Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • Posts: 19,339
    Birdleson wrote: »
    The teaser is promising, but I still have three great concerns:
    1. The return of Madeline: any reference to SP has me on edge.
    2. The idea that they want to continue or complete Bond's character arc that began in CR. Hasn't that been the trouble? Give me Bond on a mission, with not regard to any connections to the past.
    3. All of the earlier references to Bond and the "MeToo" movement. I worry that we will get a film where Bond is regularly shown up and put in his place by female supporting characters. This may be ungrounded, but it is my fear and something that I do not want to see.

    I completely agree with all those points,they are part of my concerns as well.
    They should have got a new 007 after SP 5 years ago.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited July 2019 Posts: 4,343
    Shardlake wrote: »
    100% confident this won't be another fiasco like SPECTRE. Cary is not Mendes and is going to deliver and entirely different type of film.

    fiasco: noun - UK/fiˈæs.kəʊ/ US/fiˈæs.koʊ/ plural: fiascos or mainly us fiascoes

    "something planned that goes wrong and is a complete failure, usually in an embarrassing way".

    SP has never been a fiasco.

    The general reception wasn't great but neither bad. Some critics loved it, some hated it. On Metacritic has a 60/100, with a user score of 6.8, the same score it has on IMDb (QoS has 58/100 and 6.3, for the record). In Europe, on the other hand, the movie was definitely appreciated more than in the US.

    SP Cinemascore was the same of CR, A-.

    It's the fourth highest grossing Bond movie adjusting for inflation, earning almost 900 millions even with a US disappointing run.

    What a fiasco.
  • Posts: 16,153
    I do love the concept of Leiter recruiting Bond back into active service. From what little we have seen, the film may be quite striking visually, and it looks to have a solid cast.
    My only real concerns are post B25.

    Will this film re-ignite the franchise after the series' second longest hiatus?

    Will this film rejuvenate the series the way GOLDENEYE and CASINO ROYALE did, and give the series a whole new future?

    Or will this simply peter out the Craig era with a wimper, thus necessitating an even longer gap next time while Eon carefully decide what to do next?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited July 2019 Posts: 4,343
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Will this film re-ignite the franchise after the series' second longest hiatus?

    Will this film rejuvenate the series the way GOLDENEYE and CASINO ROYALE did, and give the series a whole new future?

    Or will this simply peter out the Craig era with a wimper, thus necessitating an even longer gap next time while Eon carefully decide what to do next?

    I don't think the franchise needs to be re-ignite, since a lot of people still thinks Craig is a great Bond - while being super open about another ride with him - and the last two made the best at the box-office since 40 years. But I understand what you mean, and I don't think 25 will be a "game changer" for the general audiences the way CR or SF were.

    But I'm quite confident that Fukunaga's take will give the series a big injection of freshness and energy, especially after Mendes retro combo.
  • RC7RC7
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    The teaser is promising, but I still have three great concerns:
    1. The return of Madeline: any reference to SP has me on edge.
    2. The idea that they want to continue or complete Bond's character arc that began in CR. Hasn't that been the trouble? Give me Bond on a mission, with not regard to any connections to the past.
    3. All of the earlier references to Bond and the "MeToo" movement. I worry that we will get a film where Bond is regularly shown up and put in his place by female supporting characters. This may be ungrounded, but it is my fear and something that I do not want to see.

    I don’t think this is going to happen. The other two, yeah, you might have a problem with those.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2019 Posts: 25,087
    I am quietly confident we will get a good film, unlike a few I won't tie myself in endless knots obsessing about every minor detail released officially or made up by the press. I will do what I have done for the last twelve Bond films, go to the cinema and have a great night watching my favourite series. If I don't like it so be it.

