Lashana Lynch as 007 and the Women of 'No Time to Die' (SPOILERS!)

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,338
    Minion wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Doctor Who (now played by a woman)

    And look how that turned out:

    "Doctor Who ratings plunge after Jodie Whittaker takes over with PC plots"
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7666311/doctor-who-ratings-fall-pc-plots/

    That’s not true; the ratings went up, by quite a large extent.
    Just to play devil’s avocado, they went right back down.

    They certainly declined, but remained higher than they were.
  • Posts: 12,526
    Zekidk wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Doctor Who (now played by a woman)

    And look how that turned out:

    "Doctor Who ratings plunge after Jodie Whittaker takes over with PC plots"
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7666311/doctor-who-ratings-fall-pc-plots/

    I was one of them turning away from the show.
  • Posts: 6,709
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Doctor Who (now played by a woman)

    And look how that turned out:

    "Doctor Who ratings plunge after Jodie Whittaker takes over with PC plots"
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7666311/doctor-who-ratings-fall-pc-plots/

    I was one of them turning away from the show.

    Me too.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited July 2019 Posts: 13,978
    mtm wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Doctor Who (now played by a woman)

    And look how that turned out:

    "Doctor Who ratings plunge after Jodie Whittaker takes over with PC plots"
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7666311/doctor-who-ratings-fall-pc-plots/

    That’s not true; the ratings went up, by quite a large extent.

    *coughs*

    http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-11-2018-uk-ratings-accumulator-88397.htm

    Curious use of "large extent". First episode figures were to be expected for a new Doctor. Episodes 1 to 9 had a steady decrease, that is decrease not increase, in viewing figures. With only a small uptick with episode 10. With 'Resolution' having a little more than episode 10.
  • 007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Have you not been paying attention to pop culture or politics the last few years? Star Wars has changed dramatically and gotten "woke", so has Doctor Who (now played by a woman), a black Nick Fury, Marvel comics is rife with race/gender swapping, etc, etc. Now it's bleeding over into the films of Marvel with Thor now being a woman in the upcoming film.

    This trend has impacted Bond as well during Craig's era. Black Felix, Moneypenny, female M before Craig took over, and now a female minority taking the 007 code. Oh, and an openly gay villain with Silva. This has been coming for a long time and it's obvious to anyone what they are doing; it's only a matter of how far and how quick to keep pushing.

    "Gotten woke"? Going back to 1983, George Lucas had planned a female lead for Episodes 7, 8 and 9. Nick Fury being black happened in the Ultimate Marvel comics in 2002 (which is why Samuel L Jackson is playing him now), and Thor became a woman almost if not over a decade ago.

    I guess the changing social climate -- a climate Bond films have always tried to keep up with -- is too much for you. Bond should still obviously be fighting the Soviet Union now decades after their dissolution.

    There's a point where conservativeness just becomes stagnation. Stop trying to stagnate Bond.

    While I largely agree with your position, I'd like to point out: conservatives LIKE Russia now. Refusal to stagnate -- or co-opted without even realizing it? You pays your money and you choose: shaken or stirred?

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Conservatives don't like Russia

    Tell that to Donald Trump.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs why don't you you seem obsessed with him

    No, I am seriously concerned for the well being of my country, as any patriot would be. Especially with Russian counter-intelligence meddling in our elections and the likes of Trump and McConnell studiously ignoring the fact. Anyone who cares for the USA SHOULD be concerned. You, on the other hand, seem obsessed with opposing "wokeness" wherever you find it. Grow up and find something meaningful to be concerned about.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2019 Posts: 16,338
    mtm wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Doctor Who (now played by a woman)

    And look how that turned out:

    "Doctor Who ratings plunge after Jodie Whittaker takes over with PC plots"
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7666311/doctor-who-ratings-fall-pc-plots/

    That’s not true; the ratings went up, by quite a large extent.

    *coughs*

    http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-11-2018-uk-ratings-accumulator-88397.htm

    Curious use of "large extent".

    The last episode of the previous series got overnights of 3.75 million. The first episode of Whittaker's series got 8.20 million. What's your definition of 'large extent' if 'more than double' doesn't count? Cough.
    And yes, that series lost viewers but only went down to 5.15 million (overnight, not consolidated, which was 7.36 million) compared to the 3.75 million (or 5.60 million after 7 days) of the final episode of the previous Capaldi series. So it lost viewers across the series, but the ratings still stayed above what the show was getting the previous year.
    And that wasn't the lowest his series went (2.89 million a few weeks earlier).

    How's that cough? :)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Doctor Who (now played by a woman)

    And look how that turned out:

    "Doctor Who ratings plunge after Jodie Whittaker takes over with PC plots"
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7666311/doctor-who-ratings-fall-pc-plots/

    That’s not true; the ratings went up, by quite a large extent.

