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Nope, if he hasn't seen the film i couldn't care less about his opinion.
Yeah true he does have some good humor though as always. He has definitely been really negative about the whole film.
Of course, your opinion is valid, as are mine, but I feel that the people giving this idea a chance are thinking about the film itself and how it could be great, rather than its "agenda", and how it can be bad, and honestly, if this is what it takes for women to get better writing and better opportunities in mainstream cinema, then I have to be all for it because without decisions like this a lot of the best cinematic female characters wouldn't exist.
Just think about all the people that were against women even appearing in a film, or being more than just the girl on the arm of our favourite character. If these things hadn't happened we probably wouldn't have characters like Fiona Volpe, Xenia Onatopp or Michelle Pheiffer's Catwoman.
As for the "007" thing. It's been proven that sequels, reboots and prequels are more appealing to audiences, so to me, the idea of the new will always scare people no matter what.
So combine that enjoyment for more sequels and more of what we know, with the negative rants about a feminist agenda that at the end of the day is for the best and might actually work.
I mean the negativity after Spectre was bad this makes it look like nothing. I always have to remind myself it's just one film whatever happens.
Really, we need to relax on the negativity, doom and gloom, and slamming women, slamming political correctness (which for the most part is justified and an improvement in this world).
We obviously need some real news, new photos, and are nearly gnawing off our limbs in anticipation of an actual trailer, teaser or whatever kind. I'm enjoying myself because I don't have the angst with any of this. I'm really excited about Bond 25, love the cast, and haven't read anything upsetting so far.
Cheers! I hope you all have a good, positive, enjoyable weekend. Maybe read some Fleming or watch a Bond film. Or just indulge in other things you like to give yourself a break. B-)
@4EverBonded I have of course different political views but I'm all for strong women characters I just hate the instantly negativity with the story after not even having a trailer or the film to judge. I will say I was one of those people but I'm not anymore and the whole thing is just getting tiresome. I will try to it's a noisy world out there.
Regardless I don't think the formula is the problem, it's the execution, and the writing.
A very, very good post. Thank you!
To me, this is scary:
"The top-ten, box-office blockbusters of 2018 consist entirely of remakes, sequels, and films based on old comic book characters.
Creative people no longer create but copy. They do this because those marketing artistic creations find it easier to market a known commodity to the public than the unknown. This fosters decay. We live off the fumes of the past even as we ridicule it as backward, bland, and politically incorrect."
https://spectator.org/reboots-remakes-ruin-hollywood/
So long to creative original content
What is meant by this? We've had loads of strong female agents in the franchise history. This is hardly a new idea which they just though of. Its a trope at this point. The only difference here is that it involves James Bonds moniker. And why wouldn't they be uncomfortable? As if anyone goes to the cinema specifically to see Bond not being 007. Imagine all those people going to see the previous 24 installments and being disappointed that Bond was 007 everytime. Again, make her 003 and 98% of fan outrage goes away instantly. That would make a more interesting story in my view, with M torn between who he can rely on most, the old cynical 007 or the young hotshot Nomi.
Without context none of these news matter. And since tabloids never provide any (thats their whole business strategy) we won't know what is trully going on until we see the film.
This Nomi being 007 thing could be the most minor plot point, only used for a throwaway joke, or it could be a big Deal. We. don't. know. And even if it's a bigger deal there is still the question how it's implemented in the story and how the characters around her are dealing with it, how it's contextualized in the world.
It would be like leaking the 'sexist mysoginist' speech from Goldeneye before the movie came out and pretend that this is what the whole movie is about. You would have literally created the same controversy that we have right now.
And why stop there, put on top that 'Serena Gordon' has been cast as a Bond girl to represent 'real' women that don't look like they come straight from a catwalk, hastag metoo at the end and you have a bondfan meltdown of epic proportions (i should work at a tabloid).
Of course in hindsight none of it matters because everyone got a chance to see it implemented in the final film and contextualized in a way that never made Bond look weak. He just keeps being Bond. Thats the context that is missing here. And now we have to talk for 7 month about this crap, welcome to the brave new Internet World.
You could have done that with half the films in the franchise. Just keep the context to yourself and trigger the s**t out of gullible fans:
MWTGG: Bond will hardly exercise his Licence To Kill in the new Bond film, and reportedly only kill once. this is thought to be a move by producers to make the series more kid friendly.
OHMSS: Bonds womanizing days are Over! Producers have decided to make Bond marry in the new film. This is believed by many to be an attempt to get more women into the franchise.
