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Around October/November 2014 I believe.
Don't get me wrong - I don't mind him as a person, he's wonderfully flamboyant and has lots of fans - doesn't make him a great composer though. His latest scores have been really lazy in my opinion. Hope he proves me wrong and knocks it out the park - but I'm preparing for 2hrs of bland/loud trailer music with pounding percussion, pulsing synths and building repetition. Hopefully he'll put more effort in and come up with something truly memorable and melodic which will make me eat my words - rather than something dull, rushed and cliched like pretty much every other action film out at the moment. This is a Bond film and I demand more from the score! It has a unique style which makes it stand out from the crowd. Can any of you fanboys hum anything from his Nolan Batman scores? I know I can't! Can I hum Danny Elfman? Yes.
I see Beyonce is rumoured for title song? Again - seems a safe and boring choice - plus I'm getting Austin Powers 3 flashbacks - and that's just not cool after Spectre's "brother gate"!
I thought so too – an unused demo track or something(?).
I don't know where this 'late in production' notion comes from but it plain false. Adele was appointed in early 2011 and a demo was completed in October before even the title was announced nevermind the shooting began. Newman wasn't officially listed back then and was only formally announced two months later – it's therefore safe to conclude he wasn't contracted at the first press conference. It is correct that the finished recording only was made concurrently with the soundtrack recordings and was even to be supervised by Newman himself who instead sent his orchestrator Redford for the job.
In short: Newman had a usable demo of the song at hand right from the start but only included an interpolation in his soundtrack after the producer demanded it customary. I do not imply any bad will on Newman's side other than that this wasn't his expected modus operandi from the get-go.
As you said it was roughly the same with the follow-up. If I recall correctly the title song interpolations are even credited only to Redford alone. Anyway, for the exact references I would recommend the Wikipedia article where all the respective interviews are listed. I know this for a fact since I wrote the German article myself :D
And when it comes to 'No Good About Goodbye' – you realize that this song was built from the abandonded Winehouse sessions together with some leftovers lines from earlier title song sketches?
It is one of the greatest never Bond song, it sounds like Radiohead but it feels like a song that could easily be a Bond theme. The talent in that band is most intimidating for the majority of contemporary acts out there.
Jonny Greenwood on his own is a respected and Oscar nominated film composer and Thom Yorke gained great acclaim for his Suspiria remake score.
EON and Mendes did love the song but the fact it was an older song although not released and in demo form and had been performed live it would have been ineligible for a nomination and EON were banking on another one of those after the success of Adele.
To think the Academy gave that dreary song the best song, Adele I get but 2016 best song must have been pretty barren for that screechy rubbish that Sam Smith delivered.
Man of War is in another orbit to what that garbage is.
Years later people will listen to it and say EON rejected this for Wailings On The Wall.
True, possibly the only proper Bond theme by them for they moved into different soundscapes a long time ago...
In its current form, I don't think M-O-W works well as an opening theme. Comparing the song in the video with WOTW, I'd still go with Sam Smith as the better option. However, I'm sure like Barry and TLD, the song would sound much different had EON gone with it as the main theme of SP, so its impossible to say.
Lovely song, though. I really dig it.
I think it screams Bond without being a cliched or a pastiche like what WOTW is.
The opening does tease something special, although it is just pastiche, then Smith opens his gob
" some things are just not done my dear, like listening to Writings On The Wall without ear muffs"
The song even matches the main titles uncannily, I think it would be amazing as an opening song.
That being the film would need to be worthy of such artistry and SPECTRE the released film most certainly isn't so I should be grateful that an amazing song wasn't attached to such an atrocious film.
Sorry I hate the film.
And a lot of people have claimed to be fans. In most cases it didn´t show at all.
The Lion King sequel was only direct-to-video so Zimmer relegated one of his minions to the soundtrack. Against all odds the film turned out to be quite good since it incorporated much material that was originally created for the predecessor. Some cues were so good Zimmer reused them for the Gladiator soundtrack under his own name. The Pirates soundtrack again was not important enough to be overseen by Zimmer directly so he appointed the inexperienced Badelt who in turn perfected the very same cue into the well known theme. Due to its success Zimmer took over for the sequels and – as apparent in this thread – achieved to be associated with its soundtrack as a whole. This alone I find despictable.
When it comes to Zimmer's original material it's true that it dictates the action soundtrack style in general; it's bombastic without ever drawing attention to itself – equal to trailer music or YouTube autoScore. In fact I find the utter lack of melody as well as any dynamic highly depressing. No wonder Elfman's sinister Batman march still is the character's leitmotif in place of TDK's unmelodic droning. In essence Zimmer's usage of an orchestra mostly equals the subtlety of one very expensive ship's horn.
