Lashana Lynch as 007 and the Women of 'No Time to Die' (SPOILERS!)

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  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    He doesn't have faith in his ego. He has faith in his talents. James Bond is a man willing to be castrated in the line of duty. This is a man who doesn't have a fragile ego. James Bond isn't hurt by personal insults or when women are secret agents.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    It's the business I'm afraid @AstonLotus, while quotes like that may not appeal to a lot of people, and be seen as a marketing gimmick, at the same time, it boldly gets the message across to those they may have not been interested otherwise, and also while it may seem like they're not breaking new ground, I do think what they've done with these female characters (from what we've seen) has done something for a lot of people.

    A few people I think will actually see this film just because of them. Lynch being a fan favourite in Captain Marvel, and Ana de Armas just being a fan favourite in general. Seydoux and Harris have a smaller fan base but still present in people I know.

    They've definitely stepped up the Bond girls this time round. The tradition used to be one survives, one dead and one who probably will say one line, even in the Craig-era we've had that, so I think it's great to see that they've grabbed the bull by its horns with this one, and offered us three Bond girls in one film that all seem to play a vital role.

    @Denbigh I think what i am missing the most is women from different professions(we had bond girls as pilot, astronauts, computer programmer etc. doing actual work) other than being a spy or in action, vesper as an accountant and Madeline being a psychologist are the only one's we have seen in this era. It would be great if Madeline interact as a psychologist with Blofeld as we have seen in trailers, she was at mi6. Hope you get what i am saying by "doing actual work which contributes to the story".
    I think we will get some of that, although I have a feeling it'll only be a small aspect as they probably will focus more on Bond's interactions with Blofeld, but hopefully Madeleine's skills can be of use. I do think there were so many things they could've done with that in Spectre. And yes, varied careers would be great. I think the problem in James Bond stories is that you don't to throw a career in for the sake of it. It needs to make sense, so the Vesper was way more natural, as well as the other agents we meet. Hopefully in Bond 26 you'll get your wish :)
    I remember hating it in Quantum Of Solace, when Camille was suddenly Bolivian Secret Service for no reason. It kind of undercut the personal angle for me a bit. It wasn't exactly like she seemed to have many connections.

    Although the biggest crime of the Craig-era is not having a proper femme-fatale. I'll never forgive.
    Was there a need for that in this storyline?
    A need for Madeleine's skills as a psychologist?

    Amusing. But pointless.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2020 Posts: 5,970
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I think the James Bond and Nomi relationship will just be another interesting exploration of age in this era. The whole "age is no guarantee of efficiency" and "youth is no guarantee of innovation" played through the role of 007. That's where the friction is going to be I think. I don't think it'll be gender-based. I think it'll played in the same way it would if it was a new male agent.

    So James will have some kind of ego regarding his time as 00 agent, whereas Nomi's ego will come from her own skills as a newer one, and I think they'll learn some things from each other by the end. I also think they will (or at least should) explore the idea that maybe Nomi has more respect for the job? I mean it's always been played up that Bond is somewhat of loose canon, especially Craig's, so I think friction will be caused by Nomi's more traditional and commited approach to the job itself and her employers.

    To me, it's why that clip of her saying "get in my way, I'll shoot you in the knee" makes so much sense cause of course if she's doing her job, and she knows this retired agent who was good but can be loose-canon and cause more problems is looking into things, she's gonna want him to stay out of the way - even if she needs him in someway.

    Yeah that all makes sense to me. I think Lynch said in an interview that she's a very by-the-book agent (which does make it sound like there's potentially a slightly tired old 'they learn from each other' story in the film- hopefully not as naff as it sounds!) so I think you're right.
    Yeah, I mean "learning something from each-other" is just an easier way for me to say an eventual respect is formed between them, but hopefully it's a transition that makes sense and not rushed.

    Overall, I think Craig's Bond is just going to have fun with the tension, whereas Nomi will take it more seriously, which reflects their work ethic to some degree, although I think with Bond it's more of a face value thing. He's incredibly competent and a great agent but sometimes he presents more of an ego and a laidback attitude, which Nomi isn't going to enjoy at first.