    *coughs*

    http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-11-2018-uk-ratings-accumulator-88397.htm

    Curious use of "large extent".

    The last episode of the previous series got overnights of 3.75 million. The first episode of Whittaker's series got 8.20 million. What's your definition of 'large extent' if 'more than double' doesn't count? Cough.

    "That’s not true; the ratings went up, by quite a large extent."


    So you wrote that in regards series 10 vs 11? If so, then you are right. However, you wrote that in response to the link about the rating falling.

    Ep 01 8.2m 10.54m
    Ep 02 7.11m 8.67m
    Ep 03 6.39m 8.09m
    Ep 04 6.43m 7.97m
    Ep 05 6.12m 7.49m
    Ep 06 5.77m 7.23m
    Ep 07 5.93m 7.23m
    Ep 08 5.66m 7.03m
    Ep 09 5.07m 6.24m
    Ep 10 5.32m 6.48


    The article was right. 8.2 to 5.32, or 10.54 to 6.48. now Now I agree that series 11 had better ratings at the start than the previous series.
    mtm wrote: »
    And yes, that series lost viewers but only went down to 5.15 million (overnight, not consolidated, which was 7.36 million) compared to the 3.75 million (or 5.60 million after 7 days) of the final episode of the previous Capaldi series. So it lost viewers across the series, but the ratings still stayed above what the show was getting the previous year.
    And that wasn't the lowest his series went (2.89 million a few weeks earlier).

    How's that cough? :)

    Series 11 actually dropped to 5.07 (or 6.24 consolidated). But I do agree with you in so far as the numbers of series 10 vs 11.

    Coughs cleared up, by the way, I didn't know you cared.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2019 Posts: 16,338
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Doctor Who (now played by a woman)

    And look how that turned out:

    "Doctor Who ratings plunge after Jodie Whittaker takes over with PC plots"
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7666311/doctor-who-ratings-fall-pc-plots/

    That’s not true; the ratings went up, by quite a large extent.

    *coughs*

    http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-11-2018-uk-ratings-accumulator-88397.htm

    Curious use of "large extent".

    The last episode of the previous series got overnights of 3.75 million. The first episode of Whittaker's series got 8.20 million. What's your definition of 'large extent' if 'more than double' doesn't count? Cough.

    "That’s not true; the ratings went up, by quite a large extent."


    So you wrote that in regards series 10 vs 11?

    Well obviously: this is a conversation about women daring to be cast as leads- Dr Who was brought up because Series 11 cast a woman in the lead role and it was being held up as 'proof' that it doesn't work. Saying that the ratings went down as a result is blatantly untrue, because they rose enormously; which is what I was pointing out.
    Do you think, after you've cleared your throat, that the headline ""Doctor Who ratings plunge after Jodie Whittaker takes over " is correct or false?
    If so, then you are right. However, you wrote that in response to the link about the rating falling.

    I know they declined. But they declined to a number which was still higher than the previous male-starring series. So Series 11 -with the woman in it- got higher ratings than the previous few male-starring series all the way through.

    mtm wrote: »
    And yes, that series lost viewers but only went down to 5.15 million (overnight, not consolidated, which was 7.36 million) compared to the 3.75 million (or 5.60 million after 7 days) of the final episode of the previous Capaldi series. So it lost viewers across the series, but the ratings still stayed above what the show was getting the previous year.
    And that wasn't the lowest his series went (2.89 million a few weeks earlier).

    How's that cough? :)

    Series 11 actually dropped to 5.07 (or 6.24 consolidated).


    It did, but not by the end, by which point it had actually gone up.
    But I do agree with you in so far as the numbers of series 10 vs 11.

    It's not really a matter of opinion! :)

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    mtm wrote: »
    Well obviously: this is a conversation about women daring to be cast as leads: Dr Who was brought up because Series 11 cast a woman in the lead role. Saying that the ratings went down as a result is blatantly untrue, because they rose enormously; which is what I was pointing out.

    It's not just that, though. It's also the lack of subtlety in the stories. In The Happiness Patrol, we all know Helen A is a swipe at Thatcher. In Arachnids in The UK, Robertson practically has a neon sign over his head saying "HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONALD TRUMP!".The stories have been getting getting gradually worse since the arrival of the 12th Doctor. And I am by no means blaming Capaldi. It just feels like that is when the stories started to go down hill. Though I did like Flatline.
    mtm wrote: »
    It did, but not by the end, by which point it had actually gone up.

    But it still dropped to 5.07. The numbers might have gone up at the end, but they still hit that low point.
    mtm wrote: »
    It's not really a matter of opinion! :)

    No, but I could have put a spin on it. Something like...

    "Series 10 might have hit a low of 2.89 (overnight), but the next episode actually went up to 3.37."


