Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • Posts: 17,753
    delfloria wrote: »
    I find films likes Star Wars, Indy and James Bond impossible to watch on TV. Sure I have digital copies and love to watch BTS material that way but I get no pleasure about sitting at home watching a Bond film as opposed to seeing them in a theater. The audience reaction and participation are such a major part of the experience for me. Maybe it's that Boomer thing because I grew up seeing the series in theaters from the very beginning when they re-released Dr.No and FRWL. If released on streaming first, it would kill the film for me because even if they released it later in theaters the audience reaction would greatly affected.

    For me it's the other way around; I don't get much from watching films at the cinema other than a night out. To really enjoy a film, I need to watch it at home.

    On a side note: I'm always puzzled when someone mentions audience reaction and participation. I've never experienced that at the cinema. People just watch the film, and that's it. At most, I've heard a few laughs when watching a comedy.
  • conradhankersconradhankers Underground
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    14 days of reshoots? tested badly? Or is it really because of the global marketplace? FF is being released on time as well BlackWidow. Ummmm
  • Posts: 787
    It’s been a few days since the news of the delay and now that I’ve digested it fully, it’s honestly not that bad. 8 months? It’s not great, but also not a terrible idea. For example, Halloween Kills wrapped production back in November 2019 and it’s not being released until - you guessed it! - October 2020. That’s almost a solid year of the movie sitting in the can until then. I’m sure there are many other films that have done the same.

    Yeah we’re not going to get NTTD when it was originally intended. But bottom line, it’s coming.

    In the end you're probably right; we'll get the film and the chance to be excited about it sooner or later, and not much use in worrying in the meantime.

    On the other hand, I do wonder if it'll be difficult to regain the lost momentum of marketing and etc for EON. Now that the film's shot, they won't be getting the benefit of news coverage on location, for instance. The general 'heat' around the film will dissipate and it will be that much more difficult to crank the machine back into action in November.

    I'll see the film and enjoy regardless, I'm sure. But for the sake of the franchise we all love I hope they can pull off a solid result - 250 million is a lot to chew. . .
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
    edited March 2020 Posts: 265
    octofinger wrote: »
    It’s been a few days since the news of the delay and now that I’ve digested it fully, it’s honestly not that bad. 8 months? It’s not great, but also not a terrible idea. For example, Halloween Kills wrapped production back in November 2019 and it’s not being released until - you guessed it! - October 2020. That’s almost a solid year of the movie sitting in the can until then. I’m sure there are many other films that have done the same.

    Yeah we’re not going to get NTTD when it was originally intended. But bottom line, it’s coming.

    In the end you're probably right; we'll get the film and the chance to be excited about it sooner or later, and not much use in worrying in the meantime.

    On the other hand, I do wonder if it'll be difficult to regain the lost momentum of marketing and etc for EON. Now that the film's shot, they won't be getting the benefit of news coverage on location, for instance. The general 'heat' around the film will dissipate and it will be that much more difficult to crank the machine back into action in November.

    I'll see the film and enjoy regardless, I'm sure. But for the sake of the franchise we all love I hope they can pull off a solid result - 250 million is a lot to chew. . .

    You’re right on the money (no pun intended) regarding the momentum that’s been built up around the film; this health crisis has surely stopped it dead in its tracks. I’m sure it can be regained again and the promotional machine will be cranked up to garner interest but at the same time, so much can happen between now and November and it’s difficult to imagine how this will all pan out.

    I know there’s got to be a few folks on here who are worried and/or concerned about the financial aspects of such a delay. For me, though, I’ve never really been much interested in domestic and overseas box office numbers, how much a film grosses, etc.; when it comes to franchises like Bond, I think the films will make bank in any event, and the Coronavirus is no different.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is if the postponement detracts from the global box office...eh, it’s no huge loss because, for me, I’m just looking for a solid film at the end of the day: nothing more and certainly nothing less.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/lashana-lynch-james-bond-interview?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1583516179
    This film wont do well regardless if the reviewers will pan it for being woke whether its released now or after. I can see the review headlines now great action but story is terrible. Wokest 007 ever. I don't think it will make a buck just reading this a few white people really how racist. I'm taking a break from Bond I think.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    [quote=The audience reaction and participation are such a major part of the experience for me.