    And to me this is the main reason why her character being a 00 agent, maybe even 007, is a great idea.

    Also, sorry to go on, but the whole face value might even be concept approached with Paloma. As I won't be surprised if they go the Goodnight way with some of her first interactions for some humour, only for her to go full badass agent during the party scene. Didn't de Armas say that Paloma is quite new to all this? So might make Bond think she's not as capable.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Bond does have an ego, he’s just usually better at keeping it in check than most people would. After all, he was ready to bluff a resignation over being pulled off of Operation: Bedlam.
  • Posts: 6,709
    Univex wrote: »
    The Craig era hasn't really been a male-driven fantasy adventure. The line has been blurred quite a bit already in that regard.

    That’s true. Is there a Craig Bond film where he doesn’t show up shirtless at least once?

    SP.

    Oh no, no. The titles ;) And all those octopus shenanigans.

  • edited July 2020 Posts: 1,394
    To have Bond not treat women as sex objects ( or disposable pleasures as Vesper might say ) is ridiculous.Thats one of the key traits of his character.Thats part of why the Bond character appeals so much to heterosexual men.The cars,the locations,the gadgets,the HOT GIRLS! Its all part of the fantasy of Bond movies.

    If feminists dont like that,then thats their problem.They can go watch Captain Marvel,Star Wars:The Last Jedi,or some other woke nonsense.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    I don't think it's a matter of removing those tropes but rather building on top of them to create more interesting and realistic characters that don't just feel like cardboard cutouts of the "heterosexual appeal".
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,179
    I pretty much agree with the sentiment that movies like FYEO and TND ending with Bond sleeping with the lead actresses doesn’t feel earned. There’s nothing convincingly romantic between the characters, so sleeping together at the end feels more like an adherence to formula rather than staying true to the characters.

    It’s crazy that despite Fleming himself having ended MR with Bond and Gala Brand go their separate ways, it took 53 years for any Bond film to have the balls to do that with QOS not having Bond and Camille not sleep together, and it felt right.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,205
    Bond and Camille is one of the best partnerships in the series.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Bond and Camille is one of the best partnerships in the series.
    Quantum of Solace is a very big what if for me.

    I feel like the film is a good first draft but just needed a lot more work.
  • Posts: 17,740
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Bond and Camille is one of the best partnerships in the series.
    Quantum of Solace is a very big what if for me.

    I feel like the film is a good first draft but just needed a lot more work.

    Very much agree with this, but because it has Olga Kurylenko ( :x ) in it, that automatically pushes it up a few places in my rankings!
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    The Craig era hasn't really been a male-driven fantasy adventure. The line has been blurred quite a bit already in that regard.

    That’s true. Is there a Craig Bond film where he doesn’t show up shirtless at least once?

    SP.

    Oh no, no. The titles ;) And all those octopus shenanigans.

    Could be CGI :P
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,340
    Denbigh wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I think the James Bond and Nomi relationship will just be another interesting exploration of age in this era. The whole "age is no guarantee of efficiency" and "youth is no guarantee of innovation" played through the role of 007. That's where the friction is going to be I think. I don't think it'll be gender-based. I think it'll played in the same way it would if it was a new male agent.

    So James will have some kind of ego regarding his time as 00 agent, whereas Nomi's ego will come from her own skills as a newer one, and I think they'll learn some things from each other by the end. I also think they will (or at least should) explore the idea that maybe Nomi has more respect for the job? I mean it's always been played up that Bond is somewhat of loose canon, especially Craig's, so I think friction will be caused by Nomi's more traditional and commited approach to the job itself and her employers.

    To me, it's why that clip of her saying "get in my way, I'll shoot you in the knee" makes so much sense cause of course if she's doing her job, and she knows this retired agent who was good but can be loose-canon and cause more problems is looking into things, she's gonna want him to stay out of the way - even if she needs him in someway.

