Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    We haven't see the film, the climax of the film might well top the Matera segment or equal it.

    That car chase at the end doesn't exactly not look thrilling.

    Skyfall's pts is spectacular and thrilling but I wouldn't exactly say that the Scotland climax is any slouch.

    Whereas SPECTRE the pts is by far the best part of the film, so I'll give you that one.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Also I don't know about anyone else but that Casino Royale finale in Venice has always stuck with me :)

    I actually think I prefer Craig's approach to a finale. I appreciate that they try to take it the extra mile by not having everything come to an end at the villain's lair, with the exception of QoS, but to be honest there's a reason that film is the shortest Bond film.

    And @Shardlake, you're exactly right. Who knows? Also, it seems from what we've seen so far that the film will be so sprinkled with action that I think every location is gonna be just as exciting as the last.
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    Obvious point perhaps, but personally, I feel the reason some PTS'es can feel as exciting as some of the film's climaxes isn't necessarily just how thrilling they are, but also the fact that you get those sequences without the "baggage" of a story leading up to that point. You're just thrown into it (which sort of makes it a tough act to follow).
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Obvious point perhaps, but personally, I feel the reason some PTS'es can feel as exciting as some of the film's climaxes isn't necessarily just how thrilling they are, but also the fact that you get those sequences without the "baggage" of a story leading up to that point. You're just thrown into it (which sort of makes it a tough act to follow).

    Valid remarks!
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    It's all in your point of view. To me the Goldfinger PTS is hard to top because it has no connection to the actual story and is it's own mini adventure. Those are the one's that can be as spectacular as they want to be because they are not part of the story "baggage". It's when the PTS are part of the main storyline that it bothers me when I feel they put to much material (action or story content) at the beginning of the films. I have my fingers crossed for NTTD and that we don't get another FYEO.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited February 2020 Posts: 4,043
    To be honest PTS that are connected to the main film aren't as many as you think.

    The only definitive ones are the below and no I don't buy possibly one of the most famous SWLM as not connected to the main film due to triple X's lover being killed and that element coming back into the film later on, so for me that isn't separate.

    GF
    MR
    FYEO
    OP
    TND

    That is it actually, all the others have either a mild connection or a very strong connection.

    The idea of separate mini movies is like one of those things that gets attributed to the series yet it is very few and far between.

    That is 5/25.
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    To be honest PTS that aren't connected to the main film aren't as many as you think.

    The only definitive ones are the below and no I don't buy possibly one of the most famous SWLM as not connected to the main film due to triple X's lover being killed and that element coming back into the film later on, so for me that isn't separate.

    GF
    MR
    FYEO
    OP
    TND

    That is it actually, all the others have either a mild connection or a very strong connection.

    The idea of separate mini movies is like one of those things that gets attributed to the series yet it is very few and far between.

    That is 5/25.

    You're right; I was just thinking about this when I was watching OP's PTS, and how it is actually one of the few that isn't connected whatsoever to the main film. Even MR has a little bit of connection with the shuttle part. You could even stretch FYEO with the revenge lecture Bond gives Melina.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited February 2020 Posts: 8,182
    Also TND has Henry Gupta getting the decoder at the black market.

    It’s really just GF, FYEO, and OP that are totally independent from the rest of the movie plot.
  • Well, as long as we're looking for tenuous connections to the plot, at the end of the GF PTS, it is mentioned that Bond is catching a plane to Miami, where we see him later.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Also TND has Henry Gupta getting the decoder at the black market.

    It’s really just GF, FYEO, and OP that are totally independent from the rest of the movie plot.

    I was going to say Thunderball considering Jacques Bouvar's death doesn't really have a direct influence on the rest of the plot. However, on the other hand, I suppose the fact that he was a SPECTRE agent is enough of a connection to exclude it.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    MR also has Jaws before and after the titles.
  • Posts: 12,466
    Also TND has Henry Gupta getting the decoder at the black market.

