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NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Discuss Hans Zimmer's Score

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Murdock wrote: »
    It was great to hear some new Arnold content. I loved it. Shame some can't even enjoy it because "muh Arnold bad pastiche."

    It was a terrific Bondian piece of music.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    It was great to hear some new Arnold content. I loved it. Shame some can't even enjoy it because "muh Arnold bad pastiche."

    It was a terrific Bondian piece of music.

    Hear hear! :-bd
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    It was great to hear some new Arnold content. I loved it. Shame some can't even enjoy it because "muh Arnold bad pastiche."

    It was a terrific Bondian piece of music.

    2 minutes of sheer Bondian bliss! God i've missed Arnold!
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Murdock wrote: »
    It was great to hear some new Arnold content. I loved it. Shame some can't even enjoy it because "muh Arnold bad pastiche."

    I love Arnold, in this very thread I said that I believe his Independence Day score is among the best movie scores ever. I even like his QoS score more than half of Barry's scores. But that doesn't mean I must enjoy everything he makes. That would be bland fanboyism.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    It was great to hear some new Arnold content. I loved it. Shame some can't even enjoy it because "muh Arnold bad pastiche."

    I love Arnold, in this very thread I said that I believe his Independence Day score is among the best movie scores ever. I even like his QoS score more than half of Barry's scores. But that doesn't mean I must enjoy everything he makes. That would be bland fanboyism.

    I never said anything about liking everything he produced. Even I don't like everything Arnold has done. But the complaints about him being "Too Pastiche" or a "Barry Copy" or "Not original" when all he's doing is being faithful to the Bond sound just perplex me. Arnold has been very original. He took the Bond sound and gave it a 21st century update, making it his own. And while that's not to everyone's liking. To call him a Barry clone or pastiche is ridiculous.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    It was great to hear some new Arnold content. I loved it. Shame some can't even enjoy it because "muh Arnold bad pastiche."

    I love Arnold, in this very thread I said that I believe his Independence Day score is among the best movie scores ever. I even like his QoS score more than half of Barry's scores. But that doesn't mean I must enjoy everything he makes. That would be bland fanboyism.

    God forbid Bond fans can’t be critical of Bond stuff. ;)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    And god forbid fans can't be fans of good Bond music.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2019 Posts: 8,188
    Murdock wrote: »
    And god forbid fans can't be fans of good Bond music.

    Fans can like and dislike anything on their own prerogative, nobody’s telling you to do otherwise.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited October 2019 Posts: 16,351
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    And god forbid fans can't be fans of good Bond music.

    Fans can like and dislike anything on their own prerogative, nobody’s telling you to do otherwise.

    Then what's this supposed to mean?
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I get fans love the sameness because it’s comforting, much like the Brosnan era was, which is why Arnold was perfect for his run. Pastiche composer for a pastiche Bond.

    It sounds like a dig at Arnold fans to me. For me Arnold brought something new to each Bond score. He wasn't copy and pasting himself. I call for his return because he was genuinely good at scoring for Bond. His music stands out far more than the droves of composers today who just imitate Hans Zimmer and fail to bring anything memorable to the table.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Your post implied that fans can’t enjoy what they like according to those critical and I disagree. I said I understand why Arnold has fans, I’m not being critical of them, only his scores.
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
    edited October 2019 Posts: 678
    Murdock wrote: »
    It sounds like a dig at Arnold fans to me. For me Arnold brought something new to each Bond score. He wasn't copy and pasting himself. I call for his return because he was genuinely good at scoring for Bond. His music stands out far more than the droves of composers today who just imitate Hans Zimmer and fail to bring anything memorable to the table.
    Preach it, Murdock! There's always the little dig at Brosnan and Arnold.

    Arnold was a FANTASTIC composer for Bond films (since TND, I'll never let the Craig fanbase convince me that only his Craig era scores were good), and this piece is exquisite. I'll take his respect of the trademark Bond sound anytime over experiments.

    Romer has a tall order ahead of him.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Thank you @FrankXavier :-bd
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    FrankXavier wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    It sounds like a dig at Arnold fans to me. For me Arnold brought something new to each Bond score. He wasn't copy and pasting himself. I call for his return because he was genuinely good at scoring for Bond. His music stands out far more than the droves of composers today who just imitate Hans Zimmer and fail to bring anything memorable to the table.
    Preach it, Murdock! There's always the little dig at Brosnan and Arnold.

    (since TND, I'll never let the Craig fanbase convince me that only his Craig era scores were good)

    As someone more a fan of Craig’s run than Brosnan’s, I can agree to this. QOS and DAD are his richest scores, whereas CR, TWINE and TND have too much filler I find myself skipping when I listen to their albums.

    How I’d rank his scores:

    1. QOS
    2. DAD
    3. CR
    4. TWINE
    5. TND
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Haha..Open up and read the short thread. That's pretty cool



  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    That little piece by Arnold sounds like something from an Austin Powers film. Cheesy, derivative and insipid. I have a feeling Romer will write something really progressive and special for No Time To Die. I loved Newman's work in Skyfall. Saying that, Casino Royale and QOS had great scores.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Much better than the bland, boring and unmemorable scores of the last two films. So hopefully Romer can deliver where Newman failed.
  • delfloriadelfloria
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    Music is very subjective but nothing I've heard so far from Romer indicates that he is the right fit for Bond. Please give me a hint that I'm wrong. I didn't think Newman was a right fit either considering that I like most of his scores but not the 007 ones.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Cheesy, derivative and insipid??

