NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Discuss Hans Zimmer's Score

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  • Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    I'm not.

    I'm done with John Barry-tribute acts - such as David Arnold. I'm craving something new. I think Dan Romer woulbe be the man to deliver.

    However, I'm a little nervous for him. Romer isn't a big enough name - like Thomas Newman - to throw his weight around. If he doesn't toe the company line, then Eon will fire him. He is the most expendable member of the crew currently. I'm sure Romer is aware of that, so his no.1 priority is to impress Eon.

    I think Eon want someone to emulate Barry. Therefore, Romer will do his best to prove himself and deliver his spec.

    I think Romer will play it very very very safe with the score. Don't expect anything overly radical and Newman-esque.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    Just enough for it to be Bond.
  • edited September 2019 Posts: 6,709
    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    Well, true Bond fans are.

    Cmon guys, shoot me for saying "true Bond fans". You know who you are, and you know you want to. Some people just want a different Bond, with no Bondian traits, no womaniser Bond, no Bond sound, no DB5, no ppk, no Bondian lines, nothing. Just a hardcore spy with a scooby gang-crew and a falsetto-singing song, and some socially shocking stuff you can get behind of.

    True Bond fans want the Barry sound, true escapism, a womaniser stylish Bond with his car and signature gun, some blaring horns in the background and him going alone against a changing world and a psychotic fatherly figure. Oh, and some babes with strong thoughts and angles (pun intended) along the way.

    I'm getting shot now ;)

    I do hope Romer does his own thing. But the thing is, he should do his own thing with the "Bond sound". And we know who came up with it. It's the same principle with Fleming's writing of the Bond character. Dan does his stuff with what Fleming created. But it is Fleming's creation. And the sound is Barry's. IMO, of course.

    Still getting shot, probably.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Univex wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    Well, true Bond fans are.

    Cmon guys, shoot me for saying "true Bond fans". You know who you are, and you know you want to. Some people just want a different Bond, with no Bondian traits, no womaniser Bond, no Bond sound, no DB5, no ppk, no Bondian lines, nothing. Just a hardcore spy with a scooby gang-crew and a falsetto-singing song, and some socially shocking stuff you can get behind of.

    True Bond fans want the Barry sound, true escapism, a womaniser stylish Bond with his car and signature gun, some blaring horns in the background and him going alone against a changing world and a psychotic fatherly figure. Oh, and some babes with strong thoughts and angles (pun intended) along the way.

    I'm getting shot now ;)

    I do hope Romer does his own thing. But the thing is, he should do his own thing with the "Bond sound". And we know who came up with it. It's the same principle with Fleming's writing of the Bond character. Dan does his stuff with what Fleming created. But it is Fleming's creation. And the sound is Barry's. IMO, of course.

    Still getting shot, probably.

    :))

    A risky post....

    Once more into the breach, @Univex
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    True Bond fans are open minded, who appreciate it when the series tries something different to keep the series fresh, like the risks CASINO ROYALE took and became a beloved installment as a result.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    True Bond fans are open minded, who appreciate it when the series tries something different to keep the series fresh, like the risks CASINO ROYALE took and became a beloved installment as a result.

    CR is a return to the source, in character, story and sound.
  • edited September 2019 Posts: 6,709
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    True Bond fans are open minded, who appreciate it when the series tries something different to keep the series fresh, like the risks CASINO ROYALE took and became a beloved installment as a result.

    CR is a return to the source, in character, story and sound.

    Exactly. Very well put. It's not the departure many paint it to be. And we loved it for it. For being a return to form and to Fleming's Bond. People seem to forget that.

    Anyways, about the sound...Romer...Bond2..NTTD soundtrack and all...
    Univex wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    Well, true Bond fans are.

    Cmon guys, shoot me for saying "true Bond fans". You know who you are, and you know you want to. Some people just want a different Bond, with no Bondian traits, no womaniser Bond, no Bond sound, no DB5, no ppk, no Bondian lines, nothing. Just a hardcore spy with a scooby gang-crew and a falsetto-singing song, and some socially shocking stuff you can get behind of.

    True Bond fans want the Barry sound, true escapism, a womaniser stylish Bond with his car and signature gun, some blaring horns in the background and him going alone against a changing world and a psychotic fatherly figure. Oh, and some babes with strong thoughts and angles (pun intended) along the way.

    I'm getting shot now ;)

    I do hope Romer does his own thing. But the thing is, he should do his own thing with the "Bond sound". And we know who came up with it. It's the same principle with Fleming's writing of the Bond character. Dan does his stuff with what Fleming created. But it is Fleming's creation. And the sound is Barry's. IMO, of course.

    Still getting shot, probably.

    :))

    A risky post....

    Once more into the breach, @Univex

    Right? ;)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    True Bond fans are open minded, who appreciate it when the series tries something different to keep the series fresh, like the risks CASINO ROYALE took and became a beloved installment as a result.

    CR is a return to the source, in character, story and sound.

    I agree, but I also recall back in the day the complaints over the lack of naked ladies in the titles, no Q, no Moneypenny, lack of a "proper" gun barrel, no Bond theme until the end, etc.

    Those complaining felt it was too much of a departure from Bond, rather than a return to form.

