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I saw the first three films, but it was never a franchise I was that interested in. I barely remember those movies, TBH.
So you believe audiences can’t handle female heroes?
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Tessa certainly had nothing to do with me not seeing it. It was Hemsworth who really made me lose interest.
Thanks, @barryt007 and @Resurrection. I'm here for now. B-)
That’s all we need to hear .
Seconded. Or thirded... ;)
@MakeshiftPython no i never said that Just think if your going to sell it they should have changed the title instead of men in black to maybe man and women in black.
But isn't Men in Black the name of the organisation they work for?
Also, as a side note; Men in Black: International is a spin-off too, isn't it – and not a part of the original series?
@Torgeirtrap I don't know im not familiar with the franchise at all i guess if that was the case it would make sense.
Yup, just checked.
"The franchise focuses on the fictional non-governmental organization of the same name which monitors and regulates paranormal and alien activity on Earth while preventing civilians from finding out about it."
Makes sense to keep the name then, and not change it to anything else.
Audiences can if the movie is good. Like the entire Aliens franchise with Weaver, Terminator with Sarah Conner in the lead, the Resident Evil movies (which are the highest grossing video game films of ALL TIME), etc. Atomic Blonde is a gnarly action film with a female spy that totally owned.
See, this has nothing to do with veiled sexism or men feeling threatened. I love all the films I mentioned, plus many more, that have females kicking butt. The problem I have with this 007 nonsense is that it's rooted in PC culture and the fact EON is only making this choice to cover themselves in this modern world of over sensitivity and the me too movement.
They are scared to death of bad press of Bond's supposed chauvinist past so they are making sure they score points with the outrage crowd.
Say hi to Barbara from me, you must have been hanging out a lot with her lately.
Half the frigging movies in the series are some reaction to the puplic's opinion on Bond's supposed sexism (sometimes they pussied out (TLD) and sometimes they doubled down (GE) and trust me, Craig will not pussy out for sure). The only stupidity is to think that this one will be worse or different, or that it will "demasculine" Bond or take the focus away from him.
Female characters and Bond's interaction with them is one of the most integral part of this franchise, it's amazing to me that so many supposed "fans" on here don't even get that.
Yes, it's true, women have become more prominent in movies, becaue the viewership among women has been rising exponentially, which is also true for gaming and all other areas of geek culture, i guess you can thank the internet for that. But that doesn't mean Nomi will get more screen time than any other Bond girl (she sure won't have as much screen time as Vesper, nowhere close i would say) or that a woman in a Bond film will ever have more power than Bond (that privileg will always belong to Judi Dench).
There is just one thing people need to understand, women like Bond just the way he is, they don't won't him to change either.
Men In Black was a comic - 'The Men In Black' - before it became a film franchise. I very much doubt the creator of The Men In Black, Lowell Cunningham, intended the agents to be women. The clue is in the title!
I think most of the criticism of MIB International was due to the content, the less-than -impressive plot, rather than gender change. That didn't seem the case with Ghostbusters 2016. The all female casting did provoke a strong negative reaction:
IMDB closed its message boards after the release of GB. I'm assuming the backlash was one of the reasons the boards closed.
It's very doubtful Craig wants to play second fiddle to Lynch's 007. He wants to be the star, not her. It's his final Bond (we assume!) so he wants to go out in style. I doubt she'll get more screentime than Craig although it's possible they may team up in a Jinx/Bond kinda way.
"007, we make a good team."
"We certainly do, 007!"
The movies are nothing like the comics in the first place from what I understand. Including a female main character in a spin-off film doesn't seem like a big thing, IMO.
Do you actually care? It makes no difference.
He named it after the real life rumours of ‘men in black’ turning up after supposed UFO sightings: he didn’t come up with the name.
Based on the evidence we have seen, combined with the outrageously charged political climate of today, it's naive and foolish to think it won't be worse than many of us fear. Marvel just announced a heavily PC and "diverse" line-up for their Phase 4 so that's where the world of cinema is headed. Bond will be no different.
6:10
That quote stuck out to me:
"They had this thing where they weren't called Bond girls, they called them "Bond Women". They tried to make it seem a little less sexist than it actually is."
Bottom line is noooooooothing has changed in 20+ years. Bond 25 will not be a feminist revision, it will keep the character intact. Everyone chill. And most importantly, stop reading Tabloids. (can't believe i have to say this)
good find, @00Agent -- the proof is in the pudding. They've been doing this for a long time, and I'd even harken back to the 60s with unbelievably strong female leads... The only problem I have with EoN is they should embrace this past and tell the press they've been making strong, independent female character since the beginning (to repeat: Sylvia was out late, gambling, drinking, smoking, and breaking into a strange man's home for sex; Rosa Klebb and Bunt as villains; Pussy and Paula and Kissy, Tracy....)
These are no damsels
It's naive to think that EoN doesn't know that there will be no female or feminist crowd coming to the rescue and buying all their products if they scare off their male audience.
I get it, people don't trust EoN, they are an evil, greedy faceless corporation lol (but those same people would be totally fine giving the licence to disney... ugh... yeah, whatever.)
So just trust in the almighty power of the dollar, and that EoN likes making money, because a female centric movies dosen't make any, especially not the revisionist kind like ghostbusters or oceans eight. People want authenticity and consistency.
Wonder woman is like the only franchise with a female lead that worked because it stayed true to the character, Captain Marvel on the other hand was just smart marketing, otherwise that film would not have made half the money it did.
+1
I agree, and i often wonder why that is. Sometimes i have a feeling there is some strategy to it, but at the same time i wonder if the press would even let them... you know?
To me it would be a massive improvement if they start prepping their new actresses by making them say "my character is a strong and independend women, like many of the Bond girls before me". But maybe that doesn't have such a ring of originality to it, i don't know. But i feel like that has improved in the Craig era, i heard praise for Vesper and his girls overall. Like from PWB for example.
Tabloids obviously live off of controversy, and that is easy to find in the Bond franchise.
And Bond is an edgy character, and that is part of his appeal as well.
Personally i would not want it any other way.
Another TLD and i am out, that would be my threshold.
I think EoN understands this. So basically they have been balancing on a thightrope for decades.
@00Agent I don't think they are faceless and greedy and evil but I'm sure people think that after this move but it's like what they supposed to do they put themselves in a corner with Spectre and bringing Daniel back.
That was an attempt at sarcasm ;) hence the "lol"
I have nothing but respect for EoN, Barbara and Michael. This is not just a job for them, this is their life, their family legacy. But most people don't see that or care and i have to accept that.
Ok that makes sense then.
But i will try and go out on a high note, and let the lovely Naomi Harris explain to you why there is nothing to be worried about in B25:
17:15 - 19:10
Caption: Dumbass feminized journalist trying to stirr some shit, and Namoi Harris putting him in his place with common sense and facts.