    It’s really just GF, FYEO, and OP that are totally independent from the rest of the movie plot.

    I was going to say Thunderball considering Jacques Bouvar's death doesn't really have a direct influence on the rest of the plot. However, on the other hand, I suppose the fact that he was a SPECTRE agent is enough of a connection to exclude it.

    I thought about that too, but it does fit the minor connection category since Blofeld mentions it at the meeting (plus it’s another blow Bond has dealt SPECTRE; there’s a great sense of growing tension between Bond and the organization from DN to OHMSS).
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    patb wrote: »
    My only real concern is the script/plot. Any script writer would prefer a blank sheet of paper. I fear they may have been in a similar situation re the last SW movie where the main role of the writer was to find an effective way to tie up the loose ends rather than write a great story. This is made harder by the fact that his is DC's last film and we cant really rely on the future Bond to carry forward any themes so everythng has to be concluded to the satisfaction of the audience as the final titles role.

    This is a tremendous challenge for any script writer. Plus the "comings and goings" re the writers perhaps indicates that no one write came up with a superb concept that ticked all of the boxes.

    This film is a mess based on what you say here then. They should have moved on but no Barbara can't help it.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    It amazes me that articles talk about these being separate from the films when it reality they aren't.

    It is almost seen a trademark of the series when talking about them.

    I hadn't watched TND in ages (I'm in no rush) so wasn't sure but I remember now Ricky Jay is in the PTS and he is also one of Carver's stooges.

    TB because JB is a Spectre agent and it gets mentioned after the PTS yet again it is connected.

    So really only.

    GF

    FYEO

    OP
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Craig has proven to be a SJW cuck and it's disappointing to say the least. We can only pray the film is not woke garbage but it's beginning to look that way. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/daniel-craig-takes-issue-term-175841478.html

    I hope the film isn't woke garbage either I worry about it too.

    @007Blofeld same but as i said many times. Reserve the judgement for April. Still i can't wait to see it in imax @-)

    @Resurrection I hope I wrong bit I just don't feel that excited or enthusiastic for some reason.

    I feel sorry for you. Couldn’t be more excited for a new Bond after waiting 5 years.

    I hope you do it's hard to look at Bond anymore it's being destroyed in front of my eyes.
  • Posts: 1,859
    The unevenness of Bond started with DAF as far as I'm concerned. Since then the series has had its share of ups and downs. One of my big worries about NTTD was the music but after hearing the title song and the snippet of Zimmer's "Bond" style, that has been laid to rest.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    delfloria wrote: »
    The unevenness of Bond started with DAF as far as I'm concerned. Since then the series has had its share of ups and downs. One of my big worries about NTTD was the music but after hearing the title song and the snippet of Zimmer's "Bond" style, that has been laid to rest.

    Maybe the same will happen with me and my worries which are not music related but I don't know at this point I know I'm not alone at least.
  • Posts: 1,859
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    The unevenness of Bond started with DAF as far as I'm concerned. Since then the series has had its share of ups and downs. One of my big worries about NTTD was the music but after hearing the title song and the snippet of Zimmer's "Bond" style, that has been laid to rest.

    Maybe the same will happen with me and my worries which are not music related but I don't know at this point I know I'm not alone at least.

    One niggle at a time.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    delfloria wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    The unevenness of Bond started with DAF as far as I'm concerned. Since then the series has had its share of ups and downs. One of my big worries about NTTD was the music but after hearing the title song and the snippet of Zimmer's "Bond" style, that has been laid to rest.

    Maybe the same will happen with me and my worries which are not music related but I don't know at this point I know I'm not alone at least.

    One niggle at a time.