    For me it's the other way around; I don't get much from watching films at the cinema other than a night out. To really enjoy a film, I need to watch it at home.

    On a side note: I'm always puzzled when someone mentions audience reaction and participation. I've never experienced that at the cinema. People just watch the film, and that's it. At most, I've heard a few laughs when watching a comedy. [/quote]

    Yeah I'm with you there. I would love to experience that 'audience reaction ' you often read about.
    I can honestly say that without exception I've never sat in a cinema and had a collective audience reaction.
    I've seen many many films in the cinema, often with big crowds and have only experienced the occasional communal laugh from the audience. Obviously a live performance in a theatre is very different but for me a cinema always seems a more passive experience. I think it's the reserved British thing a little bit. (I'm British BTW) I've always imagined the cheering, applauding crowd stuff is what American audiences do. I mean that as nothing other than a compliment by the way, I imagine it greatly increases the enjoyment of a film.

  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    For me, though, I’ve never really been all that much interested in domestic and overseas box office numbers, how much a film grosses, etc.; when it comes to franchises like Bond, I think the films will make regardless in any event, and this is no different. I guess what I’m trying to say is is the postponement detracts from the global box office...eh, still not a hugebloss for me, as a fan, because at the end of the day, I’m just looking forward to a solid film. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Finally, someone else.

    Oh god, I was writing so fast I didn’t realize I had so many typos!

    But yes, critical acclaim. That, to me, is the best indicator of a film’s quality. Heck, even a bad film can make bank all day long.
  • RC7RC7
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/lashana-lynch-james-bond-interview?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1583516179
    This film wont do well regardless if the reviewers will pan it for being woke whether its released now or after. I can see the review headlines now great action but story is terrible. Wokest 007 ever. I don't think it will make a buck just reading this a few white people really how racist. I'm taking a break from Bond I think.

    Good.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited March 2020 Posts: 3,126
    RC7 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/lashana-lynch-james-bond-interview?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1583516179
    This film wont do well regardless if the reviewers will pan it for being woke whether its released now or after. I can see the review headlines now great action but story is terrible. Wokest 007 ever. I don't think it will make a buck just reading this a few white people really how racist. I'm taking a break from Bond I think.

    Good.

    I'm back haha. Anyway I do find it the article distasteful.
  • Posts: 1,680
    The film definitely feels less British and way more American. Whether that’s a response to Spectre is not for sure
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    The film definitely feels less British and way more American. Whether that’s a response to Spectre is not for sure

    I think it feels less British because both SF and SP felt very British, possibly the most British a Bond film ever felt. And I don’t say that because they both have large scenes and setpieces set in the UK, but there’s a lot of that British mentality, that dry humour, that stiff upper lip in the dialogue and direction.

    But I don’t get the sense that NTTD feels distinctly American either. We can’t say much about the dialogue yet (I feel like a few edited sentences in a trailer is not enough for such conclusions), but I agree that the vibe doesn’t scream UK. I think it feels very worldly, globe-trotting. The Jamaican scenes feel like they truly belong in that area, not that they were shot on a US set.
    The film looks more glamorous, though, so maybe it’s that feeling?
  • Posts: 727
    delfloria wrote: »
    I find films likes Star Wars, Indy and James Bond impossible to watch on TV. Sure I have digital copies and love to watch BTS material that way but I get no pleasure about sitting at home watching a Bond film as opposed to seeing them in a theater. The audience reaction and participation are such a major part of the experience for me. Maybe it's that Boomer thing because I grew up seeing the series in theaters from the very beginning when they re-released Dr.No and FRWL. If released on streaming first, it would kill the film for me because even if they released it later in theaters the audience reaction would greatly affected.

    For me it's the other way around; I don't get much from watching films at the cinema other than a night out. To really enjoy a film, I need to watch it at home.