    At the end of the day, what with being a 7th Doctor fan, talking of viewing figures is making me uncomfortable.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Have you not been paying attention to pop culture or politics the last few years? Star Wars has changed dramatically and gotten "woke", so has Doctor Who (now played by a woman), a black Nick Fury, Marvel comics is rife with race/gender swapping, etc, etc. Now it's bleeding over into the films of Marvel with Thor now being a woman in the upcoming film.

    This trend has impacted Bond as well during Craig's era. Black Felix, Moneypenny, female M before Craig took over, and now a female minority taking the 007 code. Oh, and an openly gay villain with Silva. This has been coming for a long time and it's obvious to anyone what they are doing; it's only a matter of how far and how quick to keep pushing.

    "Gotten woke"? Going back to 1983, George Lucas had planned a female lead for Episodes 7, 8 and 9. Nick Fury being black happened in the Ultimate Marvel comics in 2002 (which is why Samuel L Jackson is playing him now), and Thor became a woman almost if not over a decade ago.

    I guess the changing social climate -- a climate Bond films have always tried to keep up with -- is too much for you. Bond should still obviously be fighting the Soviet Union now decades after their dissolution.

    There's a point where conservativeness just becomes stagnation. Stop trying to stagnate Bond.

    While I largely agree with your position, I'd like to point out: conservatives LIKE Russia now. Refusal to stagnate -- or co-opted without even realizing it? You pays your money and you choose: shaken or stirred?

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Conservatives don't like Russia

    Tell that to Donald Trump.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs why don't you you seem obsessed with him

    No, I am seriously concerned for the well being of my country, as any patriot would be. Especially with Russian counter-intelligence meddling in our elections and the likes of Trump and McConnell studiously ignoring the fact. Anyone who cares for the USA SHOULD be concerned. You, on the other hand, seem obsessed with opposing "wokeness" wherever you find it. Grow up and find something meaningful to be concerned about.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs I'm not obsessed with opposing wokeness I don't care for it but they have opinions and I respect them I'm just sick of political games and that includes today's hearings let's move on as people. I'm also sick of people overreacting to one comment.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Have you not been paying attention to pop culture or politics the last few years? Star Wars has changed dramatically and gotten "woke", so has Doctor Who (now played by a woman), a black Nick Fury, Marvel comics is rife with race/gender swapping, etc, etc. Now it's bleeding over into the films of Marvel with Thor now being a woman in the upcoming film.

    This trend has impacted Bond as well during Craig's era. Black Felix, Moneypenny, female M before Craig took over, and now a female minority taking the 007 code. Oh, and an openly gay villain with Silva. This has been coming for a long time and it's obvious to anyone what they are doing; it's only a matter of how far and how quick to keep pushing.

    "Gotten woke"? Going back to 1983, George Lucas had planned a female lead for Episodes 7, 8 and 9. Nick Fury being black happened in the Ultimate Marvel comics in 2002 (which is why Samuel L Jackson is playing him now), and Thor became a woman almost if not over a decade ago.

    I guess the changing social climate -- a climate Bond films have always tried to keep up with -- is too much for you. Bond should still obviously be fighting the Soviet Union now decades after their dissolution.

    There's a point where conservativeness just becomes stagnation. Stop trying to stagnate Bond.

    While I largely agree with your position, I'd like to point out: conservatives LIKE Russia now. Refusal to stagnate -- or co-opted without even realizing it? You pays your money and you choose: shaken or stirred?

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Conservatives don't like Russia

    Tell that to Donald Trump.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs why don't you you seem obsessed with him

    No, I am seriously concerned for the well being of my country, as any patriot would be. Especially with Russian counter-intelligence meddling in our elections and the likes of Trump and McConnell studiously ignoring the fact. Anyone who cares for the USA SHOULD be concerned. You, on the other hand, seem obsessed with opposing "wokeness" wherever you find it. Grow up and find something meaningful to be concerned about.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Excuse me I don't care about wokeness but what it is doing isn't really helping either side. just sick of it every where just like this Russian crap we get it move on no let's keep on and on about it it's the past you can't change the past. I'm sick of everything being political where you could stand for the anthem and your for a political party you eat at a restaurant for political party. Its everywhere when for once can politics stay out of normal life. And how we know there wasn't biased from an political party I just think we won't know the whole story till Trump is out of office. The media is a tricky manipulator to trick people into believing things. I'm not alone who believes this. I'm not stuck in 2016 because things didn't go my way I move on that's maturity and growing up. And I am more concerned about other things like my health its called my day to day life for me. And if you think I'm not a patriot I'm surrounded by 16 American flags in my room from large to small and I'm a big fan of flags and I refuse to buy any Russian or Chinese flags.
  • 007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Have you not been paying attention to pop culture or politics the last few years? Star Wars has changed dramatically and gotten "woke", so has Doctor Who (now played by a woman), a black Nick Fury, Marvel comics is rife with race/gender swapping, etc, etc. Now it's bleeding over into the films of Marvel with Thor now being a woman in the upcoming film.

