NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Discuss Hans Zimmer's Score

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  • Posts: 5,767
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Apart from Zimmer creating themes for each character & having recurring themes, like Arnold one can expect proper music for action scenes. One can imagine the ethereal theme Zimmer would create for Safin. Not to mention what he would do with the Bond theme & maybe the 007 theme.
    Our opinions differ drastically.

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited December 2019 Posts: 4,343
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Matt007 wrote: »
    Do we know why? The inkling for me is maybe they feel they’ve got a classic on their hands and the score should reflect that...???
    Then they shouldn't let any RCP composer anywhere near it.

    I'm inclined to agree... even tho I must say I'd be pretty intrigued by the idea of Zimmer himself working on Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,344
    Walecs wrote: »
    Yep, so it seems. So most of you familiar with Balfe's music think this is a good thing, right?

    Not at all. I feel like his scores are generic ambient sound and provide few melodies. He also doesn't seem to really care about source material as proven by his Terminator score. Though admittedly I'd still rather have him than Hans Zimmer.

    Have you heard his Sherlock Holmes scores? So much more inventive and interesting than Balfe’s stuff if you ask me, and not just the Dark Knight stuff that everyone seems to be invoking as if that’s all he can do.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Well, I've heard Zimmer can be versatile. This certainly gives us a lot more to speculate about. Thanks, @antovolk
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    I'm no Zimmer fan boy but I don't have a problem if it is him.

    I've obviously not seen that many films recently with him scoring to hear this sound that would be totally wrong for Bond some are saying.

    In the 90's and with Nolan I think HZ has produced some great scores.

    I think those that don't like Nolan on here aren't going to be persuaded but I remember thinking that HZ's score for Inception had Bondian moments in there.

    I think he knows that he can't just produce atmospheric aural wallpaper for this gig.

    I also think some think that Zimmer will do something akin to his Batman scores which if I'm honest heighten and intensify the mood of the film but aren't what you would call toe tapping.

    I can see Zimmer being much more likely to embrace the Bond theme than Newman did.

    Also as this is so late in the game I can see him being given somewhat of a remit.

    When he and Wallfisch were bought on late for BR2049 I think Ridley said he wanted something Vangelis like and imagine the late very much missed Jóhann Jóhannsson was likely as Romer has done not delivered the sound that EON wanted.

    It will be interesting to know that Cary thinks this as well and is on the same page or this has come from the top (BB & MGW) that his sound wasn't Bondian enough.

    Jóhannsson had a very distinctive and individual sound that works great on Villeneuve other films he scored and for the first series of the excellent Icelandic drama Trapped but clearly he hadn't delivered enough of the Blade Runner sound to convince the boss IE. Ridley Scott.

    I imagine it can't be too long before the person who has the job is confirmed and if it is a heavyweight like Zimmer then they'll maximise this for all it is worth.
  • Posts: 4,044
    Did Dan Romer get officially announced?
  • vzok wrote: »
    Did Dan Romer get officially announced?

    Yes, Eon had officially confirmed Romer.

    You can see here if you read the press release for the title on the official site:
    https://www.007.com/no-time-to-die-is-the-official-title-of-bond-25/

    I feel bad for Romer. His team even had a party to celebrate him getting the job
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    I wouldn t mind Henry Jackman doing it.
  • Posts: 4,044
    vzok wrote: »
    Did Dan Romer get officially announced?

    Yes, Eon had officially confirmed Romer.

    You can see here if you read the press release for the title on the official site:
    https://www.007.com/no-time-to-die-is-the-official-title-of-bond-25/

    I feel bad for Romer. His team even had a party to celebrate him getting the job

    Thanks. Oh wow that's got to hurt for them now.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,344
    vzok wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    Did Dan Romer get officially announced?

    Yes, Eon had officially confirmed Romer.

    You can see here if you read the press release for the title on the official site:
    https://www.007.com/no-time-to-die-is-the-official-title-of-bond-25/

    I feel bad for Romer. His team even had a party to celebrate him getting the job

    Thanks. Oh wow that's got to hurt for them now.

    Well this is all still Romer rumour, though.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    boldfinger wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Apart from Zimmer creating themes for each character & having recurring themes, like Arnold one can expect proper music for action scenes. One can imagine
    boldfinger wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Apart from Zimmer creating themes for each character & having recurring themes, like Arnold one can expect proper music for action scenes. One can imagine the ethereal theme Zimmer would create for Safin. Not to mention what he would do with the Bond theme & maybe the 007 theme.
    Our opinions differ drastically.