MR: The new Bond girl will not wear a Bikini, and will be mostly clothed in baggy clothing etc. In an attempt to make the films more female friendly...
LALD: Bond sleeps with a black girl. Diversity, inclusion, blah blah.. Same for AVTAK.
And don't get me started on the Dalton era, but i'm not a fan so i rather not talk about that.
I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about it. Only thing left to do is, as @4EverBonded suggested wisely, to get a life, and chillax :)
It's branding, it's just an easy way for people to instantly remember James Bond, and that'll still be the case regardless of who holds the mantle, so for one film, why not have the mantle taken up by a new female character...
...and while the 003-angle could work, it's not exactly interesting or fresh enough and it creates nothing more than what making her 007 could do. Making her 007 introduces more conflict between characters, in which all stories need to move forward, creates a new dynamic between James Bond and the Bond girl, and makes a realistic statement about the world we live in today. If you quit your job tomorrow, it's probably a 50/50 chance your replacement is a woman.
Anyway, if you think about two 007's are probably better than one.
How exactly does making her 007 create more conflict for the characters?
In many different ways, but the obvious one is a retired James Bond meeting his replacement, and literally interacting with a strong agent who could be a representation of his life as 00.
I think it'll be interesting for them to butt heads maybe and then eventually find mutual respect for each-other through character development which is created through conflict. They may have the respect from the start, but we know Craig's Bond will definitely have fun bantering with the new 007.
As well as possible conflict between Nomi and the MI6 team, and you know if Blofeld meets her, he's gonna be all over that. Blofeld getting to meet the 007 who has replaced his worst enemy? He'll have a field day.
And obviously the conflict depends on her personality and what kind of person she is, not just her role as the new 007.
And it shows the audience, without the need to say a word, that these two characters are on equal standing and are fighting over the same Position.
For example Nomi possibly taunting Bond that he's an old has been weights a lot more if she's 007, instead of her just being a random 00. Also we don't really know anything about other 00's in the Craig continuity, maybe they have completely different skillsets and assignments. That's what I always thought looking at the other 00's in TB and TWINE.
Maybe M made Nomi 007 because he thought she was the best, and that number was always associated with the best.
Again context is the key word here. Without it, all this blabbering on about is pointless. We don't have context and will probably not have it until the film comes out, or the Script leaks (god forbid)
I will take a break for a couple days as well, and see if i can Plan a Trip to Matera.
What does the caption say? Difficult to read the red text against the background.
@Torgeirtrap
"Today's a Day to be in nature. Hope you're out somewhere nice."
Thanks!
I realize it's not Bond-related, but was a nice moment - like something from a classic Disney film.
It was exactly what this thread needed. ;)
Any thread is better with some Naomie Harris!
She's also immensely charming and intelligent in interviews:
I don't think she's unattractive, but she isn't doing herself any favors with that triggered-feminist-haircut.
A slightly longer, Halle Berry type haircut would be ideal for her (and make her look 10 years younger.)
I have a suspicion that she is a lesbian though, in which case i'm sure she couldn't care less about any of our opinions.[Edit: since everyone has lost their marbles nowadays i have to clarify: Me assuming her being lesbian has nothing to do with her hair, i've been following her for some time online, and people do speculate whether she is straight or gay, personally i don't have a problem with either]
She seems to be extremely private about her orientation, so IF she's lesbian, i don't think she would ever use it in a Film, but imagine her and Bond hitting on the same woman, lol.
I don't think it's a 'feminist haircut'. It's her natural hair. Afro hair can be difficult to style for women. You can relax it or have a weave put it. You can even wear wigs. When you see Halle Berry, Beyonce or Meghan Markle they have done something similar.
Lashana has simply decided to go with her natural hair. It's less high-maintenance for her to maintain and it looks great on her. There's nothing 'feminist' or queer about it. It's just the way her hair grows.
I'm not talking about the style of her hair but the lenght of it.
This would be a great haircut for her as well:
And I haven't said that i think she is lesbian because of her haircut. It's just a suspicion i have based on what i've seen of her (tons of interviews, Captain Mavel, behind the scenes stuff). So it could be complete BS, i'm not all knowing. Personally i couldn't care less if it's not reflected in her B25 role, and as far as i remember we never had an (openly) lesbian character(?) so i don't think that will change now. But this is probably not a good place to discuss any of this.
This is much better, imo. Very cool.