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I wouldn't want to see "elaborating" on that position as much as "justifying" it. M clearly wasn't INTENDED as a traditional Bond girl, Vesper and Madeline are considered to be quite attractive by many fans, etc. The Bond films have always changed with the times. That's one of their great strengths. If you need the Bond films to have more "feminine" airheads in them, you'll need to set your Wayback machine to 1985 or so...
First female 00 agent who is suspected to be playing 007 isn't a lead?
If you need justification atleast try to quote me directly.
M clearly wasn't intended as a traditional bond girl sure, but she wasn't exactly a traditional M as well. She would still be counted as main lead actress of SF or Craig Era. Funny that you say that bond films have change with time as till SF almost every single actress have died in the series and till DAD almost every film ended with a kiss, coincidence? SF was the first film were M was in lead, coincidence? NTTD might have a first female 007, another funny coincidence. I am sure all this coincidence has nothing to do with today's times. If you want to see arrogant women pretending to be confident, go ahead but you don't have any right to tell others what they should prefer.
Talk back? I am going to quote bond from CR which explains it better :
"This one overcompensates by wearing slightly masculine clothing, being more aggressive than her female colleagues, which gives her a somewhat prickly demeanour and ironically enough, makes it less likely her to be accepted and promoted by her male superiors who mistakes her insecurities for arrogance".
Léa Seydoux is the top billed actress of the cast. That pretty much says she's the leading actress of the film.
Nomi gets more attention because she's a brand new character, so there's a lot more to speculate about her whereas with Madeleine she's already an established returning character, the first leading woman to play that role in a consecutive film. There's nothing in the marketing to suggest she's NOT the leading actress.
Madeline was the brand new character in SP, i highly doubt she gathered this much attention the last time before the film's release. Still i believe you , buddy.
Don't want to stretch this argument too much as i usually don't like to comment before watching the film.
I'm really not seeing the issue here.
Seydoux is credited on the final poster ahead of Lynch, so deffo is the lead female.
These days however,it seems ALL women have to be portrayed as badasses and its a big no no to have them play anyone who is even slightly weak.Its also tiresome when the female cast of NTTD talk about how '' THIS MOVIES PLOT IS DRIVEN BY FOUR STRONG INDEPENDANT WOMEN!!! '' as if they are breaking new ground or something.
A few people I think will actually see this film just because of them. Lynch being a fan favourite in Captain Marvel, and Ana de Armas just being a fan favourite in general. Seydoux and Harris have a smaller fan base but still present in people I know.
They've definitely stepped up the Bond girls this time round. The tradition used to be one survives, one dead and one who probably will say one line, even in the Craig-era we've had that, so I think it's great to see that they've grabbed the bull by its horns with this one, and offered us three Bond girls in one film that all seem to play a vital role.
@Denbigh I think what i am missing the most is women from different professions(we had bond girls as pilot, astronauts, computer programmer etc. doing actual work) other than being a spy or in action, vesper as an accountant and Madeline being a psychologist are the only one's we have seen in this era. It would be great if Madeline interact as a psychologist with Blofeld as we have seen in trailers, she was at mi6. Hope you get what i am saying by "doing actual work which contributes to the story".
I remember hating it in Quantum Of Solace, when Camille was suddenly Bolivian Secret Service for no reason. It kind of undercut the personal angle for me a bit. It wasn't exactly like she seemed to have many connections.
Although the biggest crime of the Craig-era is not having a proper femme-fatale. I'll never forgive.
Was there a need for that in this storyline?
I'm holding out for a nuclear physicist. I hear they come more than once a year. ;)
I think it could be cool: there’s something about the way they appear to be handling Nomi that I think could be quite exciting and give us a new kind of female character in a Bond. I love that shot of her stood next to Swann in the hallway where she’s exuding a confidence we don’t often see.
But a spin-off.. well they’d need to see if she works with audiences first, and to be honest I don’t think there’s much room for a Bond spin-off. But hey, it’s a new world. Maybe a glossy Netflix series or something. I could dig that potentially. I like spy stuff.
I think also perhaps it might be time not to treat women as sex objects. We’ve got supporting characters like M, Q, Tanner etc all played by fairly ordinary looking guys (well, they’re not ugly at all but not male models) whereas every female role is filled by some sexpot doing photo shoots in loads of magazines. Why can’t we have a few less extraordinary females if we have some ordinary males in it?
To be honest i have no problem having good looking M, Q, Tanner as well, let ladies have some fun as well ;)
My GF Find Ralph Fiennes really hot(at least when he was younger), Can't say much about Q or Tanner.
That’s kind of getting what I’m saying the wrong way around! :)