    This trend has impacted Bond as well during Craig's era. Black Felix, Moneypenny, female M before Craig took over, and now a female minority taking the 007 code. Oh, and an openly gay villain with Silva. This has been coming for a long time and it's obvious to anyone what they are doing; it's only a matter of how far and how quick to keep pushing.

    "Gotten woke"? Going back to 1983, George Lucas had planned a female lead for Episodes 7, 8 and 9. Nick Fury being black happened in the Ultimate Marvel comics in 2002 (which is why Samuel L Jackson is playing him now), and Thor became a woman almost if not over a decade ago.

    I guess the changing social climate -- a climate Bond films have always tried to keep up with -- is too much for you. Bond should still obviously be fighting the Soviet Union now decades after their dissolution.

    There's a point where conservativeness just becomes stagnation. Stop trying to stagnate Bond.

    While I largely agree with your position, I'd like to point out: conservatives LIKE Russia now. Refusal to stagnate -- or co-opted without even realizing it? You pays your money and you choose: shaken or stirred?

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Conservatives don't like Russia

    Tell that to Donald Trump.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs why don't you you seem obsessed with him

    No, I am seriously concerned for the well being of my country, as any patriot would be. Especially with Russian counter-intelligence meddling in our elections and the likes of Trump and McConnell studiously ignoring the fact. Anyone who cares for the USA SHOULD be concerned. You, on the other hand, seem obsessed with opposing "wokeness" wherever you find it. Grow up and find something meaningful to be concerned about.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs I'm not obsessed with opposing wokeness I don't care for it but they have opinions and I respect them I'm just sick of political games and that includes today's hearings let's move on as people. I'm also sick of people overreacting to one comment.

    Says the man who responds to one comment twice.
  • 007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Have you not been paying attention to pop culture or politics the last few years? Star Wars has changed dramatically and gotten "woke", so has Doctor Who (now played by a woman), a black Nick Fury, Marvel comics is rife with race/gender swapping, etc, etc. Now it's bleeding over into the films of Marvel with Thor now being a woman in the upcoming film.

    This trend has impacted Bond as well during Craig's era. Black Felix, Moneypenny, female M before Craig took over, and now a female minority taking the 007 code. Oh, and an openly gay villain with Silva. This has been coming for a long time and it's obvious to anyone what they are doing; it's only a matter of how far and how quick to keep pushing.

    "Gotten woke"? Going back to 1983, George Lucas had planned a female lead for Episodes 7, 8 and 9. Nick Fury being black happened in the Ultimate Marvel comics in 2002 (which is why Samuel L Jackson is playing him now), and Thor became a woman almost if not over a decade ago.

    I guess the changing social climate -- a climate Bond films have always tried to keep up with -- is too much for you. Bond should still obviously be fighting the Soviet Union now decades after their dissolution.

    There's a point where conservativeness just becomes stagnation. Stop trying to stagnate Bond.

    While I largely agree with your position, I'd like to point out: conservatives LIKE Russia now. Refusal to stagnate -- or co-opted without even realizing it? You pays your money and you choose: shaken or stirred?

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Conservatives don't like Russia

    Tell that to Donald Trump.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs why don't you you seem obsessed with him

    No, I am seriously concerned for the well being of my country, as any patriot would be. Especially with Russian counter-intelligence meddling in our elections and the likes of Trump and McConnell studiously ignoring the fact. Anyone who cares for the USA SHOULD be concerned. You, on the other hand, seem obsessed with opposing "wokeness" wherever you find it. Grow up and find something meaningful to be concerned about.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Excuse me I don't care about wokeness but what it is doing isn't really helping either side. just sick of it every where just like this Russian crap we get it move on no let's keep on and on about it it's the past you can't change the past. I'm sick of everything being political where you could stand for the anthem and your for a political party you eat at a restaurant for political party. Its everywhere when for once can politics stay out of normal life. And how we know there wasn't biased from an political party I just think we won't know the whole story till Trump is out of office. The media is a tricky manipulator to trick people into believing things. I'm not alone who believes this. I'm not stuck in 2016 because things didn't go my way I move on that's maturity and growing up. And I am more concerned about other things like my health its called my day to day life for me. And if you think I'm not a patriot I'm surrounded by 16 American flags in my room from large to small and I'm a big fan of flags and I refuse to buy any Russian or Chinese flags.

