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His interview actually kinda supports what NTTD is doing. He didn't say that there couldn't be a female 007 as a supporting character, did he? Just that James Bond shouldn't be female and basically remain the titular character... which is still the case.
Then don't bother with buying a ticket and wasting your time with this "disaster". That will keep that blood pressure of yours down (you're getting triggered by a quote from an actress selling an angle of this film (to, you know, bring in a demographic that may not usually go to a Bond film-- unless hubby or BF drags them out to it)).
Lol what does that have to do with anything? Are you aware how many former Bond girls came out and said James Bond should remain male? From Eva Green, to Hale Barry and most of all Barbara freaking Broccoli. Even Daniel's wife Rachel Weisz made a strong case for Bond to remain male.
Are you even aware of this or do you just want to live in your bias bubble and be outraged over something you can't even prove?
Also the filmmakers involved In NTTD are way too good to compare them to lightweight popcorn fare like Terminator Dark Fate or Charlies Angels.
I agree with you on one point though. I don't like Naomis recent comments. But they contradict what Phoebe has been saying and she wrote those characters!
That's ridiculous. Bond will always go after a woman because of how attractive she looks.
Isn't that what many folks are asking for? That Bond's personal history isn't put on display the way it was in Skyfall and Spectre. That's actually not a concern or complaint of mine, but I don't see the comment as at odds with anything.
Though attractive women and Bond going after them is a given, poor choice of words there.
Unless it's Mary Goodnight, then it just looks like he's taking advantage of a woman with special needs.
I agree on all Accounts.
Naomis comment's should be ignored because she sounds like she has no clue what shes talking about.
She is clearly in marketing mode here, and dialing up the novelty of it all. We had many women drive the plot forward in Bond. For example Sophie Marceau WAS the plot in TWINE. And what about Tatjana, Domino, Solitaire, Melina, Kara etc?
And also it really seems like people think it's going to be a theme of the story? Can't it just be a realistic and progressive choice that makes actresses want to be the characters they're portraying? Which in turn will make more and more talented and respected actresses want to be apart of the franchise?
Nothing seems to be ever good enough. Personally i think the Bond films have made an outstandig job of making the femals more central and important to the plot (if you like that sort of thing).
But some gals still think it's not good enough and Bond needs to treat women 'better' whatever the hell that means. So i changed my mind... I am taking a different approach now.
Naomi, Ana and Phoebe seem to be so full of confidence that with NTTD they have FINALLY achived this ultimate Mission, so i say this: Convince me.
Pure and simple.
I will be sitting in the theatre and judge for myself whether the women are portrayed in a better light (on their own of course, we're not talking about Bond here) than in all the previous films. So i want to see for myself what this revelation is going to look like... And they better deliver and don't make me go "yeah, it was alright i guess" because i will never believe a single word from a Bond girl ever again :))
Indeed. We've come a long way from the days of divisive casting choices like Terri Hatcher and Denise Richards, and it's all thanks to Craig's run for attracting more international talent. Whatever you may feel of the Madeline character, Lea Seydoux is a pretty remarkable actress to get. With her second appearance, I hope NTTD does her character justice.
Most people on this site are bitching, and it's 99% male from what i can tell. Doesn't mean the same isn't true for how the girls talk in interviews.
I mean they don't really bitch, because they only talk about how great it is what THEY did. But consequently often make it sound like they have nothing but contempt for what came before.
Anyway my point still Stands. If this is supposed to be sooo much better than anything before it, they better convince me.
And blatantly saying that the reasoning behind all of this is just because they like to bitch is just unfortunate, and again if I said that about anyone on here, it wouldn't go down well with quite a few. We all have the right to want something more from a franchise that prides itself on moving forward and changing with the times? And you can't blame these filmmakers and actors for listening, and applying their own thoughts and ideas.
Fair enough, i've been listening to a ton of stand up comedy lately and i like to talk frank, but i can see that people don't often pick up on my humor or sarcasm (i guess putting lol's in every second sentence doesn't cut it anymore.)
