legacy. But most people don't see that or care and i have to accept that.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    I can't even go on Facebook Bond pages I post something about Bond and I get offensive out of the line comments like hoping fleas attack me and boycott it and lynch her this is unacceptable
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What happened with Men in Black?

    @mtm The new one where they called it men in black and it was a women and man I heard it was a bad flop. Apparently her name is Tessa Thompson. If they were going to do what they did they should have made it a spin off what they did was silly.

    That makes no sense as there have already been women agents in the previous films, why would it be an issue now?

    Well I guess you could be right I'm not familiar with men in black but from a general audience perspective it definitely seems gimmicky. @MakeshiftPython

    So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?

    @MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.

    But isn't Men in Black the name of the organisation they work for?

    @Torgeirtrap I don't know im not familiar with the franchise at all i guess if that was the case it would make sense.

    Yup, just checked.

    "The franchise focuses on the fictional non-governmental organization of the same name which monitors and regulates paranormal and alien activity on Earth while preventing civilians from finding out about it."

    Makes sense to keep the name then, and not change it to anything else.

    Ok that makes sense then.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 5,185
    I think i will take a break off this thread because people are running in circles and i am really not into that.

    But i will try and go out on a high note, and let the lovely Naomi Harris explain to you why there is nothing to be worried about in B25:

    17:15 - 19:10


    Caption: Dumbass feminized journalist trying to stirr some shit, and Namoi Harris putting him in his place with common sense and facts.
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