    Yeah, I know...but since it's looking increasingly likely that we are not getting Arnold back, Am Ok with Zimmer or any RCP Composer. And like @shardlake mentioned above....Zimmer is indeed much more likely to embrace the Bond theme. coz he's an action composer by default. And the Bond theme is an action piece. RCP Composers are the only ones who really understand action music these days. And we're talking about Bond here. If we were talking about a romantic comedy here and an RCP Composer is mentioned, then eyebrows will definitely be raised.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited December 2019 Posts: 4,512
    Henry Jackman


    To much like DAD dvd menu or boatchase from QOS.




    To much DAD and at bit heavy matel.


    Slower cue, stil missing something.

    The better ones with also include some classic music:




    Moost dark one of them, but stil with a theme.


    For Casino Royale, AVTAK, TLD and QOS lovers.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,344
    M_Balje wrote: »
    Hugh Jackman

    Not quite! :)
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited December 2019 Posts: 5,185
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/rumours-swirl-on-no-time-to-die-composer-conundrum-191228

    "Dan Romer was the surprise name to compose the score for 'No Time To Die'. Then he wasn't. Unofficial news of his departure from the project broke in November, but it was all but confirmed this week when he was named the composer to the upcoming drama 'Wendy.' The press release listed his recent credits as Beasts of No Nation, Maniac, The Good Doctor, Atypical, and Digging for Fire. No mention of 007. He's out."

    This is as close to a confirmation as it gets in regards to Romer being out.

    But i can't see RCP doing it. Something feels off. That's just not how EoN operate. I think they would much rather bring a small obscure talent that barely anyone heard of than to buy run of the mill action shlock from a "Soundtrack Factory". Especially with NTTD where the crew speaks for itself. I don't think they want NTTD sounding like any other action film out right now. I think they will want to go with someone who has a bit more Prestige to his name and maybe isn't overexposed yet, especially in action. And Zimmer is all of that.

    That being said, just effing call Nicholas Britell already. What's the hold up.
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 3,164
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited December 2019 Posts: 4,343
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release and Zimmer spent only 10 days working on it.
  • Posts: 3,164
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2019 Posts: 16,344
    00Agent wrote: »
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/rumours-swirl-on-no-time-to-die-composer-conundrum-191228

    "Dan Romer was the surprise name to compose the score for 'No Time To Die'. Then he wasn't. Unofficial news of his departure from the project broke in November, but it was all but confirmed this week when he was named the composer to the upcoming drama 'Wendy.' The press release listed his recent credits as Beasts of No Nation, Maniac, The Good Doctor, Atypical, and Digging for Fire. No mention of 007. He's out."

    This is as close to a confirmation as it gets in regards to Romer being out.

    Ooh okay I’d not seen that: that is all a bit fishy isn’t it! :) Sounds like a lot of smoke now in need of a fire.
    You’d think they’d have to go to an established name now that can reliably do it quickly. But yes, agreed above that surely Zimmer doesn’t have great big gaps in his schedule.
  • Posts: 3,327
    Great news if it is true Romer has been booted out on his backside. Now all I hope for is we get Arnold back. My second choice would be Zimmer. Either of them, and I'll be a happy bunny, and will start to look more positively towards NTTD.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,207
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too much work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,344
    Although I was wasn’t overjoyed at the choice of Romer I’ll be sad for him if it is true. You’d imagine as a young composer starting out it’d be hard to shake the story of being ‘that guy who got kicked off Bond’.
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 4,408
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too muc work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    This is the one part of the story from @MI6 that I'm unsure of.

    They claim that David Arnold is 'supervising music' on 'The Rhythm Section'.....I can't see any evidence of this.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7134096/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    In fact, on 'The Rhythm Section's IMDB they have Steve Mazzaro (from Remote Control) listed as the composer. Then, Hans Zimmer as executive music producer and Lorne Balfe as additional music composer.

    No David Arnold. 'The Rhythm Section' is a Remote Control production musically, why would Arnold figure into this? He isn't in Zimmer's squad.

    I think we are getting a Hans Zimmer score for NTTD - perhaps with an underling like Mazzaro, Balfe or Wallfisch.
  • Posts: 3,164
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too much work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    That's what I'm thinking. They'll want Zimmer's name on this I think. There's been no indication aside from it supposedly not being Balfe who'd that other person be - Wallfisch or someone else. Just mentioned him because Blade Runner.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited December 2019 Posts: 8,207
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too muc work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    This is the one part of the story from @MI6 that I'm unsure of.

