NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Discuss Hans Zimmer's Score

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  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Bounine wrote: »
    I’m excited about Zimmer finally being behind a Bond film. I suggested his team back in the Casino Royale days. I like the Batman soundtracks for the most part.

    This. :-c
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I never thought of Zimmer as a bad composer, though he can be a bit generic in my opinion. I was rather hoping for something more experimental and with that in mind I quite liked the original choice of Dan Romer.

    I was interested in what Romer would bring to the table too but they’ve found a good replacement. :)

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    Any hopes for a decent 007 soundtrack has been blown to smithereens, I am not saying Zimmer is nothing but a lot of his soundtracks sound the same and add nothing new. I do not expect anything at all from this composer on such a rush job.

    I do hope that with a new 007 we get a new composer who actually wants to create a new sound for the next generation 007 movies which aims for a new standard which Barry put so prominent on the map.
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    I would be intrigued to hear Zimmer of course I am of the David Arnold school but hopefully Mr Arnold will be back one day...

    It is interesting we have had nearly every Chris Nolan team member except for obviously the man himself might this be a hint at the director for Bond 26... I am not a huge fan of Nolan but the franchise can do far worse
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    One thing is certain: Christian Clemmensen is gonna rip the score apart on his site!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    One thing is certain: Christian Clemmensen is gonna rip the score apart on his site!

    Zimmer is to Clemmesen what Michael Bay is to Mark Kermode. Always enjoyable to read even if he's a bit (or a lot) OTT in his criticisms.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I'd say let's wait until we hear what's provided.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    One thing is certain: Christian Clemmensen is gonna rip the score apart on his site!

    Zimmer is to Clemmesen what Michael Bay is to Mark Kermode. Always enjoyable to read even if he's a bit (or a lot) OTT in his criticisms.

    I can already see paragraphs dedicated to his befuddlement over Arnold being passed over and how it’s a crime that needs to be taken to high court with everyone being sworn in by placing their hands on a Goldfinger vinyl cover album.


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  • 00Dalton700Dalton7 Portsmouth
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Any hopes for a decent 007 soundtrack has been blown to smithereens, I am not saying Zimmer is nothing but a lot of his soundtracks sound the same and add nothing new. I do not expect anything at all from this composer on such a rush job.

    I do hope that with a new 007 we get a new composer who actually wants to create a new sound for the next generation 007 movies which aims for a new standard which Barry put so prominent on the map.

    Exactly! While I wanted Arnold back I was hopefully with Romer.

    The last 5-10 years lots of previously excellent composers seem to just be bolted onto big franchise fare at the last minute and do a workman like job. Serviceable but not memorable.

    At least Arnold would’ve done it with some passion. Zimmer seems like he will just treat it as another gig on a large list of gigs this year.

    I too look forward to new composers who want to challenge the Bond sound and make it there own.

    It’s still an absolute travesty that for all the years Barry did it he never got an Oscar for Bond.

    Thomas Newman rocks up with a half hearted attempt at a score and gets the Oscar thanks only to the timing of the 50th anniversary. I guarantee any other composer who worked on Skyfall would’ve got the Oscar just because they decided Bonds 50th was reason enough.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Any hopes for a decent 007 soundtrack has been blown to smithereens, I am not saying Zimmer is nothing but a lot of his soundtracks sound the same and add nothing new. I do not expect anything at all from this composer on such a rush job.

    I do hope that with a new 007 we get a new composer who actually wants to create a new sound for the next generation 007 movies which aims for a new standard which Barry put so prominent on the map.

    Exactly! While I wanted Arnold back I was hopefully with Romer.

    The last 5-10 years lots of previously excellent composers seem to just be bolted onto big franchise fare at the last minute and do a workman like job. Serviceable but not memorable.

    At least Arnold would’ve done it with some passion. Zimmer seems like he will just treat it as another gig on a large list of gigs this year.

    How have you come to that conclusion?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Thomas Newman rocks up with a half hearted attempt at a score and gets the Oscar thanks only to the timing of the 50th anniversary. I guarantee any other composer who worked on Skyfall would’ve got the Oscar just because they decided Bonds 50th was reason enough.

