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Although we know there was a treatment for Jinx. Let's just hope and believe she [Babs] was the one who scraped it. Again, in Babs I trust.
Thank heavens amazon only wants theatrical movies from Bond.
I think generally Eon don't plan too far ahead in that way: and I don't mean that in a bad way- they just do everything they can possibly think of (which fits in the latest film anyway) right now. And Nomi has clearly been designed for this particular plot: she's there for this Bond to react against her replacing him.
I think if they decided to spin her off you could potentially ignore it- we've got several different versions of various superheroes all existing at the same time now, maybe it just doesn't matter. But I don't see her getting a spin-off unless she leaves MI6 or something- with her being a double-O she'd just come off as a slightly bargain basement version of Bond.
I do know what you mean and I'm not disagreeing, but I always think it's interesting how they did try to make the CR M a different woman from the Brosnan M: gone are the boring suits and constant need to have a glass of bourbon in her hand, in comes the vampy, actually slightly sexy dresser with the modern apartment.
I haven't researched this for a while, but I do believe that it is pretty much stated that Dench is playing a different character in the Craig era than in the Brosnan ones. Is Dench playing Barbara Mawdsley (as in the Benson novels) in the Brosnan films, and a totally new character in the Craig ones?
I am sure one of you guys knows the answer to this.
Though I don’t think the name Barbara Mawdsley was ever brought up in the Brosnan films, she is named Olivia Mansfield in Craig’s.
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Yeah I think Mawdsley name was purely an invention of Raymond Benson for his books and I don't see it as being part of the films at all. It's somehow a bit... rubbish.
The Mansfield name is the only official one for my liking because we see it onscreen.
She was awful in the film (despite being a talented actress) due to the direction and writing. God knows what they were thinking.
No frickin frackin way that made it in. The producers know better. There would be some serious backlash if it did.
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The optics felt wrong of Nomi handing over her 00 number. It just seemed wrong for one of the few minority characters to be so subservient to a character who essentially epitomises the patriarchy. They didn't need to do this and could have avoided this conversation. If anything a little moment where Bond says to Nomi "Thank you, 007" after she throws him the detonator would have sufficed. Perhaps with a knowing look of appreciation between the pair.
Spoilers?
This thread title now promises spoilers. I didn't notice the changed heading either. Thanks and goodbye...
All I came here to say is (without spoilers) that I saw NTTD yesterday, and I loved both Nomi and Paloma characters. Nomi surprised me by being rather seamlessly brought in, mixing great with Bond and others due to the good script (+ all supporting actors in this movie are excellent), and I liked her right away. I would have been happy with even a bit more of her in the film. Some people seemed uptight about her before the film came out, at least sometimes. But no worries at all. Nothing to be upset about; she's very fine. Paloma sparkles, as everybody says.
So yes, two great additions to this excellent, bold, beautifully filmed Bond movie. I rank it highly.
I thought Nomi was a great character and absolutely agree that she should have had more to do. Also, I loved the way Craig called her "007."
I just thought that it was such a cop out that she gave her number back to Bond. We know it kinda bothered him that MI6 didn't retire the number, but he wasn't overly ruffled about it (more quietly miffed). But the scene where Nomi gave the number back and M approved in that dumb videolink (which felt like a cut scene from a video game before you go off on a mission. That interlink video was kinda lazy writing.)
Also, the film doesn't actually tell us what 00 number Bond is assigned. I believe a companion book came out recently that revealed '007 and 003' board a plane......so is Bond temporarily 003? The film really tiptoed around the idea - perhaps in response to the internet leaks. It felt tepid. Perhaps because the surprise was over two years old by the time we saw the film. This aspect of the film along with Obruchev, the way people's faces melted and how they instantly died (plus that ugly green coat) were the most disappointing aspects of NTTD.
I want a Nomi spin-off! Lashana has been a gem during the press tour.