    The choice of composer is the only niggle I have, though if I am proven wrong and he delivers I will hold my hands up.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    IMO they have even earned the right to throw in a quick, mocking reference to the Craigisntbonders or to those who cried "James Blonde" or "James Bland" like five-year-olds who aren't getting any candy from mom and dad. Something subtle of course. ;-)

    My favorite was during a red carpet Eva Green interview at the premiere of CR, where the interviewer brings up CraigNotBond and she just rolls her eyes before giving compliments to Craig and the filmmakers.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    This is probably a good idea, this thread - it may unclutter the other Bond 25 threads. Here's hoping, anyway.

    For me, I have full confidence in Bond 25. Yeah, I do. Very happy with what I'm seeing and I have faith in the director and cast.
  • Posts: 19,339
    This is probably a good idea, this thread - it may unclutter the other Bond 25 threads. Here's hoping, anyway.

    For me, I have full confidence in Bond 25. Yeah, I do. Very happy with what I'm seeing and I have faith in the director and cast.

    Of course this thread is a good idea,gal,I created it he he ;)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I should have posted my full statement: ;)
    "Well, as a shocking surprise move by Barry, this is one thread of his that may stand a chance of being really helpful to this bickering forum."
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    Well, as a lot of people have noted, a troubled production like this is usually not a good sign. It just makes it harder for everyone involve to do good work under those kinds of conditions.

    Also not sure how they are going to handle Madeleine. If they have her get killed for another tragic love story it will just be kind of lame since they already did that with Craig in CR.
  • Posts: 19,339
    I should have posted my full statement: ;)
    "Well, as a shocking surprise move by Barry, this is one thread of his that may stand a chance of being really helpful to this bickering forum."

    Haha well played....touché !
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    CountJohn wrote: »
    Well, as a lot of people have noted, a troubled production like this is usually not a good sign. It just makes it harder for everyone involve to do good work under those kinds of conditions.

    Also not sure how they are going to handle Madeleine. If they have her get killed for another tragic love story it will just be kind of lame since they already did that with Craig in CR.

    A lot of people had noted? Oh. Didn’t know that. Didn’t know they also are on set to see this troubled production unfold.

    Thanks for the info; I will now presuppose this film is as doomed as you say coz some ppl say it’s doomed coz not that they read stuff in a newspaper, but coz, like, they just know. Like really, really, really know.

    Thanks for the accurate portrayal of The Titanic— I mean Bond 25.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I have my concerns. I see people gush about Fukunaga daily about colour palettes and whatnot, but i'm, hearing very little when it comes to action (which is as important, if not more so, when it comes to Bond). I've said before, I would rather they stick to the company man (or woman) types who won't try to reinvent the wheel.
  • Posts: 12,526
    I have no worries about another new Bond film. My concern is what lies beyond it and how long the wait will be?

    So I am just going to enjoy the next 8 to 9 months of build up to the Bond 25 movie release! :-bd
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The_Reaper wrote: »
    My biggest concern is that Bond will get "woke" and go down the same road as Dr. Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, and other franchise that have become feminist/SJW propaganda machines. Looking at the cast it is starting to feel that way. Maybe it's just the director's thing to hire black actors but the diversity level of this film just feels like tokenism, something Bond has now suffered from for decades.

    We had to have a female M in the 90s, had to make MP black, Felix Leiter black, now we may have a black female MI6 agent (or main Bond girl depending on how things shake out), and other cast members who fill some quota. Sure, the location in Jamaica means there will be a higher percentage of black people but is this a decision to improve the story or keep make the PC Nazis happy? I dunno. I will hope for the best but if Bond goes down this road I'm done with the series.

    So... black people don’t deserve the same opportunities as white people?

    And seriously, Star Trek? That’s a franchise that has called for diversity since 1966 with its multiethnic casts, and has been largely SJW. It never had a perfect track record (look at the treatment of Janice Rand in “The Enemy Within”), but a large part of it’s appeal is showing humanity embracing diversity. Even Spock’s IDIC emblem literally stands for “Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations”.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited July 2019 Posts: 4,515
    Worried:

    Hope Universal will make exeption and will do wide!! release of a soundtrack (Possible released by Decca). Afraid we wil not get or even more limited release then it already be (means only avaible in the usa). If needed the soundtrack should be avaible at Blokker stores too.