    Also because of the Skyfall theme song.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    One thing is certain: Christian Clemmensen is gonna rip the score apart on his site!

    Zimmer is to Clemmesen what Michael Bay is to Mark Kermode. Always enjoyable to read even if he's a bit (or a lot) OTT in his criticisms.

    I can already see paragraphs dedicated to his befuddlement over Arnold being passed over and how it’s a crime that needs to be taken to high court with everyone being sworn in by placing their hands on a Goldfinger vinyl cover album.


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    And I'll be there. I've already slipped the judge and jury a brown envelope each. ;)

  • 00Dalton700Dalton7 Portsmouth
    edited January 2020 Posts: 78
    Because Zimmer has been slumming it with the likes of Batman Vs Superman in most recent years.

    He does still make great scores (Interstellar) but he’s got very little time and so many other projects. It seems like a last minute decision rather than a creative one and I’m dearly all will get is a generic soundtrack. I’m
    Very much hope I’m proven wrong.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Because Zimmer has been slimming it with the likes of Batman Vs Superman in most recent years.

    He does still make great scores (Interstellar) but he’s got very little time and so many other projects. It seems like a last minute decision rather than a creative one and I’m dearly all will get is a generic soundtrack. I’m
    Very much hope I’m proven wrong.

    What does "slimming it" mean?
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    He had little time to do Pirates, and that turned out as iconic as it could ever be.
    And those who say his scores all sound alike clearly don't know all of his music. He's very eclectic. And has brewed some stellar composers, such as Balfe, in his team.
    It's been six years since I was this interested in a Bond score. If it turns out to be bad, I'll be the first one to say so, trust me.

  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,247
    Scoring a Bond film must be something Zimmer had always wanted, so I don't think he'll joke with it...even with the little time he's got. am sure he must have been surprised at the offer, which is the more reason he'll definitely create a good score....I don't think his sherlock Holmes score which is a detective film, sounds like his previous scores. So it gets to show he knows when he's in a different movie or franchise. And Zimmer's not desperate for a breakthrough of any sort....he's already a living legend. And coupled with his hands being full at the moment, if he had never wanted to work on a Bond film, it was the perfect time for him to decline.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 16,359
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Scoring a Bond film must be something Zimmer had always wanted, so I don't think he'll joke with it...even with the little time he's got. am sure he must have been surprised at the offer, which is the more reason he'll definitely create a good score....I don't think his sherlock Holmes score which is a detective film, sounds like his previous scores. So it gets to show he knows when he's in a different movie or franchise. And Zimmer's not desperate for a breakthrough of any sort....he's already a living legend. And coupled with his hands being full at the moment, if he had never wanted to work on a Bond film, it was the perfect time for him to decline.

    Yeah that makes sense to me. He may not have all the time in the world to work on it but it seems likely he wanted to do it.

    Does anyone find the banker character in CR reminds them of him? :)
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,247
    mtm wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Scoring a Bond film must be something Zimmer had always wanted, so I don't think he'll joke with it...even with the little time he's got. am sure he must have been surprised at the offer, which is the more reason he'll definitely create a good score....I don't think his sherlock Holmes score which is a detective film, sounds like his previous scores. So it gets to show he knows when he's in a different movie or franchise. And Zimmer's not desperate for a breakthrough of any sort....he's already a living legend. And coupled with his hands being full at the moment, if he had never wanted to work on a Bond film, it was the perfect time for him to decline.

    Yeah that makes sense to me. He may not have all the time in the world to work on it but it seems likely he wanted to do it.

    Does anyone find the banker character in CR reminds them of him? :)

    Exactly!...he looks like Zimmer. His name is Ludger Pistor & he's also German. So he could easily play a Swiss Banker in CR. And he was one of the baddies Magneto killed at the Argentine Bar in X-men First class.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    The main theme from Pirates of the Caribbean is iconic, nothing else about the score is though.
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    mtm wrote: »
    xolani wrote: »
    Hans Zimmer is like a McDonalds burger. Makes you happy for a short moment, gives you a sugar rush - but seldomly more. When you wake up the next day, you won't remember this interesting culinary experience that you had last night. You won't broaden your horizon - but you also won't be disappointed.
    Looking forward to being proven wrong.