The 00 number chat in NTTD was pathetic. Why would Bond, or Nomi for that matter, care a jot? It is just a number. It means nothing. And, if Craig's tenure really is a self-contained series, then what has his Bond done to deserve even the hint that the number should be retired after he has left the service? His Bond has a series of mostly failed missions behind him, after all - including the time he virtually kidnaps M and brings her back to London dead.
I thought Nomi came across well. The Jamaican accent she puts on was quite fun. Lynch plays it pretty well throughout. I hated the 'down boy' comment - that's up there with 'Yo mama' from Halle Berry in DAD. But otherwise she's not a terrible character by any means, and had this been a normal Bond film, and the lead actor carrying on in the part, I would have no real issue with her returning in cameo roles in future episodes as an addition to the Mi6 team. Those scenes in Jamaica are really rather excellent and she contributes hugely to that (aside from the scripting about the 00 number - which is utterly nonsensical from a character perspective).
Yeah, I really liked her when she was around! I wonder if we'll see some deleted scenes....
I did not like how he got it back from her though, felt more like Top Gun than Bond.
Underwhelming. I felt for Lea after seeing Spectre because the character was severely underwritten but after watching NTTD, I'm disappointed by her performance in part. She lacked warmth that was needed for the story this film was trying to tell.
I never got the feeling that she needed Bond or even wanted him. Perhaps a montage scene was needed to show how in love her and Bond were, but Daniel and Lea's chemistry was nonexistent and her distant performance hurt the big ending this film was clearly centred around.
I don't want to blame Lea for her performance soley, perhaps she would have sold it more if her character wasn't written as strong and badass, instead was more of a winged dove at least at times during this film
Paloma
Underused. I really enjoyed this character, it was interesting that she was a nervous character, it's a side of Bond allies I don't has ever truly been explored. She was extremely believable and capable in the action. I loved her tender moment of touching Bond's face to put the earpiece in, beautifully done. As was Ana's delivery of the "stay longer next time line" line
Paloma and Bond's chemistry was fantastic.
I wasn't fond of her rejecting Bond in principle, if you're going to have them be platonic, be just that. Her rejecting Bond made him look out of touch and almost creepy, which Daniel's Bond hasn't been. Also I wasn't fond of Paloma pulling the "Fleabag expression" at Waldo, it took me out of the film and it felt beneath her character.
Nomi
Overhyped. I felt sorry for Lashana watching NTTD, it felt like a lot of her scenes were cut because she was hyped as a Jinx or Wai Lin in the promotion and trailers, when I'm reality she was a background character. I thought she did well with what she had and she brought a lot of heart to the role.
I think giving her 007 was a mistake, because it shouldn't have warranted the reaction it did out of Bond and it felt like an unnecessary weight around Nomi's neck. It should have been explored further, rather than be a boxed ticked. It was one storyline too many in a huge film for the series.
Giving her 009 would have fit this film better, have the jokes be about them being rival 00's and given the DB10 joke in Spectre they would already have a familiarity
I understand her being 007 was to show us the audience and Bond that the world has moved on, but given the technological advances in between Spectre and NTTD that was representation itself.
Apologies about the long post, I had a lot of thoughts on this one. Bless you if you could be bothered reading til the end 😅
1. Vesper Lynd
2. Xenia Onatopp
3. Paloma
It is inferred that Bond reported Maddie to MI6 as a spectre agent, as Tanner makes some remark about it, and her being “compliant”. Presumably she would have been visibly pregnant around this time, and I assume (?) she does look after Mathilde in London at her home there.
Also I think (admittedly I cant remember it crystal clear) Nomi says she didnt know about the child. Something along those lines.
OK it does say SPOILERS in the thread title. But I hope people do not come into this thread at all if they have not seen it.
I'll say here that I liked Madeleine in this one very much. Great improvement over Spectre and I really bought into her relationship with Bond in NTTD. I think Lea made some inspired choices as an actor (physical gestures in particular).