    Yeah that all makes sense to me. I think Lynch said in an interview that she's a very by-the-book agent (which does make it sound like there's potentially a slightly tired old 'they learn from each other' story in the film- hopefully not as naff as it sounds!) so I think you're right.
    Yeah, I mean "learning something from each-other" is just an easier way for me to say an eventual respect is formed between them, but hopefully it's a transition that makes sense and not rushed.

    Overall, I think Craig's Bond is just going to have fun with the tension, whereas Nomi will take it more seriously, which reflects their work ethic to some degree, although I think with Bond it's more of a face value thing. He's incredibly competent and a great agent but sometimes he presents more of an ego and a laidback attitude, which Nomi isn't going to enjoy at first.

    And to me this is the main reason why her character being a 00 agent, maybe even 007, is a great idea.

    Also, sorry to go on, but the whole face value might even be concept approached with Paloma. As I won't be surprised if they go the Goodnight way with some of her first interactions for some humour, only for her to go full badass agent during the party scene. Didn't de Armas say that Paloma is quite new to all this? So might make Bond think she's not as capable.

    I do wonder if Paloma might not survive..?
    Bond does have an ego, he’s just usually better at keeping it in check than most people would. After all, he was ready to bluff a resignation over being pulled off of Operation: Bedlam.

    He wasn't bluffing..? He was going to resign, because his ego was bruised in fact. Moneypeny just saved him and gave him time to reconsider.
    I pretty much agree with the sentiment that movies like FYEO and TND ending with Bond sleeping with the lead actresses doesn’t feel earned. There’s nothing convincingly romantic between the characters, so sleeping together at the end feels more like an adherence to formula rather than staying true to the characters.

    It’s crazy that despite Fleming himself having ended MR with Bond and Gala Brand go their separate ways, it took 53 years for any Bond film to have the balls to do that with QOS not having Bond and Camille not sleep together, and it felt right.

    That's a good observation, I hadn't thought of that.

    AstonLotus wrote: »
    To have Bond not treat women as sex objects ( or disposable pleasures as Vesper might say ) is ridiculous.Thats one of the key traits of his character.Thats part of why the Bond character appeals so much to heterosexual men.The cars,the locations,the gadgets,the HOT GIRLS! Its all part of the fantasy of Bond movies.

    If feminists dont like that,then thats their problem.They can go watch Captain Marvel,Star Wars:The Last Jedi,or some other woke nonsense.

    Or The Living Daylights ;)


  • Posts: 1,394
    I pretty much agree with the sentiment that movies like FYEO and TND ending with Bond sleeping with the lead actresses doesn’t feel earned. There’s nothing convincingly romantic between the characters, so sleeping together at the end feels more like an adherence to formula rather than staying true to the characters.

    It’s crazy that despite Fleming himself having ended MR with Bond and Gala Brand go their separate ways, it took 53 years for any Bond film to have the balls to do that with QOS not having Bond and Camille not sleep together, and it felt right.

    Who says it has to be romantic? Bond is a womaniser,he bangs women because he can and more often than not,the women are willing.You must have had a very sheltered life if you think men and women sleep together just because of romance.Nothing wrong with a consenting couple banging just for fun!

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,205
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I pretty much agree with the sentiment that movies like FYEO and TND ending with Bond sleeping with the lead actresses doesn’t feel earned. There’s nothing convincingly romantic between the characters, so sleeping together at the end feels more like an adherence to formula rather than staying true to the characters.

    It’s crazy that despite Fleming himself having ended MR with Bond and Gala Brand go their separate ways, it took 53 years for any Bond film to have the balls to do that with QOS not having Bond and Camille not sleep together, and it felt right.

    Who says it has to be romantic? Bond is a womaniser,he bangs women because he can and more often than not,the women are willing.You must have had a very sheltered life if you think men and women sleep together just because of romance.Nothing wrong with a consenting couple banging just for fun!