    See that’s where I’m at with Arnold, which is why I find so many requests for his return a bit puzzling. A hummable tune occasionally but thin stuff over all. For me, Zimmer has shown many times he can actually conjure a bit of power behind his music if he needs and I’d say folks have posted quite a few examples of that in this thread over the last day or so.
    The only power in Zimmer's tunes comes from layering as many tracks as the most recent speaker system will tolerate. His approach is, the one with the biggest muscle wins, not the one who is most clever or most elegant.


    SaintMark wrote: »
    Any hopes for a decent 007 soundtrack has been blown to smithereens, I am not saying Zimmer is nothing but a lot of his soundtracks sound the same and add nothing new. I do not expect anything at all from this composer on such a rush job.

    I do hope that with a new 007 we get a new composer who actually wants to create a new sound for the next generation 007 movies which aims for a new standard which Barry put so prominent on the map.
    May I offer my sincerest support for this post?
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    mtm wrote: »
    Does anyone find the banker character in CR reminds them of him? :)

    Damn it! That's it! That's been nagging me for years. :-D
  • 00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Because Zimmer has been slimming it with the likes of Batman Vs Superman in most recent years.

    He does still make great scores (Interstellar) but he’s got very little time and so many other projects. It seems like a last minute decision rather than a creative one and I’m dearly all will get is a generic soundtrack. I’m
    Very much hope I’m proven wrong.

    What does "slimming it" mean?

    I think he meant "slumming it" and it was a typo.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    boldfinger wrote: »
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    mtm wrote: »
    xolani wrote: »
    Hans Zimmer is like a McDonalds burger. Makes you happy for a short moment, gives you a sugar rush - but seldomly more. When you wake up the next day, you won't remember this interesting culinary experience that you had last night. You won't broaden your horizon - but you also won't be disappointed.
    Looking forward to being proven wrong.

    See that’s where I’m at with Arnold, which is why I find so many requests for his return a bit puzzling. A hummable tune occasionally but thin stuff over all. For me, Zimmer has shown many times he can actually conjure a bit of power behind his music if he needs and I’d say folks have posted quite a few examples of that in this thread over the last day or so.
    The only power in Zimmer's tunes comes from layering as many tracks as the most recent speaker system will tolerate. His approach is, the one with the biggest muscle wins, not the one who is most clever or most elegant.
    +1
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 16,359
    boldfinger wrote: »
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    mtm wrote: »
    xolani wrote: »
    Hans Zimmer is like a McDonalds burger. Makes you happy for a short moment, gives you a sugar rush - but seldomly more. When you wake up the next day, you won't remember this interesting culinary experience that you had last night. You won't broaden your horizon - but you also won't be disappointed.
    Looking forward to being proven wrong.

    See that’s where I’m at with Arnold, which is why I find so many requests for his return a bit puzzling. A hummable tune occasionally but thin stuff over all. For me, Zimmer has shown many times he can actually conjure a bit of power behind his music if he needs and I’d say folks have posted quite a few examples of that in this thread over the last day or so.
    The only power in Zimmer's tunes comes from layering as many tracks as the most recent speaker system will tolerate. His approach is, the one with the biggest muscle wins, not the one who is most clever or most elegant.

    No I don't think that really rings true when you listen to something like Chevaliers de Sangreal. It's not about being loud at all: it's about giving the music emotional weight.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Because Zimmer has been slimming it with the likes of Batman Vs Superman in most recent years.

    He does still make great scores (Interstellar) but he’s got very little time and so many other projects. It seems like a last minute decision rather than a creative one and I’m dearly all will get is a generic soundtrack. I’m
    Very much hope I’m proven wrong.

    What does "slimming it" mean?

    I think he meant "slumming it" and it was a typo.

    Fair enough. I thought it was a slang term I hadn't heard before
    Walecs wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
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    mtm wrote: »
    xolani wrote: »
    Hans Zimmer is like a McDonalds burger. Makes you happy for a short moment, gives you a sugar rush - but seldomly more. When you wake up the next day, you won't remember this interesting culinary experience that you had last night. You won't broaden your horizon - but you also won't be disappointed.
    Looking forward to being proven wrong.

