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If this is indeed true, then it's a bit disappointing. I don't think ambition for the 25th (or 27th if you prefer) instalment in a nearly 6-decade old movie franchise should be rejected offhand.
I think Zimmer/RCP can turn out good work, but most of the time, it's a music production factory and it often sounds like it. I don't even dislike Zimmer/Balfe/Wallfisch's work on their own, but when they do something for the RCP, 9/10 it sounds like every other action RCP score.
Romer wasn't even nearly close to being top of my list for most wanted composers on this, but at least he was something different.
I know people have their criticisms of Newman and Arnold, but they at least always tried to add something new to their music and make it stand out from other action films.
This just feels like the Bond films chasing a currently popular trend, rather than setting it or just doing its own thing.
And now that it didn’t work, I’m surprised it’s not Arnold. Which is a little concerning because at this stage, whoever they decide on, that will be the score whether they end up really liking it or not. Which wouldn’t surprise then if it was Zimmer, because with a big bought name they can say, ‘look we have the great Hans Zimmer,’ again regardless if they really like it or not.
Great news. Romer obviously didn't respect the Bond sound and tried to continue down his own indie path of crappy atmos garbage - as I predicted!
Thankfully EON have had common sense and realised this won't do, and rightly booted him out. I am so pleased. It would be even sweeter if they didn't pay Romer either for his discarded efforts.
Now EON, do the right thing and pick up the phone. You know the name, you know the number.... ;)
Spot on.
Yeah I can see that. There’s a similar kind of lack of depth. He’s very slick though. I don’t hate him but his stuff doesn’t really stir any sort of great feelings in me either way.
Very likely.
Barry sound is the only way to go for Bond, and Arnold is the only one who gets Barry, and can copy Barry perfectly.
I want Anold back, and I want Barry-lite, Barry the second, Barry copied, Barry pastiche, Barry nods galore. The more Arnold tries to sound like Barry, the more pleased I get. I want to smile in the cinema and think to myself, `wow, that sounds just like John Barry!'
Anyone who doesn't want this isn't a Bond fan, simple as that.
Nah, it’s a very similar score type of score to the films surrounding it, albeit with a funk, Taking of Pelham-style element added which is there to suit the film (and is rather obviously not Martin’s usual thing!) so is conceivably a flavour Barry might have even gone with it had he done it (and he himself did flirt with that 70s sound in a few of his scores - Game of Death for example). It’s very Barryish, more so than something like the TSWLM score soon after.
Indeed: I was yet to hear anything by him that didn’t sound generic though. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it of course.
Indeed.
I would advise folks not to engage with the sort of baiting this poster is displaying: it’s really not worth it.
Agreed. And I’m a huge Arnold fan and want him back the most. We have had good scores outside Barry and Arnold.
Also, Zimmer's (and his team's) sound has been so successful, that every action film now sounds like it. So we could be in for a very generic OST.
Nah. It isn't in the slightest I'm afraid, unless by similar type of score you mean "Bond score" which I absolutely agree with. It certainly is a Bond score.
I appreciate you sticking to your guns though, even if you have to use a hypothetical "might have" in order to back it up! :))
This is another extreme and it's not really something I can get on board with either. The answer, the thing I am on board with, for modern Bond lies in the middle. Strangely enough -considering he's the basis for your argument - Arnold knew that too. And nobody can accuse him of not being a Bond fan.
But there you go. I'm glad everyone is so passionate about the music. It's an afterthought in so many other series' and franchises. Good to see such strong debate about it.
Agreed, (as always!) @Univex.
Get a grip mate. It's an opinion (and the last line was meant in jest, but you obviously didn't pick that up).
I agree with @jetsetwilly on this one. Bring back Arnold.
Precisely.
On the other hand, I can’t really appreciate someone resorting to a faux patronising tone though. C’mon, we can be civil.
I would say that if it recognisably a Bond score, then as it was the first non-Barry score after he’d defined the sound for six films in a row, then it is rather by definition doing what Barry was doing. There wasn’t anything but the Barry sound when it came to Bond!
Give me Zimmer over Newman any day of the week.
Hey, before this gets out of hand, @jetsetwilly is legit, not just a "poster" or a "guy" baiting, he's a lifelong member of these forums and has a right to an opinion that, in fact, many of us share. He was not baiting, he was making some humour out of it, if a bit hyperbolic in his sarcasm. Do get along fellas. In fact, you two should get along just nicely.
Here's an opinion, there isn't a "Barry sound", as Barry had many brilliant works. There is a "Bond sound" with which Barry infused the early Bond films. Just as there isn't a gun barrel in the books (dah). Binder's and Adam's designs and Barry's Bond music became quintessential Bond. That is what's all about regarding the cinematic James Bond. Hey, I'm a Fleming purist and a novels fan. But I do appreciate the James Bond films as they are. A thing of their own. And the "Bond sound" is as much of a thing as the gunbarrel and the opening titles. Take that away and you've got something else, not a Bond film. Can you do variations on the gunbarrel and the opening credits, and the sound? Of course. But change them entirely and you've changed what Bond films are all about.
See? An opinion not unlike @jetsetwilly's. Do carry on now :-D
Is RCP confirmed?
Cheers Univex. B-)
We certainly can. We can also joke about our differences as well, can we not? Not everything is intended to be patronising. ;)
Well, I of course was looking at it in the context of the entire series, not just the entries before it and my opinion of it remains the same. To do it your way would shift the goalposts a bit and narrow the field of view on something intended to be looked at broadly.
But, if you really wanted to look at that way, I'd still stick by my own guns in the sense that it doesn't sound like a Barry copycat despite following his template established with the six films previous. So, whichever way works for you is fine.
No prob, old pal. I see you're looking a bit Scottish these day,...less...well, Welsh. Hope your love for Dalton hasn't diminished throughout the years.
About the sound, I'm glad if this Romer business turns out to be true. Never been a fan. I'm still hoping for some orchestral (even if synthesised) greatness from Balfe. He's good with themes, as proven by His Dark Materials on the BBC.
Of course people will now speculate on everything and also rehash favorite composers, etc. Who is this Barry person some of you speak of? ;)
Seriously, I'm fine with Zimmer. I feel a bit bad for Romer, but that is part of the business (dealing with things like this). "out there" can mean a thousand different things, so I'm not going to try to imagine that really. It's irrelevant now anyway. Interesting if Cary really wanted this change - and I think that bodes well for him, in general; means he's taking the whole "Bond film" music seriously. I don't mind if the composer is not a slave to former Bond films' music. I do like a melody, though, especially with the theme song (different from composer, I know). We shall see. But I'm still quite positive about the film, and feel the change of composers is probably warranted and a good thing we will have someone new. Probably Zimmer or someone on his team. I really don't mind that at this point.