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I know what you mean. My feelings exactly.
As for how this one ends that's where I get concerned. If they have made Nomi 007 how does she continue to be 007 and Bond takes another double-o number? If they have Nomi give back the double-o designation and she takes another number doesn't that make it just as bad? The white male comes back and the African American female has to return what is rightfully hers. If Nomi doesn't make it out alive as double-o-7 are we saying that women can't be double-o's?
I don't see a good way to end this. Except for maybe Bond rides off into the sunset and retires for good. But then that would imply a reboot again for the next Bond and I really don't wish to relive how Bond became Bond.
So my concerns are based on the next film and not so much this one.
On the one hand, I do hope they can retain all of the current MI6 crew, all of whom I think are excellent. I'd be happy to M, Q, and Moneypenny all have long tenures.
On the other hand, the repeated destruction of the MI6 building, the introduction of Blofeld as Bond's brother, the "old and washed up" angle . . . these set up narrative difficulties for Craig's tenure.
Hopefully the next fellow can have a clean slate in that regard.
Oh I hope so. No more angst for a while, please. It's fine for Craig, though.
The only one I'd really want to stay is Fiennes. And we know that's been done before, many times actually.
We'll have to wait and see. I, for one, don't believe any will stay on after Craig's gone.
By and large I was hugely let down by this trailer, and I can explain why.
For the most part all of my issues with it comes from a feeling of "been there, done that" and recycling material already explored through Craigs four films. I have already seen Bond having trading barbs with strong female characters in CR and SF, and Nomi looks like it will play out in a similar way. Bond going into hiding, or retiring was a concept already explored, so seeing Bond being lured back from his tropical retreat for a secpnd time doesn't hold the same allure. Again, we have a characters hidden past forming the basis of the story, this time Madeline, in SF it was M, and in SP it was Bond. We have the DB5 back again, and with hidden gadgets which while cool on the face of it, leaves me saying "we're doing this again!" It feels like we can never move on, and inparticular I'm never wowed by the DB5 anymore because I've seen it so much, and the gadgets behind the headlights are such a tired reveal at this point.
And M's speech about "the world is changing faster" paranoia seems like a hangover from SF/SP, analysising whether there is still a place for Bond in the modern world. It feels like exactly the same ingredients from the last four films, juat shaken up into a different cocktail. My main concern is that even if the result is better than SF and SP, it still won't feel like a "new" Bond film, because we have seen so much of this already in other movies, sometimes multiple times.
Although, I must say, I'll be deeply concerned if the trailer for Bond26 shows all of those traits. I'll be reacting like you are, believe me. I promise.
Agreed on a lot of this post.
I do get an uneasy feeling regarding this film, especially with the snippets of dialogue i've heard. "Stay in your lane Mr.Bond/ If you get in my way i will put a bullet in your knee..." I mean, really???
And as for, "The world has moved on Commander Bond.." Very weak.
I feel the same way. While yes the film looks colorful and vibrant it feels like we’re getting more of the same right down to the voiceover with M as you stated.
While the trailer has some action I’m not getting a heavy action vibe from the film.
I think the main sequences are matera and Norway 3rd act.
Cuba looks a little generic with nomi. It seems there will be some drama in London with Madeline and Blofeld. Jamaica looks like maybe some drama light action though.
They weren't that big to begin with, i got swept up a little in all the wokeness talk, even though deep down i knew better.
Bond is front and centre in this film, and will not be upstaged by anybody. The shot of him raiding Safins lair on his own is one of the most badass shots in all of Craigs Bond films.
As for Nomi, i said it before, there is really nothing new or fresh here. It's more marketing talk than anything. It's not even a critique, it's just that EoN has done it all before. Nomi is just another in a long line of badass female agents. She has the skills of gals like Wai Lin, or Jinx, with the attitude of Miranda Frost or basically every other femme fatale that Bond ever met, Naomi, Mayday, you name it... only difference here is, well, i honestly struggle to find what is so unique about her at this stage. Except that she might have better choreograped action scenes, but that's just modern, updated filmmaking. And she has a license to kill. But so did Jinx, so did Wai Lin, so did Triple XXX, and many others, just not for the british government.
The knee line is controversial only, because EoN deliberately left out Bonds reaction and response. Probably to make her look like she has the upper hand, which will not be the case in the final film. Bond being Bond, he will have a proper response for that sort of verbal challenge... i mean there are so many places he could take that exchange to,
Bond could go "Well, my chiropractor won't like to hear this" while opening a bottle of Bollinger in the background... "drink?".
I'm also glad that there is still a hint of flirtiness to her, i'm interested to see where they will take her and Bond's relationship.