    There's plenty of porn out there.
  • Posts: 1,394
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I pretty much agree with the sentiment that movies like FYEO and TND ending with Bond sleeping with the lead actresses doesn’t feel earned. There’s nothing convincingly romantic between the characters, so sleeping together at the end feels more like an adherence to formula rather than staying true to the characters.

    It’s crazy that despite Fleming himself having ended MR with Bond and Gala Brand go their separate ways, it took 53 years for any Bond film to have the balls to do that with QOS not having Bond and Camille not sleep together, and it felt right.

    Who says it has to be romantic? Bond is a womaniser,he bangs women because he can and more often than not,the women are willing.You must have had a very sheltered life if you think men and women sleep together just because of romance.Nothing wrong with a consenting couple banging just for fun!

    There's plenty of porn out there.

    Yes there is,whats your point? Bond has always been a womaniser.Its part of his character.I would say the only women in the movies he was actually in love with were Tracey,Paris,and Vesper.

    The rest are just sexual conquests.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,205
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I pretty much agree with the sentiment that movies like FYEO and TND ending with Bond sleeping with the lead actresses doesn’t feel earned. There’s nothing convincingly romantic between the characters, so sleeping together at the end feels more like an adherence to formula rather than staying true to the characters.

    It’s crazy that despite Fleming himself having ended MR with Bond and Gala Brand go their separate ways, it took 53 years for any Bond film to have the balls to do that with QOS not having Bond and Camille not sleep together, and it felt right.

    Who says it has to be romantic? Bond is a womaniser,he bangs women because he can and more often than not,the women are willing.You must have had a very sheltered life if you think men and women sleep together just because of romance.Nothing wrong with a consenting couple banging just for fun!

    There's plenty of porn out there.

    Yes there is,whats your point? Bond has always been a womaniser.Its part of his character.I would say the only women in the movies he was actually in love with were Tracey,Paris,and Vesper.

    The rest are just sexual conquests.

    I feel like you're missing out on a key ingredient that even womanisers need to make their pursuits worthwhile for them, which is sexual chemistry. Romance isn't the same as love.

    What you are describing is more like a sex addict, which Bond isn't.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 2020 Posts: 8,179
    mtm wrote: »
    Bond does have an ego, he’s just usually better at keeping it in check than most people would. After all, he was ready to bluff a resignation over being pulled off of Operation: Bedlam.

    He wasn't bluffing..? He was going to resign, because his ego was bruised in fact. Moneypeny just saved him and gave him time to reconsider.

    It always seemed to me that he wasn't totally serious about resigning, that it was more of an impulsive act on his part and a way to protest. When Bond gets that stern "request granted", you can see Bond looks upset that nothing came out of it, before Moneypenny points out what the note says.
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I pretty much agree with the sentiment that movies like FYEO and TND ending with Bond sleeping with the lead actresses doesn’t feel earned. There’s nothing convincingly romantic between the characters, so sleeping together at the end feels more like an adherence to formula rather than staying true to the characters.

    It’s crazy that despite Fleming himself having ended MR with Bond and Gala Brand go their separate ways, it took 53 years for any Bond film to have the balls to do that with QOS not having Bond and Camille not sleep together, and it felt right.

    Who says it has to be romantic? Bond is a womaniser,he bangs women because he can and more often than not,the women are willing.You must have had a very sheltered life if you think men and women sleep together just because of romance.Nothing wrong with a consenting couple banging just for fun!

    There's plenty of porn out there.

    Yes there is,whats your point? Bond has always been a womaniser.Its part of his character.I would say the only women in the movies he was actually in love with were Tracey,Paris,and Vesper.

    The rest are just sexual conquests.

    I feel like you're missing out on a key ingredient that even womanisers need to make their pursuits worthwhile for them, which is sexual chemistry. Romance isn't the same as love.

    What you are describing is more like a sex addict, which Bond isn't.

