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No, I am not okay with that. I am not a fan of toying with the identity of well established characters.
Some of them say that, yes; some of them are clearly offended because of her gender and background. I don't understand either point of view: I can't imagine anything less important than which codename Bond is operating under when you're watching a thrilling action scene.
M, Moneypenny, Felix. All "toyed" with and all successful.
For example, it's known that having good representation and having your main characters be of a realistic and multicultural ethnicity works well for cinema. Despite everything Captain Marvel did great at the box-office, making just over what Skyfall made and Black Panther making even more than that. So why wouldn't the producers and writers over at EON think...
"Hold on, our franchise is having trouble resonating with modern audiences How can we do this?"
Oh it's obvious. We have more representation for our main characters, not just physically but actually doing more with the characters and changing up the dynamic.
But let’s not forget the main thing here: Danjaq own the cinematic Bond and they decide what to do with that character, not you. What makes you naysayers think you know better than a business that’s been successfully running the franchise for over half a century? When you stamp your feet about something like this you just come off as childish because you’re not getting your way. Because it’s not going the way you think it should. You’re fans, experts even. But do you know what’s best for Bond? What qualifies you to say what should be done above those who have made it their lives work? At the end of the day, it’s your opinion and you’re welcome to express it, but it doesn’t make it right or factual.
But this is all assuming you are honest when you say “it’s nothing to do with gender or race”, but when race and gender are continually used in your arguments then it’s hard to believe it’s not a problem for you.
I think you did understand you are just trying to pretend that you don't and keep asking me the same question again & again just to annoy me.
Read it once again,
I have no issue if she is 007. I said it's an stupid idea. If they cast Henry Cavill as 007 instead of her I will stand by my statement "it's an stupid idea" it has nothing to do with race/gender. Hope it's clear now and if it isn't then sayonara.
Fans like the things they're fans of to stay the same because that's what they became fans of: I can understand that. But this is clearly just a temporary change- it's like complaining that he didn't wear a tuxedo in Live and Let and Die. It's trivial.
As to her losing the number, well I'm trying to think of any character who comes out of the Bond movies looking better than Bond himself- it doesn't really happen. For another character to be proven not-quite-as-good-as-Bond is no big shock, is it? If she gets it taken away it'll likely be because she's betrayed the service or she's dead, not because she's a woman and can't run in heels! :)
She just... won't. They'll play with their toys as they always do: you've got to mix things around. But they're not going to remove the 007 from James Bond long term.
100% agreed on the first bolded sentence but the second is slightly incorrect, for she is being used BECAUSE of her race and gender. Poor girl. It's not her fault at all and I don't blame her for taking the role. Who wouldn't? But the powers-that-be are using her as a political tool and it's wrong.
"James Bond will be turned into a ‘#metoo feminist icon’ thanks to feisty Bond girls and Fleabag writer Phoebe Waller-Bridge. 007 is set to get dragged into the 21st Century with a feminist makeover"
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/8942445/james-bond-feminist-icon-fleabag-phoebe-waller-bridge/
I would say that we are way past just a "gimmick" here.
However, I think creating this dynamic with Bond is also fine line that could backfire on them, especially if they make Nomi look any lesser. If it's a great move for women, why can't she keep the number? And also, if she's special, why is she a one and done Bond girl (assuming she's not returning if/when the franchise is rebooted after Craig)? Those are the questions I hope they are able to handle well.
Thank you, yes; you've said that far more eloquently than I did! :)
You know it's happened loads of times, though?
Spider Man Into the Spider Verse: big hit.
Oh no no what I meant when I said it has nothing to do about her race/gender is:
She is a terrific actress and I would have loved to see her as 00 agent just not 007. I am not discriminating her because she is black or a woman but because of the idea and the one's behind that idea. For me James bond is 007 and 007 is James bond.
But again, they are NOT doing it for good reasons like to serve the story or make the film better. It's ONLY to pander to the SJW crowd. If you don't believe that you are in deep denial.
Well @FrankXavier, nothing's actually set in stone and just really rumours, so she may keep the number? It depends what they do with Bond. Just because James Bond is helping with the mission, doesn't mean she'll get demoted. I think she'll be a one-and-done Bond girl more because of the next Bond being a complete reset. If not she could return but I don't know if they will. She's still a Bond girl, and its very rare they stick around.
Oh, plenty have, they’re just a vocal minority. There’s definitely a subset of old fans that don’t want the world around James Bond to change.
My father is 69 now he only liked Bernard & Judi's M , he don't even remember the rest.
My father is 69 now and he only liked Bernard & Judi's M , he don't even remember the rest. "Old fan"s I don't think so. I think they are more concerned about the quality then gender.
I said subset
Oh is this another 'b-b-b-bit that's different!" "Why?" "Because it is!" :D I think you really need to do better than that.
How about the end of Dark Knight Rises? Any scene from the 60s Batman series where Alfred took over from Bruce because he was away?
Or have a look at the original comics -the form the fans of Batman and Spider-Man actually like best- and work out that many different characters have become Spidey and Bats over the years. I don't have to do better than that.
Well these folks are all vaguely intelligent: they know in a James Bond film that James Bond comes out on top in the end. I don't think she's going to made to look a fool.
These are not healthy minds we're dealing with here.
Indeed, yes. Looking at Dark Knight Rises (and apologies if you haven't seen it!) that film ends with Bruce Wayne giving up being Batman and another character taking on the mantle. And yet, the character isn't done with: the film series got rebooted and, guess what? Bruce is Bats again :)
So it could well end with Nomi being 007 and Bond going off into the sunset, but if the series gets another reboot it'll be starring James Bond 007 once again.
Ha! I didn't notice that before :D
I don't know about anyone else, but when terms such as 'SJW' start getting thrown around it just makes the discussion reductive and childish. It's the sort of term I expect to see on comic book forums where the audience are, well, mostly a lot younger than the people here I assume.
I'm all for a discussion on the female 007 point, but guys, let's be mature and not use schoolyard taunts. I'm sure we are all better than that. Plus, once the term starts getting used, the natural response is for people to disregard any opinion you espouse as belong to a "man baby". Which I'm certain isn't the case.
If you want to discuss the matter properly, let's do it. Currently, I haven't seen one persuasive argument why a female 007 is a bad idea.
If anything, I was hesitant on Lynch's casting, but now I'm all in....
Can we get some Nomi fan art?