    "Let's move on" because the hearings today exposed just how devious a traitor Trump really is. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain... but you may want to take a good luck at some of those many flags you own. I'm willing to bet that at least a few of them were made in China.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Sani wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    while James Bond will still be the focus

    It's not certain yet, but it's likely.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    and still a white man as Fleming created

    Fleming created not just a white man but James Bond as 007.

    Yeah it's just one film though it's not going to be the future of the franchise

    You're basing this claim on what evidence?

    You're assuming it will be the future of the franchise based on what evidence.

    Have you not been paying attention to pop culture or politics the last few years? Star Wars has changed dramatically and gotten "woke", so has Doctor Who (now played by a woman), a black Nick Fury, Marvel comics is rife with race/gender swapping, etc, etc. Now it's bleeding over into the films of Marvel with Thor now being a woman in the upcoming film.

    This trend has impacted Bond as well during Craig's era. Black Felix, Moneypenny, female M before Craig took over, and now a female minority taking the 007 code. Oh, and an openly gay villain with Silva. This has been coming for a long time and it's obvious to anyone what they are doing; it's only a matter of how far and how quick to keep pushing.

    "Gotten woke"? Going back to 1983, George Lucas had planned a female lead for Episodes 7, 8 and 9. Nick Fury being black happened in the Ultimate Marvel comics in 2002 (which is why Samuel L Jackson is playing him now), and Thor became a woman almost if not over a decade ago.

    I guess the changing social climate -- a climate Bond films have always tried to keep up with -- is too much for you. Bond should still obviously be fighting the Soviet Union now decades after their dissolution.

    There's a point where conservativeness just becomes stagnation. Stop trying to stagnate Bond.

    While I largely agree with your position, I'd like to point out: conservatives LIKE Russia now. Refusal to stagnate -- or co-opted without even realizing it? You pays your money and you choose: shaken or stirred?

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Conservatives don't like Russia

    Tell that to Donald Trump.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs why don't you you seem obsessed with him

    No, I am seriously concerned for the well being of my country, as any patriot would be. Especially with Russian counter-intelligence meddling in our elections and the likes of Trump and McConnell studiously ignoring the fact. Anyone who cares for the USA SHOULD be concerned. You, on the other hand, seem obsessed with opposing "wokeness" wherever you find it. Grow up and find something meaningful to be concerned about.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs Excuse me I don't care about wokeness but what it is doing isn't really helping either side. just sick of it every where just like this Russian crap we get it move on no let's keep on and on about it it's the past you can't change the past. I'm sick of everything being political where you could stand for the anthem and your for a political party you eat at a restaurant for political party. Its everywhere when for once can politics stay out of normal life. And how we know there wasn't biased from an political party I just think we won't know the whole story till Trump is out of office. The media is a tricky manipulator to trick people into believing things. I'm not alone who believes this. I'm not stuck in 2016 because things didn't go my way I move on that's maturity and growing up. And I am more concerned about other things like my health its called my day to day life for me. And if you think I'm not a patriot I'm surrounded by 16 American flags in my room from large to small and I'm a big fan of flags and I refuse to buy any Russian or Chinese flags.

    "Let's move on" because the hearings today exposed just how devious a traitor Trump really is. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain... but you may want to take a good luck at some of those many flags you own. I'm willing to bet that at least a few of them were made in China.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs He is president whether people hate him or love him but it's hard to know what is true and what isn't anymore just look at tabloids nothing is clear cut anymore. Putin is definitely not dumb thats one thing and I'm not dumb Putin is one heck of a bastard let's move on actually surprisingly they are made in USA I know it's a miracle lol ;) but it's all over the packaging. That's another problem is we need things to stop being made over seas and made here but yeah let's move on.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,179
    Calling out Trump’s BS is as American as baseball, so I applaud those that speak out.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Calling out Trump’s BS is as American as baseball, so I applaud those that speak out.

    @MakeshiftPython good to hear 👏 let's move on
  • Hard to know what's true? Read the Muller report, that at least was made in the USA.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Let's get back on topic please. Leave the politics out.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,126
    Hard to know what's true? Read the Muller report, that at least was made in the USA.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs I guess whatever comes out of the media is always right then. So you say my American flags came from China they got shipped with from the states its over the shipping records and it says made in the USA and proudly made. I have read it and have I get mixed feelings. Half of me thinks its true half me thinks its bias because its says people who worked on it didn't like the president something about being part of the resistance I thought we were moving on.
  • Murdock wrote: »
    Let's get back on topic please. Leave the politics out.

    Wish I could, Murdock old boy. I'll be responding to this point at length when I get a little time. Maybe this evening.
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Hard to know what's true? Read the Muller report, that at least was made in the USA.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs I guess whatever comes out of the media is always right then. So you say my American flags came from China they got shipped with from the states its over the shipping records and it says made in the USA and proudly made. I have read it and have I get mixed feelings. Half of me thinks its true half me thinks its bias because its says people who worked on it didn't like the president something about being part of the resistance I thought we were moving on.