    See that’s where I’m at with Arnold, which is why I find so many requests for his return a bit puzzling. A hummable tune occasionally but thin stuff over all. For me, Zimmer has shown many times he can actually conjure a bit of power behind his music if he needs and I’d say folks have posted quite a few examples of that in this thread over the last day or so.
    The only power in Zimmer's tunes comes from layering as many tracks as the most recent speaker system will tolerate. His approach is, the one with the biggest muscle wins, not the one who is most clever or most elegant.
    +1

    I think that's far too dismissive of a lot of his music that isn't overly muscular.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Walecs wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
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    mtm wrote: »
    xolani wrote: »
    Hans Zimmer is like a McDonalds burger. Makes you happy for a short moment, gives you a sugar rush - but seldomly more. When you wake up the next day, you won't remember this interesting culinary experience that you had last night. You won't broaden your horizon - but you also won't be disappointed.
    Looking forward to being proven wrong.

    See that’s where I’m at with Arnold, which is why I find so many requests for his return a bit puzzling. A hummable tune occasionally but thin stuff over all. For me, Zimmer has shown many times he can actually conjure a bit of power behind his music if he needs and I’d say folks have posted quite a few examples of that in this thread over the last day or so.
    The only power in Zimmer's tunes comes from layering as many tracks as the most recent speaker system will tolerate. His approach is, the one with the biggest muscle wins, not the one who is most clever or most elegant.
    +1

    I think that's far too dismissive of a lot of his music that isn't overly muscular.

    Indeed. One can't just write off a thirty year career with such a simplistic swipe.
  • edited January 2020 Posts: 5,767
    mtm wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    .
    mtm wrote: »
    xolani wrote: »
    Hans Zimmer is like a McDonalds burger. Makes you happy for a short moment, gives you a sugar rush - but seldomly more. When you wake up the next day, you won't remember this interesting culinary experience that you had last night. You won't broaden your horizon - but you also won't be disappointed.
    Looking forward to being proven wrong.

    See that’s where I’m at with Arnold, which is why I find so many requests for his return a bit puzzling. A hummable tune occasionally but thin stuff over all. For me, Zimmer has shown many times he can actually conjure a bit of power behind his music if he needs and I’d say folks have posted quite a few examples of that in this thread over the last day or so.
    The only power in Zimmer's tunes comes from layering as many tracks as the most recent speaker system will tolerate. His approach is, the one with the biggest muscle wins, not the one who is most clever or most elegant.

    No I don't think that really rings true when you listen to something like Chevaliers de Sangreal. It's not about being loud at all: it's about giving the music emotional weight.
    Well I was generalising. Obviously Zimmer has more quieter tracks as well. My point is that he rarely gives his instruments clear identities and instead mushes many sounds up. What you describe as being about emotional weight I would in most cases describe as calculated composition without true emotion and inspiration. The only thing that really is inspired in Zimmer soundtrack are the five percent of interesting noises, like the Joker intro in TDK. But there is no composition there, only soundeffect. Which can be a good thing by itself, but it doesn't substitute a well-composed film soundtrack. And I don't mean that the score has necessarily to be by an orchestra. Poledouris' score for No Man's Land is pure minimalistic synthesizer. Or take the old John Carpenter scores, which owe a lot to their synth sounds, but at their core ares solid compositions. Zimmer does not have a lot of such solid tracks.

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    Rainman's theme is overly muscular? The Gladiator theme? Inception? The Batman theme consists of only two horns, for pete's sake. The last Samurai theme is too muscular? It builds up, yes, but isn't that the point? That Shepard tone sound effect in Dunkirk wasn't brilliant? The Pirates theme isn't one of the most recognisable themes in cinema history by now?

    I'm not the man's biggest fan, but he is good, or he wouldn't be such a game changer influencer as he is. Whatever he does in a film will translate the decade's sound in both films and trailers. And he is experimental as he is mainstream. He knows his business.

    I, for one, am quite happy with this.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,247
    The rate at which RCP Composers replace other Composers these days, means Zimmer's sound is very much liked by Studios....and it means in terms of Blockbuster film scoring, Zimmer has taken over Hollywood.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Univex wrote: »
    And he is experimental as he is mainstream. He knows his business.

    That's the problem. Most mainstream things are bad since most people have bad taste.

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