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I know it was his first one and he was probably more eager to please than he was later down the line, but Barry did use FRWL quite a bit in his score.
And of course he was happy to use Monty Norman’s Bond riff the whole way through.
I think it’s just been a lack of opportunity: the songs have just been written too close to the films’ release for the composers to feature them fully. Arnold was happy to slip in a few bits of Another Way To Die where he could, but Forster had also encouraged him to write some of the score before the film was even shot, so it would have been too late to feature it fully.
I will never give Monty Norman the credit for the bond theme no matter what the courts decided.
If it wasn't for the pair of them, we wouldn't have had that iconic music.
Well that’s just silly. Norman clearly wrote the riff part if nothing else, there’s no doubt about that. I don’t think even Barry disputed that.
Norman wrote the riff but it sounds nothing like the bond theme imo.
That's why barry did the james bond music in future films and norman didn't.
Concerning the courts decision, I think Barry could have made a better case of trying to claim co-authorship. The fact that he tried to claim that the theme was entirely his was so egotistical and stupid of him. He probably assumed that his celebrity was enough to sway the courts, and no doubt seriously underestimated the fact that Norman actually documented his work on the theme very meticulously.
It's the same tune, he wrote it.
Yes, agreed; he went in too strong. It should have been a co-writer credit. I think he was also ill and missed some of the court case too, and it just all went wrong for him.
When you listen to Dr No the riff is clearly Norman's and the rest of the Bond theme that Barry came up with was built around and based on that riff, so although I give Barry the credit for its success and suspect he wrote the majority of it, the theme wouldn't exist without Norman. And as I've never liked Barry's 007 theme, I'm glad we got Norman's one! :)
I think most of it was due to barry. If you watch the featurette on dr no (which i'm sure most bond fans have seen),Norman seems to go on about a song he had in a musical and when he sings it it doesn't sound anything like the bond theme.
Then barry scores the fantastic frwl theme (music,opening credits) and even the ohmss theme (music, opening credits) shows how good he was.
But he didn't put 'Unlucky Sneeze' in the film, when you watch Dr No his version of the riff is in there, and it is the Bond theme. Not played on guitar, not given the Barry stylings (which obviously lifted it a great deal) yet, but he wrote it. It's not really a debate, sorry.
Barry didn't write the FRWL theme.
No, it definitely sounds like the Bond theme. Ultimately, what won the case in his sole authorship was that he had the original manuscripts to back it up. Also, you can actually hear the Bond theme in the musical score that plays throughout the film such as when Bond is arriving at his flat and during the climax of the film.
Who did then ?
Lionel Bart
Lionel Bart. He's fully credited for it.
It doesn't annoy me at all, it's just never done anything for me. I don't think it quite works as a theme for Bond in that it only really works in a triumphant circumstance. The Bond theme can work as that, but also as a spying theme, a danger theme, even a comedy theme at times.
The OHMSS theme would be a great alternate Bond theme, I'd be happy with that. I'm just not keen on 007, it's just a personal taste thing. I don't think it even really sounds very 'Bond-y'; it's a bit old-fashioned.
Imdb has Lionel Bart From Russia with Love (lyrics: "From Russia with Love")
I am talking about the music at the start of the film not matt munro's song.
He wrote the song.
He wrote the song and the lyrics, he was a songwriter. At that point Barry had not written a successful song before, so they got Bart in to do it because he was a big West End songwriter.
The music over the credits is an arrangement of Bart's song and the Bond theme together.
Bart's song is quite mellow and barry does a great job in livening the music to another level.
Barry should get the credit for that too. imo
Barry was still involved with the song: Matt Munro was his choice of singer. George Martin recorded it.
This conversation is about composers, including Barry, being happy or not to include compositions by other artists. Barry was. He even worked with Bart again the next year on another film where Bart composed a military march and Barry used it in his score.
I guess AVTAK's 'He's Dangerous' too, to a lesser extent maybe.
Very, very true on that as well. I think it's even a revamped rendition of OHMSS's theme . It has OHMSS's DNA.
Two videos with snippets of the original score (in bad quality, but it's better than nothing) have surfaced on YouTube. Better than I expected and definite hint of CR vibes in the second track.
I've spoiler tagged here, and the tracks are unnamed and do not give away any plot points, but obviously don't click and play if you don't want to hear the music. Track one is just over 1 min and track two is about 25 seconds.
I think track one is also a slightly cleaner version of the track posted earlier this year.
Yeah I know that they “don’t go in for that type of thing anymore” to quote Q. We can’t have the full theme anymore because that reminds us of the “bad old days” I guess. Give me a break! What’s worse is when fans get excited when they give us a little snippet of the theme, when we should expect it full-force in each movie. It’s almost as if we’ve come to accept this as the “new normal” and then get excited when they throw a little bone our way. I find this unacceptable. It’s the theme representing the franchise and should be embraced by the producers wholeheartedly for each film!!
That clip above is a bit of music which has been looped to play under the presenter of the podcast as he speaks: it's not how the track will appear in the film.
I think the clever work chris did above may also have killed the guitar slightly.
I agree wholeheartedly with you on this. Please give us guitar riff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
True. He did. I think he started doing that with Moore's Bond to suit Moore's lighter take on the character. But with Dalton, he brought an electronic, synthpop sound with the guitar in it, even if it wasn't the traditional Bond guitar riff, you could feel it was harder than Moore's style of the Bond theme.