    They claim that David Arnold is 'supervising music' on 'The Rhythm Section'.....I can't see any evidence of this.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7134096/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    In fact, on 'The Rhythm Section's IMDB they have Steve Mazzaro (from Remote Control) listed as the composer. Then, Hans Zimmer as executive music producer and Lorne Balfe as additional music composer.

    No David Arnold. 'The Rhythm Section' is a Remote Control production musically, why would Arnold figure into this? He isn't in Zimmer's squad.

    I think we are getting a Hans Zimmer score for NTTD - perhaps with an underling like Mazzaro, Balfe or Wallfisch.

    Music Supervisor is an entirely different department to Music Composition, with a different mandate. Not going to go out on a limb and say it's one hundred percent true, but as a music supervisor might not even have direct contact with a composer, the fact that it's an all-Zimmer squad for the score doesn't make it untrue.
    antovolk wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too much work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    That's what I'm thinking. They'll want Zimmer's name on this I think. There's been no indication aside from it supposedly not being Balfe who'd that other person be - Wallfisch or someone else. Just mentioned him because Blade Runner.

    Aye, don't worry. I know why you made the comparison. I think you're on to something there. Zimmer's name on top as a selling point, with the other person doing the majority of the work.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited December 2019 Posts: 5,185
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too muc work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    This is the one part of the story from @MI6 that I'm unsure of.

    They claim that David Arnold is 'supervising music' on 'The Rhythm Section'.....I can't see any evidence of this.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7134096/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    In fact, on 'The Rhythm Section's IMDB they have Steve Mazzaro (from Remote Control) listed as the composer. Then, Hans Zimmer as executive music producer and Lorne Balfe as additional music composer.

    No David Arnold. 'The Rhythm Section' is a Remote Control production musically, why would Arnold figure into this? He isn't in Zimmer's squad.

    I think we are getting a Hans Zimmer score for NTTD - perhaps with an underling like Mazzaro, Balfe or Wallfisch.

    Music Supervisor is an entirely different department to Music Composition, with a different mandate. Not going to go out on a limb and say it's one hundred percent true, but as a music supervisor might not even have direct contact with a composer, the fact that it's an all-Zimmer squad for the score doesn't make it untrue.
    antovolk wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too much work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    That's what I'm thinking. They'll want Zimmer's name on this I think. There's been no indication aside from it supposedly not being Balfe who'd that other person be - Wallfisch or someone else. Just mentioned him because Blade Runner.

    Aye, don't worry. I know why you made the comparison. I think you're on to something there. Zimmer's name on top as a selling point, with the other person doing the majority of the work.

    Which is kind of screwed up. What is RCP's pricing model? For xx amount of dollars you get Balfe, but if you throw in xxxx amount of dollars, Hans Zimmer will drag his ass in the Studio and write 2-3 cues on top so you can put his name on the cover? :))
    I don't see this happening. Hans is a legend but this ghostwriting business is weird. I will wait for official confirmation before i jump to conclusions.
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 3,164
    The way Zimmer's stuff works is he usually writes the actual themes and does extended suites for them, some running up to 20-30 mins long. Just the way he prefers to work. Then the underlings adapt these suites into individual cues to picture under Zimmer's supervision.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,344
    00Agent wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too muc work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    This is the one part of the story from @MI6 that I'm unsure of.

    They claim that David Arnold is 'supervising music' on 'The Rhythm Section'.....I can't see any evidence of this.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7134096/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    In fact, on 'The Rhythm Section's IMDB they have Steve Mazzaro (from Remote Control) listed as the composer. Then, Hans Zimmer as executive music producer and Lorne Balfe as additional music composer.

    No David Arnold. 'The Rhythm Section' is a Remote Control production musically, why would Arnold figure into this? He isn't in Zimmer's squad.

    I think we are getting a Hans Zimmer score for NTTD - perhaps with an underling like Mazzaro, Balfe or Wallfisch.

    Music Supervisor is an entirely different department to Music Composition, with a different mandate. Not going to go out on a limb and say it's one hundred percent true, but as a music supervisor might not even have direct contact with a composer, the fact that it's an all-Zimmer squad for the score doesn't make it untrue.
    antovolk wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too much work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    That's what I'm thinking. They'll want Zimmer's name on this I think. There's been no indication aside from it supposedly not being Balfe who'd that other person be - Wallfisch or someone else. Just mentioned him because Blade Runner.