    But anyway, the point I'm making is that fans true fans are open minded. Those fans weren't so much.
  • Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.
    Hell yes. Gimme lesser Barry over any experiment. The Bond sound is a trademark!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    I’d like Barry himself, but I don’t want somebody pretending to be him, because nobody else can be him.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mtm wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    I’d like Barry himself, but I don’t want somebody pretending to be him, because nobody else can be him.

    Eric Serra > David Arnold
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Eric Serra > David Arnold
    Both are great composers.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Unfortunately, Serra had briefly forgotten that in 1995. ;)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited September 2019 Posts: 8,188
    I love "Ladies First", but not as much as I love the rage it elicits from Bond fans. ;)

    *Palpatine cackle*
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    You must have missed it when PanchitosPistoles called Ladies First better than the James Bond theme. =))
  • edited September 2019 Posts: 5,767
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Absolutely. Almost as good as the soundtrack for Manhunter ;-).

    Ok, both are equally good.

    Touché. And we haven't even mentioned the soundtrack for THIEF, by Tangerine Dream! ;)
    Amazing stuff! They don´t make ´em like that anymore!



    I for one, am far more concerned with the score adhering to the style/tone of the film itself rather than the classic “Bond sound.” First and foremost I think the composer should utilize their strongest skills, make sure it is in service of the film itself, and lastly incorporate sprinklings of the typical Bond sound of and where appropriate.

    I’d rather have a strong score that deviates heavily from the formula than a mediocre “Bondian” score. The series is evolving and the music needs to evolve with it.
    +1


    Univex wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    Well, true Bond fans are.

    Cmon guys, shoot me for saying "true Bond fans". You know who you are, and you know you want to. Some people just want a different Bond, with no Bondian traits, no womaniser Bond, no Bond sound, no DB5, no ppk, no Bondian lines, nothing. Just a hardcore spy with a scooby gang-crew and a falsetto-singing song, and some socially shocking stuff you can get behind of.

    True Bond fans want the Barry sound, true escapism, a womaniser stylish Bond with his car and signature gun, some blaring horns in the background and him going alone against a changing world and a psychotic fatherly figure. Oh, and some babes with strong thoughts and angles (pun intended) along the way.

    I'm getting shot now ;)

    I do hope Romer does his own thing. But the thing is, he should do his own thing with the "Bond sound". And we know who came up with it. It's the same principle with Fleming's writing of the Bond character. Dan does his stuff with what Fleming created. But it is Fleming's creation. And the sound is Barry's. IMO, of course.

    Still getting shot, probably.
    What Barry did was absolutely amazing, I can listen to any of his Bond soundtrack albums any day. But I fear that over the decades since, the topic of Bond music has become a bit like the DB5, and that stops life from developing.
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    I love "Ladies First", but not as much as I love the rage it elicits from Bond fans. ;)

    *Palpatine cackle*
    In this video the music is speeded up to match the movie. Is that right, was the soundtrack too slow?


    To tie this in to Romer, I hope Romer doesn’t copy Ladies First. Not Serra’s best track.
  • Posts: 5,767
    What a beautiful scene. The laid back yet slightly agrressive dynamic of the race. The wonderful background landscapes. About time I watched that film again!

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    And it was totally lifted from THE MARSEILLE CONTRACT, almost shot for shot!


  • Posts: 5,767
    Haha, the similarity is amazing :-))! Thanks, @MakeshiftPython, for bringing that up! It also shows that the Serra track wasn´t that bad after all ;-).
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    And it was totally lifted from THE MARSEILLE CONTRACT, almost shot for shot!



    Superb! I’d seen that movie ages ago and totally forgotten that. The music even reminds me of the comical music they’d use in The Persuaders.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think we are all crying out for something Barry-esque.

    I’d like Barry himself, but I don’t want somebody pretending to be him, because nobody else can be him.

    Eric Serra > David Arnold

    I like them both, but not Serra necessarily for Bond though.

    The score for NIKITA is a great stimulator when I'm writing.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Funny thing is that EON hired Serra purely on the recommendation of Barry because he loved Serra’s score for LEON.

    I caught ANNA a few months ago, and it makes me wish Serra would do more action thrillers outside of Besson. He’s got a certain groove that really elevates what’s on screen, and more American blockbusters could use that quality.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Serra is very unique and has a certain funk when it comes to his use of electronics, but I still think Barry may have been having an off day when he made that recommendation, as much as I like the score for LEON.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I'd wager that Barry was more open to hearing other composers put their stamp on Bond music than most fans are.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I'd wager that Barry was more open to hearing other composers put their stamp on Bond music than most fans are.

    I'd take that bet, considering I'm fairly sure Barry didn't really care where Bond went when he was done moreso than being eager to hear something different.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Found this video on YouTube. Why James bond sound like James bond.
    Although i don't have that much idea about the music as much as professionals. Tell me what do you guys think of it?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Not a professional either but I enjoyed that video. Thanks for posting it, @Resurrection.
  • GertGettlerGertGettler Laptop Barcelona
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    And it was totally lifted from THE MARSEILLE CONTRACT, almost shot for shot!



    Wow...…...you're right hehe. Then again, I think the GoldenEye-chase was mostly doctored by Remy Jullienne no?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Could be, it’s hard to tell with Bond films because anyone can throw a suggestion and EON may go for it. The idea of turning M into a female was by some EON underling who simply said “why not make M a woman?” to Mike Wilson and he just ran with it.
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