    A big niggle
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,133
    Well unlike most things, you do have a choice here.
    We generally need a job. To eat, sleep and to be healthy and happy.
    But being a fan of something is not compulsory.
    No one is forcing anyone to be a Bond fan.
    If I felt that strongly, I’d probably take a step back. Rather than get worked up over it.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Benny wrote: »
    Well unlike most things, you do have a choice here.
    We generally need a job. To eat, sleep and to be healthy and happy.
    But being a fan of something is not compulsory.
    No one is forcing anyone to be a Bond fan.
    If I felt that strongly, I’d probably take a step back. Rather than get worked up over it.

    Its passion
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,182
    I hope it's woke as hell.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    I hope it's so much woke that all the simps start dancing around naked and claim all hail feminism .
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  • edited February 2020 Posts: 3,327
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    The unevenness of Bond started with DAF as far as I'm concerned. Since then the series has had its share of ups and downs. One of my big worries about NTTD was the music but after hearing the title song and the snippet of Zimmer's "Bond" style, that has been laid to rest.

    Maybe the same will happen with me and my worries which are not music related but I don't know at this point I know I'm not alone at least.

    I hear you. My fear is that the films are getting too dragged away from Fleming. I have no doubt NTTD will look spectacular, will have some thrilling action scenes, will probably sound great. The acting will probably be top notch too.

    My fear is the Scooby gang being centre of the action again, lessons not learned from SP, the story focusing too much again on past secrets, family angst, etc.

    This has been the biggest gripe with the Craig era. I hope I'm proved wrong, and the film has loads of lifted scenes from unused Fleming novels, has Q, M and co. firmly back in their rightful place at HQ, focuses more on Bond on a straight forward mission again, etc. etc.

    But the trailer doesn't hint at this. Instead it hints at more of the same that we saw in SP.

    Anyway, we'll all know the outcome in a few weeks time.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,182
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Why?

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    In all seriousness, I find the reaction to "woke" "feminism" "SJW" by some so over the top that it's almost entertaining. If it were a parody, the deep seated fear would be that the womenz will conquer the world and reduce men to breeding stock. A world without baseball, barbecue, and cat calling women. OH THE HUMANITY.

    I mean, the reaction to a black woman possibly being the new 007 was so over the top I can't imagine it would have been the same if it turned out another straight white male just got the number after Bond left.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited February 2020 Posts: 13,978
    Wanting something to happen, just to screw with others, is normally the hallmark of incel trolls.

    I don't have an issue with "woke/sjw/feminists/those group(s) of people" their ignorance and/or intolerance helped Kingdom Come: Deliverance sell above the expectations of the developers. I think once word got around of how good it was, I think it would have sold well enough, but their complaining on twitter (I am shooketh) brought the game free advertising. Which is funny, becuase that normally happens the other way around. Film featuring strong female character? Oh noes, bAn itz naow.
    Who would have thought that a game developed with the intent on being more historically accurate, set in Medieval times, in a part of Europe where there were no black people.... has no black people in it!

    God be with you, twitter warriors.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Shardlake wrote: »
    It amazes me that articles talk about these being separate from the films when it reality they aren't.

    It is almost seen a trademark of the series when talking about them.

    I hadn't watched TND in ages (I'm in no rush) so wasn't sure but I remember now Ricky Jay is in the PTS and he is also one of Carver's stooges.

    TB because JB is a Spectre agent and it gets mentioned after the PTS yet again it is connected.

    So really only.

    GF

    FYEO

    OP

    GF, if I recall correctly, has Bond mention that he's about to take a plane for Miami. That's very thin, I know.

    Also I've always felt that FYEO's PTS had a thematic connection to the rest of the movie as both Bond and Melina seek revenge for someone they cared.
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
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    Walecs: You literally may have just made one of the smartest connections I've seen when it comes to the FYEO PTS, I never considered that idea but..dang that's actually a connection that makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    So now, can anyone connect the OP PTS to the rest of the film? Love the ideas behind connecting GF and FYEO :)
  • edited February 2020 Posts: 1,859
    After the latest director Vlog all my niggles are gone. All I can say now is, I'm ready.
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