    Aye, don't worry. I know why you made the comparison. I think you're on to something there. Zimmer's name on top as a selling point, with the other person doing the majority of the work.

    Which is kind of screwed up. What is RCP's pricing model? For xx amount of dollars you get Balfe, but if you throw in xxxx amount of dollars, Hans Zimmer will drag his ass in the Studio and write 2-3 cues on top so you can put his name on the cover? :))
    I don't see this happening. Hans is a legend but this ghostwriting business is weird. I will wait for official confirmation before i jump to conclusions.

    I know it’s not quite the same thing, but I think it worked really well for Solo with Williams doing the theme and Powell composing the actual score. I’d love to hear how Zimmer would approach Bond, even if he doesn’t do all of the leg work himself.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Meh, that shows disrespect or lack of interest at the very least. They should hire a composer who actually cares.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited December 2019 Posts: 8,207
    00Agent wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too muc work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    This is the one part of the story from @MI6 that I'm unsure of.

    They claim that David Arnold is 'supervising music' on 'The Rhythm Section'.....I can't see any evidence of this.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7134096/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    In fact, on 'The Rhythm Section's IMDB they have Steve Mazzaro (from Remote Control) listed as the composer. Then, Hans Zimmer as executive music producer and Lorne Balfe as additional music composer.

    No David Arnold. 'The Rhythm Section' is a Remote Control production musically, why would Arnold figure into this? He isn't in Zimmer's squad.

    I think we are getting a Hans Zimmer score for NTTD - perhaps with an underling like Mazzaro, Balfe or Wallfisch.

    Music Supervisor is an entirely different department to Music Composition, with a different mandate. Not going to go out on a limb and say it's one hundred percent true, but as a music supervisor might not even have direct contact with a composer, the fact that it's an all-Zimmer squad for the score doesn't make it untrue.
    antovolk wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    As others have mentioned before, EON are working with RCP, *and*, per that post, Arnold, on Rhythm Section. But I agree to the extent that I personally don't think for this, if they're approaching RCP, it would be anything less than a 2049 style Zimmer producing and name on the cover for one one of his protégés. Don't see them going for Balfe or Junkie or Ramin etc.

    Yeah me neither. If I recall correctly Zimmer & Wallfisch were announced as composers less than 3 months before the film release.

    Correct, and weren't even announced formally as so much as Villeneuve happening to mention them replacing Johann in an interview. They weren't officially officially acknowledged until the final posters dropped in September.

    So could we be looking at a Zimmer overseen but mostly Wallfisch crafted score? Or at least a similar approach with Zimmer and another protegé? Not too much that it would require him to do too much work but enough to put his name on it?

    It's nice to see Arnold working with Eon in an official capacity again.

    That's what I'm thinking. They'll want Zimmer's name on this I think. There's been no indication aside from it supposedly not being Balfe who'd that other person be - Wallfisch or someone else. Just mentioned him because Blade Runner.

    Aye, don't worry. I know why you made the comparison. I think you're on to something there. Zimmer's name on top as a selling point, with the other person doing the majority of the work.

    Which is kind of screwed up. What is RCP's pricing model? For xx amount of dollars you get Balfe, but if you throw in xxxx amount of dollars, Hans Zimmer will drag his ass in the Studio and write 2-3 cues on top so you can put his name on the cover? :))
    I don't see this happening. Hans is a legend but this ghostwriting business is weird. I will wait for official confirmation before i jump to conclusions.

    That's not how it works, no...
    antovolk wrote: »
    The way Zimmer's stuff works is he usually writes the actual themes and does extended suites for them, some running up to 20-30 mins long. Just the way he prefers to work. Then the underlings adapt these suites into individual cues to picture under Zimmer's supervision.

    .....this is more how it works.

    It used to be a shared responsibility for each composer, including Zimmer, way back when it was Media Ventures. Since Zimmer became the top dog at RCP after he split with Media Ventures, he's operated as a Score "Producer" as much as he has been a "Composer", hence why he has been accused of having a monopoly on it. But, he's given a lot of great composers their start and many of them have gone on to do their own thing outside of RCP, so it's not all bad.
    Walecs wrote: »
    They should hire a composer who actually cares.

    Hiring "new blood" that is a prestige name is way more important than hiring someone who cares. You know this. ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Meh, that shows disrespect or lack of interest at the very least. They should hire a composer who actually cares.

    I think it would a stretch to say John Williams doesn’t care about Star Wars! :D
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