    Also with bonusmaterial it can go two ways with them. 2 (BD + Bonus Disc) or 3 (BD + Bonus BD + DVD) disc edition with DTS-X it should be. Only commentary track, Jamaica vlog, Charles visit to the set is not enough and trailers and tv spots should be there too. Isolated score be nice too. And i stil like to see two disc BD versions (by prefer earlier bd updated + bonus disc) of earlier movies.

    Spoilers by media. Judi Dench M death back in 2012. Madeline or Bond going to die, Lashana Lynch or Anna screentime ??
    Lies by media about pacing of the movie.

    Spoilers in first trailer who there should not at. Like Mr White is Madeline father see Spectre.

    Bourne Ultimatum writer
    Bond 26 not in 2022
    The things we haven;t seen yet in meaning of contuned things

    Madeline have nothing said part who is bigger then Lashana Lynch (SF repeating)

    Not like:

    2015 - 2020
    Astin Martin DB5.

    Like so far:
    Big part of Videoblog.
    There going to use various cars
    Felix is back and played by Jeffrey Wright
    Judi Dench is possible seen on picture on the wall at Mi6, nice as refrence to her and fact the directer worked with her before but sadley enough for him can't work with her any more at Bond movie. Whyle of ourse it is possible it only be for feature about Charles visit the set.
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 1,220
    The only thing that worries me about this film is the idea of doubling down on the personal Bond/Blofeld/Spectre connection. The whole foster brother aspect was incredibly hokey and out of place. It makes sense for Madeleine's past to be explored, given her father was Blofeld's right hand, but I'm really not interested in seeing a return of Vesper or Bond/Blofeld's familial relationship, I think they're best served to move on from that.

    There's enough meat to chew on for Bond's arc personally given his decision to leave the service, his struggles adapting to the mundanity of civilian life (bringing it back to Fleming), Bond's aging/obsolescence in a quickly changing world and potentially
    the death of his wife/lover
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    The only two minor concerns I have are,
    1. Lashana Lynch being 007. God please no.
    Nothing against Lashana personally, but I don't want to see anyone else be 007 or James Bond other than the man playing James Bond. I don't really want to see her co starring and sharing the film with Daniel in his last film. He shared too much screen time in Spectre for my liking, let him be the star of the show.
    A female 007 just feels like the producers pandering to a feminist movement.

    2. Too many self references nods, there were too many in Spectre and it almost became DAD level distracting. Give us something new, an occasional nod is nice but too many just becomes too much. I do love the Vantage making an appearance though

    These are only very minor concerns though, because I'm so excited for this new film. The great cast and also I'm excited about the new energy Cary is bringing to the movie. April can't come soon enough, roll on the trailers and the title reveal
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited July 2019 Posts: 4,043
    matt_u wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    100% confident this won't be another fiasco like SPECTRE. Cary is not Mendes and is going to deliver and entirely different type of film.

    fiasco: noun - UK/fiˈæs.kəʊ/ US/fiˈæs.koʊ/ plural: fiascos or mainly us fiascoes

    "something planned that goes wrong and is a complete failure, usually in an embarrassing way".

    SP has never been a fiasco.

    The general reception wasn't great but neither bad. Some critics loved it, some hated it. On Metacritic has a 60/100, with a user score of 6.8, the same score it has on IMDb (QoS has 58/100 and 6.3, for the record). In Europe, on the other hand, the movie was definitely appreciated more than in the US.

    SP Cinemascore was the same of CR, A-.

    It's the fourth highest grossing Bond movie adjusting for inflation, earning almost 900 millions even with a US disappointing run.

    What a fiasco.

    This my personal opinion and to me that description sums the film up. I have it at no. 24 in my rankings.