Overall i am very pleased with what we got, and we barely know anything about the story, which is great.
Actually he is with nomi in the raid.
yeah, i noticed. There are some shots with her and without her. Which makes sense. If she really is as capable and they develop a mutual respect, it would be stupid for Bond not to ask her for help, or to team up as they are fighting the same enemy after all. But since we see many shots of Bond alone (confronting Safin on his own, for example) it makes me think she either dies, gets captured (possibly injured) or switches sides, miranda frost style.
“It feels like exactly the same ingredients shaken up into a different cocktail”.
You’ve just described Bond films.
That's the whole thing is how this all ends is how I want to see hopefully something spectacular and Bond comes out on top it be very anticlimactic if not.
I wish they wouldn't refer to Bond as being old and past it, as much as they have done in the last few films. I wish that wouldn't have done it outright in the trailer.
I just feel like we haven't seen Daniel's Bond as the man in his peak for as long as we should have. Sure it makes for a more exciting adventure but I can't help but feel cheated that we haven't seen one mission from Bond in his peak
I love that shot of Bond looking out across the lake. It's amazing how they make the landscape look peaceful and ominous, and how they make Bond look relaxed but also restless. I know that doesn't make much sense but I know what I mean
Maybe Madeline dies and bond looks after the child
Yeah and that would line up with the twist and turns Noami Harris read when she read the script from Barbara.
Haha very funny
Imagine if the film ends with Bond and Paloma in yellow dinghy. *Chills
Even though I feel you're over the top with your Craig pessimism, I think you've hit many of the points that I'm concerned with also. I loved the Jamaican trailer too. It felt fresh. I was really hoping for something completely different after SP. Of course you'd have to address Madeleine and Blofled, but after that I wanted to go in an entirely different direction.
That being said, and I end all my posts in NTTD threads this way, I remain hopeful that I will love this film. I will give it a fair chance. I have a feeling we are in store for some big surprises. Let's hope they are good ones.
I could see them putting the gunbarrel at the end again. This time because Bond is retired to begin with and perhaps when he regains his title at the end they cue the gunbarrel.
On top of that, I could see Nomi doing a May Day honorable sacrifice maneuver to make things work out for everyone, assuming she is in fact 007. The black/female character then doesn't lose the credibility and our protagonist regains his title.
I'm sure I'm probably dead wrong, but I don't think there's really any other plausible outcome that doesn't end up in backlash of some kind.
oh god, i hope they dont screw with gunbarrel again.. your logic makes sense, but i pray to St. Sir Rog that it doesn't happen anywhere but at the start of the movie..
something maybe to ponder tho - how about a PTS that doesn't feature Craig?.. again, i am doubtful it will happen, but it would be an interesting way bring us into this world 5 years later.. have the PTS actually tease with Lynch as the new 007 on a mission that intos us to what might service the plot for the rest of the movie - cue opening titles - then after that we cut to Jamaica, seeing Bond enjoying a tranquil retirement..
Well I hated the franchise after LTK (1989), which was the last decent film, and didn't like it again until CR (2006).
So I kept on board (reluctantly) and got my Fleming film again, but had to persevere and wait 17 years, not 13 years. So nothing that odd about this. We Fleming purists hang in there, hoping EON finally give us what we want, with each new film.
This is why I hang in there anyway. In the hope that the next film may give us more what I want. It happened in the past, so why would it never happen again? Trends change, audiences change, execs who are in charge also change too (here's hoping)!
Well said mate! That is pretty much how I feel now about the trailer now, but couldn't quite put my finger on it until I read your post. You are right. The trailer sums up the entire Craig era after CR. Its all recycled with the same old stuff - someone has another secret, strong female characters, outlandish vehicle stunts and the old DB5 taking the centre stage spotlight again. Another pointless continuous arc storyline that should really have been put quietly to bed after QoS.
Nothing in that that trailer suggests to me that the new film will be any different to the previous film, SP. EON are not taking the film into a different place this time round. I guess we won't get that until a new actor is brought on board.
Correction - Craig's Bond films.
The Craig films don't reflect what came before with Connery, Lazenby, Moore or Dalton.
This nasty `Fleming re-imagined' soap opera drama crap started with Brosnan's reign, under Cubby's daughter, where she admittedly redeemed herself momentarily with CR, but then came back with a vengeance for the rest of Craig's tenure. The Fleming books are tossed aside, instead giving way to silly retcon crap that had nothing to do with Fleming, with strong female nemesis, Bond going rogue again and again, lots of secrets, M, Q and Moneypenny now taking centre stage alongside Bond, etc.
This new film follows a long trend that started with GE, and is not letting up any time soon, by the looks of it.