    Try considering your sources. DJT was a well-known liar before he ever got into politics. His own friends have said, "He'll lie to you just to keep in practice." Fox News was designed to be a mouthpiece for the Republican Party so you can't really take them at face value either. Long-time reputable news sources can be expected to be a bit more reliable in what they have to say on a topic...but I like to get my news from a variety of sources and sift through the chaff myself. MUCH of the stuff that is sold in the US these days is made in China -- if your flags are all old then maybe they were made back when the US was actually in the manufacturing business. Your last sentence is sorta confusing -- you may want to rewrite it into at least two different senetences. But as for moving on? No, sorry -- per Muller's testimony yesterday, the Russians are planning on meddling in the 2020 elections the same way they did with 2016. Trump doesn't want you to believe it, and McConnell is sitting on several election security bills passed by the Democratic House so we can assume he doesn't want to prevent the Russian meddling either -- but the FBI believes very strongly that Russian election meddling is NOT a hoax. Who do you believe? (Not what do you WANT to believe -- that's a very different question!)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,126
    Murdock wrote: »
    Let's get back on topic please. Leave the politics out.

    Wish I could, Murdock old boy. I'll be responding to this point at length when I get a little time. Maybe this evening.
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Hard to know what's true? Read the Muller report, that at least was made in the USA.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs I guess whatever comes out of the media is always right then. So you say my American flags came from China they got shipped with from the states its over the shipping records and it says made in the USA and proudly made. I have read it and have I get mixed feelings. Half of me thinks its true half me thinks its bias because its says people who worked on it didn't like the president something about being part of the resistance I thought we were moving on.

    Try considering your sources. DJT was a well-known liar before he ever got into politics. His own friends have said, "He'll lie to you just to keep in practice." Fox News was designed to be a mouthpiece for the Republican Party so you can't really take them at face value either. Long-time reputable news sources can be expected to be a bit more reliable in what they have to say on a topic...but I like to get my news from a variety of sources and sift through the chaff myself. MUCH of the stuff that is sold in the US these days is made in China -- if your flags are all old then maybe they were made back when the US was actually in the manufacturing business. Your last sentence is sorta confusing -- you may want to rewrite it into at least two different senetences. But as for moving on? No, sorry -- per Muller's testimony yesterday, the Russians are planning on meddling in the 2020 elections the same way they did with 2016. Trump doesn't want you to believe it, and McConnell is sitting on several election security bills passed by the Democratic House so we can assume he doesn't want to prevent the Russian meddling either -- but the FBI believes very strongly that Russian election meddling is NOT a hoax. Who do you believe? (Not what do you WANT to believe -- that's a very different question!)

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs yeah I tend to be a bit gibberish when it comes to typing. it's a who who trust sort of thing with everything from politics to where things were made it's sad because they used to all be trust worthy like Walter Cronkite and the news back then now you don't know what is truth or biased or what that's why I just stopped watching national news period if I had to watch the news I go for variety too. I watch CNN to BBC to CBS if I feel like it but I usually avoid national news really I watch BBC the most because they are an out of country source unless it's some catastrophe or some famous person died I watch the news then. The news was preference now it's a guessing game. I guess I can hope all my flags were truly made in the United States or anything you would think the mail service is credible but I'm not surprised with anything anymore its sad. I bought a 007 hat supposed to be i thought made in England I look on the tag it was made from Guangzhou, China it's like really lol it looks like it's not just a U S issue how cheap are companies getting. let's move on so this doesn't turn into the political thread with other people involved ;) I think we both agree that we know politics are a disaster to the thread. All I want is a united Country like back in World War 2 things have sure changed since then.
  • 007Blofeld wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Let's get back on topic please. Leave the politics out.

    Wish I could, Murdock old boy. I'll be responding to this point at length when I get a little time. Maybe this evening.
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Hard to know what's true? Read the Muller report, that at least was made in the USA.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs I guess whatever comes out of the media is always right then. So you say my American flags came from China they got shipped with from the states its over the shipping records and it says made in the USA and proudly made. I have read it and have I get mixed feelings. Half of me thinks its true half me thinks its bias because its says people who worked on it didn't like the president something about being part of the resistance I thought we were moving on.