    Exactly. Anyone that knows the Bond formula well enough should understand that the conceit is that Bond will have conquests that are typically the supporting characters like Sylvia Trench, Jill Masterson, Patricia Fearing, etc. That's where there is not love or romance, it's just pure sexual outlets between consenting adults. However, it's the leading actresses that are always more romanticized compared to conquests because they're the ones that Bond is with at the very end, and you're supposed to be given the impression that they'll have a relationship, despite the fact they always run on the short side since we never see them in the next film. This is why we get an exchange like this in DAD:

    James Bond: Do you believe in bad luck?
    Jinx: Let's just say my relationships don't seem to last.
    James Bond: I know the feeling.

    That's rather explicitly telling you that Bond has had multiple relationships in the past, a and that it's a clear reference to the leading Bond actresses. You don't typically refer to fleeting sexual encounters as "relationships". You would never hear a character like Sylvia Trench make an expression about being in love with Bond, because that's reserved for Tatiana Romanova "I love you, I love you, it's true".

    And with FYEO, there IS a clear attempt to say that they have a relationship at the end because they build it up (rather unconvincingly) with bits like the Italian horse rider expressing "amor amor!" after watching Bond and Melina talking.

    I do think the idea of Bond having romance at the end is really more of a carryover from the novels, where Bond gets easily smitten with the women in a way that suggests it's not purely a desire to only bang them.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I pretty much agree with the sentiment that movies like FYEO and TND ending with Bond sleeping with the lead actresses doesn’t feel earned. There’s nothing convincingly romantic between the characters, so sleeping together at the end feels more like an adherence to formula rather than staying true to the characters.

    It’s crazy that despite Fleming himself having ended MR with Bond and Gala Brand go their separate ways, it took 53 years for any Bond film to have the balls to do that with QOS not having Bond and Camille not sleep together, and it felt right.

    Who says it has to be romantic? Bond is a womaniser,he bangs women because he can and more often than not,the women are willing.You must have had a very sheltered life if you think men and women sleep together just because of romance.Nothing wrong with a consenting couple banging just for fun!

    Agreed, bond have higher sex drive, a sex addict can't live without having sex. Bond on the other hand can, he choose to pursue women for casual sexual encounter not the other way around. Even though personally i don't believe in casual encounters but there is nothing wrong with that as long as two consenting adults are enjoying it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Literally no one has disputed that Bond has non-romantic sexual encounters. Stop pretending.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2020 Posts: 16,340
    mtm wrote: »
    Bond does have an ego, he’s just usually better at keeping it in check than most people would. After all, he was ready to bluff a resignation over being pulled off of Operation: Bedlam.

    He wasn't bluffing..? He was going to resign, because his ego was bruised in fact. Moneypeny just saved him and gave him time to reconsider.

    It always seemed to me that he wasn't totally serious about resigning, that it was more of an impulsive act on his part and a way to protest. When Bond gets that stern "request granted", you can see Bond looks upset that nothing came out of it, before Moneypenny points out what the note says.

    It’s an impulsive act, sure: but he means it- it’s not a bluff. He goes and packs his stuff out of his desk on his own: he’s not doing that for show because there’s no one to see it. He’s upset, yes: his pride is very dented.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 2020 Posts: 8,179
    Good point. Regarding the resignation, it just doesn't quite work for me because of how it's changed from the novel. In Fleming's novel, the whole idea is that Bond has become very worn down by all those years in the service, and part of his contemplating resignation also has to do with his search for Blofeld going nowhere. He feels his services are being wasted on a futile mission, and is quite serious about leaving it behind. It's only when meeting with Draco that he realizes he's found a way to look for Blofeld and that gives him a much needed boost to keep going.

    With Lazenby flaunting his youthful swagger all around the film, and that he's actually EAGER to look for Blofeld ('something of a must for me') I just don't buy the idea that he would be that serious about resigning and there's no sense that he's worn out from the years of service, which is why I get the impression he was partly bluffing because he's so cocky things will turn out his way if he pushes the right buttons. This is partly why I've always advocated that Connery could pull off an adaptation of the novel, particularly because I could buy his Bond finally becoming weary after all these years and seeing Tracy as a new path he could take.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2020 Posts: 16,340
    That's an interesting thought. I guess in the film it works more because he's passionate about finding Blofeld and being told he's not up to the job hurts his ego and he has a very emotional and hotheaded reaction to that, which sort of works with his being youthful in this one (despite the desk unpacking paradoxically showing us he's actually very experienced!). Moneypenny sees that and gives him room to simmer down.