Still he is highly successful since his scores work adequately for the audience and are always delivered on-time and in-budget due to this questionable workshopping process. Plus he understands to stay in the conversation as shown in the video above...
Beyonce seems like a bit of a naff choice for the theme though imo. I was hoping that Craig would be able to use his clout to get someone cooler (he wanted Radiohead last time). Beyonce would be another Adele/Smith. Bland safe poppy choice. Bit boring.
I don't know why they don't just throw money at Arctic Monkeys until they say yes. We haven't had a rock theme for ages. They're insanely creative and versatile (why do you think they've outlived pretty much all the other indie bands from that era?). And they're big enough to still get the song in the charts, maybe have a chance at that best song Oscar, etc. They have big commercial appeal, are actually a cool and interesting band, and Alex Turner did some very Bond sounding stuff on the first Last Shadow Puppets album. Bet Craig loves them too. Seriously how has this not happened yet they'd literally be perfect.
i think for me - the reason i just don't really care for Zimmer's work is just that is has no replay value.. it works fine in the movies, and THAT IS the most important part obviously.. i dont want shit music in the movie - but man does it sound awesome on my home stereo lol... it's function is to serve the film, and as long as it does that - fine.. but beyond that, just judging the music alone by itself, there just isn't anything that stands out.. now he does have the exceptions like Lion King, Inception, Pirates.. but using the Batman Begins / TDK and TDKR soundtracks as an example - the music just isn't that unique, or memorable - nothing leaps out and sticks with you (at least for me it doesn't) - now compare that to Elfman's or Goldenthal's scores from Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever.. from a musical arrangement standpoint, i find those scores vastly superior..
I'm on your page but I think a rock themed song is off the cards and given Lipa and Sheeran were a possibility I'll take Beyonce.
Though yes Turner would smack it out the park and imagine Craig would be a fan knowing he is one of Radiohead.
Though in the 90s Portishead, Massive Attack, Pulp just to name a few passed over, these artists would have nailed it but they went for much safer choices instead.
Lets just hope we don't get anything as insipid as the last theme.
Agreed. They all sound like trailer music to me.
I would guess @thelivingroyale is referring to this, which didn't even take me a second to recall.
Oh, snap!
http://petergabriel.com/news/grammy-nominations-for-peter-gabriel-thomas-newman/
http://petergabriel.com/news/oscar-nomination-for-down-to-earth/
True, the Craig era is probably still above Brosnan in terms of theme songs for YKMN alone. I like TWINE to be fair and obviously GE's is decent but yeah, as much as I'll always defend that era, the theme songs did strike me as a missed opportunity.
Pulp actually recorded something for TND I think but it was rejected. Seems weird that they never capitalised on the Britpop thing. Brosnan was pretty much the Britpop Bond. Big, loud, crowd pleasing movies, not the most groundbreaking/innovative, but enough swagger to paper over the cracks. Pulp would have probably been the best choice over some of the more famous bands. Bit more arty and better suited to Bond. To be fair though while either of their bands would have probably been too lairy I reckon Noel Gallagher or Richard Ashcroft could have knocked up a decent ballad.
I'd take the Brosnan themes (DAD aside) over some of Moore's though. Controversial opinion maybe and yeah, LALD is probably the best Bond theme, Nobody Does It Better is good and A View To a Kill is a tune. But overall I reckon that's my least favourite era for theme songs. TMWTGG I think is dire, Bassey's MR is overrated and probably her worst, and FYEO and All Time High make me feel like falling asleep. As terrible as some of the Brosnan/Craig ones are, at least none of them are as bloody boring as those two.
They should have asked Portishead (huge John Barry fans), Goldfrapp or even Massive Attack as well. A lot of missed opportunities in that era, and not just in the music department.
Every era has a few duffers. Looking at Moore's tenture - I'll admit that All Time High missed the mark entirely and Moonraker whilst lovely (that string work is sublime) - they should have picked another vocalist. I like TMWTGG more than the average person, but it's no classic. The rest are all solid and I find the quality way above the Brosnan title-songs.
Portishead, Massive Attack or Goldfrapp might have been interesting choices in the 90's.
I like that Asian , she also have a YouTube channel , Tina Guo, she could be in zimmer team for NTTD.
All right! Give this cat an instrumental Bond theme. Forget about bland and boring Beyonce.