    Try considering your sources. DJT was a well-known liar before he ever got into politics. His own friends have said, "He'll lie to you just to keep in practice." Fox News was designed to be a mouthpiece for the Republican Party so you can't really take them at face value either. Long-time reputable news sources can be expected to be a bit more reliable in what they have to say on a topic...but I like to get my news from a variety of sources and sift through the chaff myself. MUCH of the stuff that is sold in the US these days is made in China -- if your flags are all old then maybe they were made back when the US was actually in the manufacturing business. Your last sentence is sorta confusing -- you may want to rewrite it into at least two different senetences. But as for moving on? No, sorry -- per Muller's testimony yesterday, the Russians are planning on meddling in the 2020 elections the same way they did with 2016. Trump doesn't want you to believe it, and McConnell is sitting on several election security bills passed by the Democratic House so we can assume he doesn't want to prevent the Russian meddling either -- but the FBI believes very strongly that Russian election meddling is NOT a hoax. Who do you believe? (Not what do you WANT to believe -- that's a very different question!)

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs yeah I tend to be a bit gibberish when it comes to typing. it's a who who trust sort of thing with everything from politics to where things were made it's sad because they used to all be trust worthy like Walter Cronkite and the news back then now you don't know what is truth or biased or what that's why I just stopped watching national news period if I had to watch the news I go for variety too. I watch CNN to BBC to CBS if I feel like it but I usually avoid national news really I watch BBC the most because they are an out of country source unless it's some catastrophe or some famous person died I watch the news then. The news was preference now it's a guessing game. I guess I can hope all my flags were truly made in the United States or anything you would think the mail service is credible but I'm not surprised with anything anymore its sad. I bought a 007 hat supposed to be i thought made in England I look on the tag it was made from Guangzhou, China it's like really lol it looks like it's not just a U S issue how cheap are companies getting. let's move on so this doesn't turn into the political thread with other people involved ;) I think we both agree that we know politics are a disaster to the thread. All I want is a united Country like back in World War 2 things have sure changed since then.

    There's a term for what you're experiencing. It's called "gaslighting." The wikipedia definition is: "Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity." The practical application as we've been experiencing it is: being lied to often enough that we're not sure WHO to believe. Don't let the gaslighters win. Just as simple, and just as complex, as that.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2019 Posts: 18,263
    Hard to know what's true? Read the Muller report, that at least was made in the USA.

    There's not really that much to read when you take out all that's been redacted! I saw it for sale in a bookshop here in the UK recently. It's a bit like the microfilm in film version of The Spy Who Loved Me in that regard.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Let's get back on topic please. Leave the politics out.

    Wish I could, Murdock old boy. I'll be responding to this point at length when I get a little time. Maybe this evening.
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Hard to know what's true? Read the Muller report, that at least was made in the USA.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs I guess whatever comes out of the media is always right then. So you say my American flags came from China they got shipped with from the states its over the shipping records and it says made in the USA and proudly made. I have read it and have I get mixed feelings. Half of me thinks its true half me thinks its bias because its says people who worked on it didn't like the president something about being part of the resistance I thought we were moving on.

    Try considering your sources. DJT was a well-known liar before he ever got into politics. His own friends have said, "He'll lie to you just to keep in practice." Fox News was designed to be a mouthpiece for the Republican Party so you can't really take them at face value either. Long-time reputable news sources can be expected to be a bit more reliable in what they have to say on a topic...but I like to get my news from a variety of sources and sift through the chaff myself. MUCH of the stuff that is sold in the US these days is made in China -- if your flags are all old then maybe they were made back when the US was actually in the manufacturing business. Your last sentence is sorta confusing -- you may want to rewrite it into at least two different senetences. But as for moving on? No, sorry -- per Muller's testimony yesterday, the Russians are planning on meddling in the 2020 elections the same way they did with 2016. Trump doesn't want you to believe it, and McConnell is sitting on several election security bills passed by the Democratic House so we can assume he doesn't want to prevent the Russian meddling either -- but the FBI believes very strongly that Russian election meddling is NOT a hoax. Who do you believe? (Not what do you WANT to believe -- that's a very different question!)

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs yeah I tend to be a bit gibberish when it comes to typing. it's a who who trust sort of thing with everything from politics to where things were made it's sad because they used to all be trust worthy like Walter Cronkite and the news back then now you don't know what is truth or biased or what that's why I just stopped watching national news period if I had to watch the news I go for variety too. I watch CNN to BBC to CBS if I feel like it but I usually avoid national news really I watch BBC the most because they are an out of country source unless it's some catastrophe or some famous person died I watch the news then. The news was preference now it's a guessing game. I guess I can hope all my flags were truly made in the United States or anything you would think the mail service is credible but I'm not surprised with anything anymore its sad. I bought a 007 hat supposed to be i thought made in England I look on the tag it was made from Guangzhou, China it's like really lol it looks like it's not just a U S issue how cheap are companies getting. let's move on so this doesn't turn into the political thread with other people involved ;) I think we both agree that we know politics are a disaster to the thread. All I want is a united Country like back in World War 2 things have sure changed since then.