    It's funny how stories can be adjusted for old/young Bond: I was just saying elsewhere that Living Daylights could actually be just slightly adjusted to be a final Bond film for an older Bond- tired of the grubby arms dealing/drug running plot of it and the nasty little missions like the defection sniper routine, he goes off with an illegally defected (older) Kara at the end.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 2020 Posts: 8,179
    I definitely think that comes across in TLD because Dalton seemed to have based his Bond on the latter Fleming books, and the short story for TLD was one of the last that Fleming wrote. It's hard not to see that when Bond tells Saunders "Go ahead, tell M what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it". Not only do I believe him in that moment, but then in the very next film he actually resigns!

    Mendes had also said that SF was based on the latter Fleming novels, which I can understand why it might have turned off certain fans because we had just seen Bond as an upstart in CR, and SF was fast forwarding Craig Bond all the way to his latter weary years.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I took Bond as impulsively ready to resign. Moneypenny saves him.

    I see Bond of the films as pretty much the same as Book Bond. When it comes to the main Bond Girl, he "falls" for her every time. Is taken with her in a romantic way. Includes Gala Brand, who it turns out is already taken herself.

    So no, not love and maybe not applied to Fields or that lady on the yacht off Gibraltar (though Dalton could have followed up after the mission). But romantically pursues women, yes. It's part of the character and better for the story, however cold he can be on the job.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I will repeat my last statement.

    James Bond doesn't get rattled by personal insults or women being secret agents. End of story.

    True, usually. But he can be rattled by other things.....he certainly doesn’t like the mention of Tracy or Vesper in the films and in the YOLT novel he is actually depressed over Tracy’s death. That makes him interesting and.....almost, but not quite infallible.

  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
    Posts: 737
    suavejmf wrote: »
    I will repeat my last statement.

    James Bond doesn't get rattled by personal insults or women being secret agents. End of story.

    True, usually. But he can be rattled by other things.....he certainly doesn’t like the mention of Tracy or Vesper in the films and in the YOLT novel he is actually depressed over Tracy’s death. That makes him interesting and.....almost, but not quite infallible.

    Yes but that's not the point I was making. I didn't say he doesn't get upset.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I will repeat my last statement.

    James Bond doesn't get rattled by personal insults or women being secret agents. End of story.

    True, usually. But he can be rattled by other things.....he certainly doesn’t like the mention of Tracy or Vesper in the films and in the YOLT novel he is actually depressed over Tracy’s death. That makes him interesting and.....almost, but not quite infallible.

    Yes but that's not the point I was making. I didn't say he doesn't get upset.

    Upset, annoying sure, but not about ego. He is a bit cold hearted sometimes. In SF he was shaking during marksmanship in mi6 and later while shooting severine but if you look closely, he wasn't much bothered by it while he missed to shoot severine.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    He intentionally missed the shot at Severine because he wasn’t confident he could shoot that glass off her head.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I will repeat my last statement.

    James Bond doesn't get rattled by personal insults or women being secret agents. End of story.

    True, usually. But he can be rattled by other things.....he certainly doesn’t like the mention of Tracy or Vesper in the films and in the YOLT novel he is actually depressed over Tracy’s death. That makes him interesting and.....almost, but not quite infallible.

    Yes but that's not the point I was making. I didn't say he doesn't get upset.

    You said by personal insults (and I'm not sure which insult you're saying he would be upset by..?) or by women being secret agents, which is to rather miss the specifics of the situation we're possibly looking at in this film.
    And as suave said, he does get upset and rattled by events: his ego can be dented occasionally and his armour stripped.
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