    I'm not one of those who was a huge critic of this era, in fact I pretty much loved it and still rate the other 3 films highly and they reside in my top 10, to have a huge advocate turn this way says a lot for me.

    So to me personally it was a fiasco, I'm not talking about boxoffice or some of the silly OTT reviews it got in the UK. They are irrelevant to my personal view of the film, so yes once again fiasco works fine for me.
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    Must say that all of the worries in this thread resonate with mine. I've got them all. And I'm still optimistic ;)
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    I'm worried about the SP connections, the MeToo BS, the score, and the beautiful locations being tarnished by color grading again.

    However, I have faith in Fukunaga and most of the people he's brought on board.

    My honest feeling is that I'll like it more than SF/SP but not as much as CR/QOS. I'm happy with that.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,779
    Full of confidence describes me.

    I'm going to enjoy most everything ramping up to the release of the film.


    DarthDimi wrote: »
    IMO they have even earned the right to throw in a quick, mocking reference to the Craigisntbonders or to those who cried "James Blonde" or "James Bland" like five-year-olds who aren't getting any candy from mom and dad. Something subtle of course. ;-)
    Man, I love those moments.

    Craig can't drive a stick: QOS opens with an intense car chase--maybe the best driving Bond's ever done.
    Bond isn't the Hulk: QOS opera sequence, OO7 breaks off the door handle with ease.
    Craig is too short: QOS again, Felix offers Bond pills to make him taller.

    QOS doomed the franchise: SF's title courts the Chicken Little reaction that literally the sky is falling.
    Bond isn't blond: SF's villain is a platinum blond. For perspective, I guess.
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    Am I the only one who looks forward to the idea that this movie may acknowledge the #MeToo movement? I think that would be great. I love the fact that the Bond movies have progressed massively with their attitude towards women from the Dalton days, through the Brosnan era right up to Craig. Long may that continue!
  • Posts: 698
    TR007 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who looks forward to the idea that this movie may acknowledge the #MeToo movement? I think that would be great. I love the fact that the Bond movies have progressed massively with their attitude towards women from the Dalton days, through the Brosnan era right up to Craig. Long may that continue!
    I'm with you 100%. Bond has always had great and interesting female characters, and I argue that Bond needs to continually evolve to stay relevant.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Acknowledge how. Seems like Bond would be against the mistreatment of anyone, including by sexual harassment and sexual assault. That's not a totally new concept.

    On the other hand if Bond reads someone accurately and comes on strong to a willing partner, that's altogether different. To me that goes back to Patricia Fearing and Pussy Galore, how it played out on screen.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    TR007 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who looks forward to the idea that this movie may acknowledge the #MeToo movement? I think that would be great. I love the fact that the Bond movies have progressed massively with their attitude towards women from the Dalton days, through the Brosnan era right up to Craig. Long may that continue!

    Would you look at this, a Bond fan that is actually fascinated with the idea of contextualizing a Bond film in today’s era instead of wanting to pretend it’s still 1962.
  • Posts: 678
    I would have zero concerns if it weren't for the Spectre leftovers being carried over to this film.

    However I too am hoping there isn't some passing of the torch to Nomi.
  • Posts: 678
    I have my concerns. I see people gush about Fukunaga daily about colour palettes and whatnot, but i'm, hearing very little when it comes to action (which is as important, if not more so, when it comes to Bond). I've said before, I would rather they stick to the company man (or woman) types who won't try to reinvent the wheel.
    I also agree with you on this.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I would have zero concerns if it weren't for the Spectre leftovers being carried over to this film.

    However I too am hoping there isn't some passing of the torch to Nomi.
    If Nomi is given the 007 codename for the portion of the film that Bond is off active service, it wouldn't be a bad idea. However, I highly doubt there will be a passing of the torche to her character. I think Bond will re-earn his 007 codename towards the end of the film, before the climax.
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