    There's a term for what you're experiencing. It's called "gaslighting." The wikipedia definition is: "Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity." The practical application as we've been experiencing it is: being lied to often enough that we're not sure WHO to believe. Don't let the gaslighters win. Just as simple, and just as complex, as that.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs thanks for the advice ;)
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,996
    One of the funnier videos among all this madness!

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,767
    That commenter has got his brain right and he said so.

  • edited July 2019 Posts: 6,709
    One of the funnier videos among all this madness!


    I'm sorry but this is just brilliant! Very well done. Can't help but agree with it all.

    Still, I'm hoping this is just a media hyperbole and that none of the will translate into the final film. IF it does, IF the final product is a 21st century y-gen pro-metoo hysteria sissy film, I'll be vocal about it. We all will be vocal about it. And they'll make amends for the 26th, like they've always done throughout the years. So, no worries here. Not that many, anyway. Can't really see Daniel Craig being THAT Bond. That emasculated, neutered y-gen man-bun, checkered shirt wearing sissy that now abounds. But, I guess time will tell.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,996
    Univex wrote: »
    One of the funnier videos among all this madness!


    I'm sorry but this is just brilliant! Very well done. Can't help but agree with it all.

    Still, I'm hoping this is just a media hyperbole and that none of the will translate into the final film. IF it does, IF the final product is a 21st century y-gen pro-metoo hysteria sissy film, I'll be vocal about it. We all will be vocal about it. And they'll make amends for the 26th, like they've always done throughout the years. So, no worries here. Not that many, anyway. Can't really see Daniel Craig being THAT Bond. That emasculated, neutered y-gen man-bun, checkered shirt wearing sissy that now abounds. But, I guess time will tell.

    Dicovered this guy 'The Critical Drinker' the other day, and his disections of other movies are just as funny.

    His sarcastic, slurred Scottish accent is a joy!
  • Posts: 6,709
    Univex wrote: »
    One of the funnier videos among all this madness!


    I'm sorry but this is just brilliant! Very well done. Can't help but agree with it all.

    Still, I'm hoping this is just a media hyperbole and that none of the will translate into the final film. IF it does, IF the final product is a 21st century y-gen pro-metoo hysteria sissy film, I'll be vocal about it. We all will be vocal about it. And they'll make amends for the 26th, like they've always done throughout the years. So, no worries here. Not that many, anyway. Can't really see Daniel Craig being THAT Bond. That emasculated, neutered y-gen man-bun, checkered shirt wearing sissy that now abounds. But, I guess time will tell.

    Dicovered this guy 'The Critical Drinker' the other day, and his disections of other movies are just as funny.

    His sarcastic, slurred Scottish accent is a joy!

    I'm checking his videos out right now. Thank you for this ;)
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2019 Posts: 5,970
    I personally believe the media are the ones hyping this up and blowing it way out of proportion. Yes, Barbara Broccoli may have stated that this will be a "Bond film of the #MeToo-era", but that doesn't have to mean the whole film will be a piece of feminist propaganda. I'm gonna post some PWB quotes here:

    But it’s mainly about making them feel like real people, you know? Which they do in the previous films. I think Daniel’s films have had really fantastic Bond girls, so it’s just keeping it up.

    There’s been a lot of talk about whether or not [the Bond franchise] is relevant now because of who he is and the way he treats women,” she said. “I think that’s bollocks. I think he’s absolutely relevant now."

    It has just got to grow. It has just got to evolve, and the important thing is that the film treats the women properly. He doesn’t have to. He needs to be true to this character.

    I just want to make sure that when they get those pages through, that Lashana [Lynch], Léa [Seydoux] and Ana [de Armas] open them and go: ‘I can’t wait to do that.’ As an actress, I very rarely had that feeling early in my career. That brings me much pleasure, knowing that I’m giving that to an actress.

    And while yes we discussed Naomie Harris' interview, where she states:

    "We're seeing a real evolution of his character,' she says of the new and improved James Bond. He's now having equal relationships with the female characters and he's emotionally attached, making real connections."

    So while you may Naomie has contradicted Phoebe here but she really hasn't, because showing those equal relationships is still true to his character, because he has had equal relationships and has respect for his colleagues and co-workers. Also, equal relationships and respect doesn't mean he's not a womaniser or a player when it comes to the females, if that's what you're worried about missing, because if you didn't know you can have respect for someone and still want to sleep with them? It's pretty normal.

    I think the changes their hinting at is just how it's presented, by introducing interesting characters that can still have the same interactions with Bond, but are just not as overly sexualised. For example, the Severine shower-scene which put a lot of people of. That's something that felt odd to a lot of people and I think when Phoebe says "the film treats the women properly", she means that when Bond seduces the Bond girl it feels more realistic, character driven and not like James Bond just randomly wandered into the shower of a former sex worker to have sex with her.

    It's tricky but I don't think it's gonna be as bad of a change as you think.
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