Of course i don't mean to be disrespectful, but if i hear BS i just wanna point that out.
And I wish there were more female members here. Way more. Would be way more interesting. I would much rather hear them respond to my comment and have a real debate about Naomis comments, from a female perspective as well.
"Fans", who assume, or, in other cases, WANT, Bond to fail, are spewing the usual...
Did they watch the AM scenes in NTTD we watched in August (that was Bond behind the wheel, guys)?
Did they watch the BTS with Bond and Felix?
It was DC who tore ligaments doing a stunt in Jamaica... Not Ana, Nomi, or even Felix....
I will always go back to the originals to prove to guys with small hands:
Sylvia Trench was a woman who was out, in the middle of the night, gambling, drinking, smoking and BROKE INTO A STRANGER'S HOME, just to have sex with him; she wanted that. Bond didn't force it...
Tatiana was a honey-trap... and accepted her assignment... she used her sex to trap an opposition member (maybe we men should be insulted that in 1963 they thought so little of us, or; there's a truth that het-men get dizzy around beautiful women?).
Jill and Tilly Masterson (both independent; sisters: one chose sex as an income (just to be seen-- which hints that Auric isn't into women); the other is the protective and seemingly older sister, who, in the novel, is attracted to Pussy, not Bond. She's an unapologetic lesbian...--
Pussy, in the book, and strongly hinted at in the film ("You can turn off the charm. I'm immune"), was a lesbian/bi-sexual. I say bi, coz, in the film Goldfinger asked her, subtly, to take care of Bond... She agrees.
So I now wonder: that cringey scene where Bond forces himself on her, was that Pussy's set-up? Did she "let" Bond "take her", just for Felix and the CIA's cams taking pics?
Fiona?
Domino (not a bimbo)...
Aki and Kissy
Tracy who saves Bond as much as he saves her......
But you don't need to tell that to US. We get it, i get it.
Tell it to the new Bond girls.
In CR bond and vespers romance is actually believable. Neither had the intention of seducing or loving each other it just happened.
In Spectre it really isnt as believable.
That’s why I’m hoping the rumor that swann betrays bond in matera is true
I don't think in any way that they're denying any of those Bond girls that have been mentioned above, and others, any respect or admiration, but just frankly addressing that this film is not gonna have its Bond girls fall into the tired tropes and two-dimensional approaches that can happen and have happened. Also didn't they praise a couple of old Bond girls in an interview, and Naomie has done so before?
Just as I'm sure you probably weren't trying to "paint things with a wide brush" like @Birdelson put, maybe the same can be said for them. They're definitely some women who love to bitch, but not all. They're definitely unfortunate tropes that female characters fall into in this franchise, and sometimes there isn't. Can we blame them for not wanting any of the female characters in this film to fall into those traps by making a conscious effort?
...and @Tuck91, whose saying the film won't let the characters flow on their own and will be one gender vs another? And surely Madeleine betraying Bond is the opposite of letting the characters flowing on their own and not being one gender vs another? You also said the other day you want Nomi to be a traitor? So you're answer to characters you don't know anything about in the context of this film is for them to be bad and die because...
If you want the audience to care about your characters, you need to care about your characters.
I cared for vesper because it felt authentic. Swanns performance fell flat for myself and many in Spectre. It’s hard to get everyone to care right off the bat in NTTD.
On little separate note, I think the only thing that is gonna disappoint me about the female characters in this film is that none of them will be villains, and to add no I don't think any of them will betray Bond. That's quite a tired trope of the Craig-era. It has be done well in some cases but it's just too much.
What they did to Silva in Spectre was really frustrating and is something I've actually personally retconned and refuse to believe haha, and while we didn't like what Spectre did in certain ways, to try and fix it as a whole in No Time to Die would be a bad idea.
Not that I'm against any of those things (although it would feel weird in a future to see no sexual activity in a Bond film), and I'm very much hyped for their characters, but I just question the results of this narrative after so many times it's been used.