    WHAT?!

    Oh well, to each their own. In music, film and, well, life, I guess.

    For what's worth it, I think Arnold has his specific Bond sound. I can, in any day of the week, twice on Sundays, tell a Barry score apart from an Arnold score. One is not a pastiche of the other. But Arnold does understand the "Bond sound", as some directors do understand the "Bond iconography and style". I'm not saying he is the only man for the job. He's still miles away from Barry. But I do appreciate his scores, themes, and overall work. And I miss his music.

    And he is a Bond fan like we all are. Calling him pastiche, cheesy, insipid, is just being mean, as he helped this franchise along like no other for years and years.

    But hey, my opinion, of course.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Post of the day @Univex, Music to my ears. :-bd
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited October 2019 Posts: 4,619
    Arnold is simply incapable of doing the "Bond sound" without copying Barry. I want "Bond sound" with a twist, like Errica Serra and Thomas Newman have done it.

    By the way, can anyone here say with a straight face that the GoldenEye Overture is not cooler than anything Arnold has ever done?
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited October 2019 Posts: 17,757
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Arnold is simply incapable of doing the "Bond sound" without copying Barry. I want "Bond sound" with a twist, like Errica Serra and Thomas Newman have done it.

    By the way, can anyone here say with a straight face that the GoldenEye Overture is not cooler than anything Arnold has ever done?

    GoldenEye Overture is a horrible track, IMO.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Yes it was quite good
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Arnold is simply incapable of doing the "Bond sound" without copying Barry. I want "Bond sound" with a twist, like Errica Serra and Thomas Newman have done it.

    By the way, can anyone here say with a straight face that the GoldenEye Overture is not cooler than anything Arnold has ever done?

    GoldenEye Overture is a horrible track.
    Wow. I think it's easily a top 5 Bond track. If Dan Romer comes up with something that is only half as memorable and cool as that, I will be a very happy man indeed.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Univex wrote: »
    Cheesy, derivative and insipid??

    WHAT?!

    Oh well, to each their own. In music, film and, well, life, I guess.

    For what's worth it, I think Arnold has his specific Bond sound. I can, in any day of the week, twice on Sundays, tell a Barry score apart from an Arnold score. One is not a pastiche of the other. But Arnold does understand the "Bond sound", as some directors do understand the "Bond iconography and style". I'm not saying he is the only man for the job. He's still miles away from Barry. But I do appreciate his scores, themes, and overall work. And I miss his music.

    And he is a Bond fan like we all are. Calling him pastiche, cheesy, insipid, is just being mean, as he helped this franchise along like no other for years and years.

    But hey, my opinion, of course.

    Exactly right @Univex

    Arnold's scores fit each film beautifully. I really do think he was getting better and better until he was unceremoniously dumped by Mendes.

    QoS and CR are both magnificent Bond scores. His best work IMO.

    This latest bit of music just reinforces how good he still is.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Arnold is simply incapable of doing the "Bond sound" without copying Barry. I want "Bond sound" with a twist, like Errica Serra and Thomas Newman have done it.

    If Arnold's use of electronica, drum and bass isn't the Bond Sound with a twist then I don't know what is.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited October 2019 Posts: 4,520
    The music he used sound look like he be inspyred by some of DAD, CR and QOS scores. Nice locations in that comercial inspecialy that view when the guy be in that boat (Spectre remember). Overall DAD, CR, SF, QOS inspyred.
  • vzokvzok
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    Poor Dan Romer hasn't got a chance of keeping everyone happy.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Pastiche isn't the only issue I have with Arnold's work. Another thing that bugs me is that he usually commits the sin of overwriting, the first example being the hotel scene with Bond and Paris. It turns a potentially dramatic and intimate scene into a melodrama because of his over the top approach. Subtlety has never been his strong suit.

    I dunno if the ad is a good indication of how he would score a Bond film today, so I wouldn't use it against him. But if it is, then it really doesn't sound all that different from the usual flourishes he did from 1997-2008. Just the same over-orchestrated stuff. Maybe it's meant to sound the same as his Bond scores, or maybe Arnold just revels in sticking with that same sound because he's a big self-proclaimed Bond fanboy.

    Whatever the case, I'm looking forward to Romer and any new composer giving their stab at a Bond score. Unless your name is John Barry, Bond scoring should not belong to just one composer.
    vzok wrote: »
    Poor Dan Romer hasn't got a chance of keeping everyone happy.

    Sad, but very true.
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    Pretty sure that Arnold wouldn’t score a new film the same as he did the advert. The ad is deliberately playful but the bit just after, where the fella gets to the hill, stops and sees the DB5 is classic 60’s bond but with a fresh modern take and the ohmss hints are lovely.
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    As someone more a fan of Craig’s run than Brosnan’s, I can agree to this. QOS and DAD are his richest scores, whereas CR, TWINE and TND have too much filler I find myself skipping when I listen to their albums.

    How I’d rank his scores:

    1. QOS
    2. DAD
    3. CR
    4. TWINE
    5. TND
    Well I don't agree. I'd rank DAD last for sure, and TWINE is one of the most memorable of the bunch.

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