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At this point, I hope people who have NOT seen the film but will see it within a day or two STAY OFF THIS FORUM (sorry forum owners). Then RETURN immediately after seeing it. B-)
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Yeah I tend to agree, she wasn’t really in it enough and barely got anything to do to the point where her character felt a bit of a dead end. Shunted off on the raft at the end, that’s it. I wasn’t affronted by her presence or anything, and I thought the 007 thing was a neat gag, but after a promising first encounter with Bond she just didn’t really go anywhere. It might have been better to have had the Cuba encounter fully about her and then ended her portion of the film there, at least she could have been centre stage for at least a bit of the film. And the “do you know what time it is?” line was possibly the worst sin of the film.
Can't stop thinking about this film.
Wow.
I have the same opinion. I reall liked Nomi as the new 007. And Paloma was so sweet in NTTD.
BTW Even Madeleine role is better in NTTD than in Spectre.
She reminded me A LOT of Emma Peel. She had some body language and facial expressions that made me think of her.
They were all fantastic. Nomi's rivalry with Bond was fun and handled well, and I've liked Madeline from the start so having her back was a real treat.
Same here about Paloma. Although I'm not so sure about Nomi. In a way she's a Jinx done right, or at least better, but I'm not sure she brings all that much to the story.
Yep, totally agreed. I think Paloma was perfect in her short role - I didn't need any more.
But Nomi should have got way more as she could have been important to the film- she starts out as being a really interesting antagonist, but she ends up being sidelined. She felt a bit nothingy in the end, I'm not sure I wouldn't have preferred for Moneypenny's role to have been beefed up instead as Harris is so good.
Maybe if they'd have had Nomi being sent after Madeline in Norway to apprehend or kill her after her assassination of Blofeld, so Bond and her actually go head to head and he convinces her to join him. A bit of tension, a bit of actual danger from Nomi- that might have been nice. But she just sits in her Aston Martin doing nothing. There's a story beat missing, she just accepts that Bond is good without any real climax to bring about a shift in their relationship.
Then Bond could maybe ask her to get to Madeleine, while Bond takes out Logan Ash, but before Nomi can get to Madeleine, she's taken by Safin before Nomi can find her. Nomi calls out to Bond that they've got her, leading Bond to try and follow the helicopter. Then, we have Nomi and Bond go to her car, where the rest of it plays out as it does.
Yep, I like that. Maybe they wanted to make sure that Bond and her don’t become a double act (obviously they’re partnered in the next set piece) and he gets some action where he’s on his own, but it does make her look pretty useless to just turn up late, plus it means she just disappears from the film even though she’s supposed to be part of the main plot.
Even DAD, for all it’s failings, integrates the two lead Bond women better than that.
Yeah I think so; although as you have it she could have been taking out some of the guys in the woods without even knowing Bond is there. Or I think perhaps she could have been coming for Madeline too so Bond and her were adversaries again.
We’re agreed that she needed something to do anyway! :) It’s funny, I watched DAD last night and I was struck that for all it’s faults it does handle having two Bond women better than NTTD does.
And when Frost says that Bond is a double O, what does he say? “It’s just a number” :)
Me too, in that sense. She could have been another Jinx. I also love these little moments when her inexperience and insecurities get through.
Yes, considering it turned out the way many people feared (that she was 007 and he wasn't) I'm curious why I'm not seeing more people saying it spoiled the film for them.
When people who made a big fuss about something realize it wasn’t such a big deal after all, they tend to go quiet until they find the next thing they can be outraged at. ;)
And I'm so glad I was right (as were other people who have already mentioned it in this thread) when I said it'll be a passing moment to him where he'll show some very brief annoyance and then move on because that's what he does best. It's always fun being vindicated and nailing something!
Or hoped! I don't think that Guardian writer will offer a mea culpa any more than the goofballs behind AstonLotus's videos will...
The way it did rankle him with Nomi taking the upper hand was very nicely reversed in M's office when he was reinstated and she was really jumpy about precisely which double-O number he'd been assigned. That was a good gag, and had Bond take the upper hand- very nicely done.
But as per usual, we can chalk this one (Nomi being 007) down as another of the 'oh my god that's outrageous!! They can't do that!' betrayals of the core of Bond which actually turns out to be totally fine and not even something people will especially remember the film for, much like the shocking casting of a bloke with fair hair as Bond a few years back. Much like, I suspect, something else which happens in this film which has upset a few folks at the moment.
Here, just for smiles, are some lovely photos of Lea on set. I am so pleased with her performance of Madeleine in NTTD. She made such great choices as an actor to convey so much physically/body language/gestures, aside from the dialog.