    On a side note: I'm always puzzled when someone mentions audience reaction and participation. I've never experienced that at the cinema. People just watch the film, and that's it. At most, I've heard a few laughs when watching a comedy.

    He's probably an American. They behave like monkeys in the theatre over there.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    delfloria wrote: »
    I find films likes Star Wars, Indy and James Bond impossible to watch on TV. Sure I have digital copies and love to watch BTS material that way but I get no pleasure about sitting at home watching a Bond film as opposed to seeing them in a theater. The audience reaction and participation are such a major part of the experience for me. Maybe it's that Boomer thing because I grew up seeing the series in theaters from the very beginning when they re-released Dr.No and FRWL. If released on streaming first, it would kill the film for me because even if they released it later in theaters the audience reaction would greatly affected.

    For me it's the other way around; I don't get much from watching films at the cinema other than a night out. To really enjoy a film, I need to watch it at home.

    On a side note: I'm always puzzled when someone mentions audience reaction and participation. I've never experienced that at the cinema. People just watch the film, and that's it. At most, I've heard a few laughs when watching a comedy.

    He's probably an American. They behave like monkeys in the theatre over there.

    As a Canadian I have a similar experience with theatres as @Torgeirtrap. Still probably different than USA however.
  • Posts: 17,753
    cwl007 wrote: »
    The audience reaction and participation are such a major part of the experience for me.

    For me it's the other way around; I don't get much from watching films at the cinema other than a night out. To really enjoy a film, I need to watch it at home.

    On a side note: I'm always puzzled when someone mentions audience reaction and participation. I've never experienced that at the cinema. People just watch the film, and that's it. At most, I've heard a few laughs when watching a comedy.

    Yeah I'm with you there. I would love to experience that 'audience reaction ' you often read about.
    I can honestly say that without exception I've never sat in a cinema and had a collective audience reaction.
    I've seen many many films in the cinema, often with big crowds and have only experienced the occasional communal laugh from the audience. Obviously a live performance in a theatre is very different but for me a cinema always seems a more passive experience. I think it's the reserved British thing a little bit. (I'm British BTW) I've always imagined the cheering, applauding crowd stuff is what American audiences do. I mean that as nothing other than a compliment by the way, I imagine it greatly increases the enjoyment of a film.
    Agree, I would be curious to see how that kind of audience reaction is like, as it seems so different to what I'm used to seeing at cinemas. If someone had cheered or applauded…say, the DB5 making an entrance in a Bond film at my local cinema, someone would no doubt have told them to shut up.

    If going to the cinema was a bit more "active" experience, that might have made it more interesting (perhaps). As it is though, it's really just watching a film on a larger screen – with the risk of getting annoyed by people talking during the film and/or sitting on their phones all the time.

    As a Canadian I have a similar experience with theatres as @Torgeirtrap. Still probably different than USA however.
    Must be a cultural thing. It's interesting to read how different something as common as a cinema experience can be.

    He's probably an American. They behave like monkeys in the theatre over there.
    That was a bit rude…
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/lashana-lynch-james-bond-interview?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1583516179
    This film wont do well regardless if the reviewers will pan it for being woke whether its released now or after. I can see the review headlines now great action but story is terrible. Wokest 007 ever. I don't think it will make a buck just reading this a few white people really how racist. I'm taking a break from Bond I think.

    Good.

    I'm back haha. Anyway I do find it the article distasteful.

    Why do you find it distasteful?
  • Posts: 727
    It's the truth. Americans like to hoot and holler in the theatre. That kind of conduct really doesn't exist in Europe. Nothing rude about it.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    As an American, I can speak to the experience of moviegoers here. Sometimes the reactions can be great on a cathartic level, especially with event movies (Avengers, Star Wars, Bond). Other times, it can be extremely rude and obnoxious, I think.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
    edited March 2020 Posts: 814
    I’m an American and I get annoyed with some of the behavior of people in the theater. A few years ago, thanks to TCM and Fathom Events’ Big Screen Classics, I was able to see my top two all-time favorite movies in the theater, E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial and Vertigo, and the audience was obnoxious. It took until the sadder parts of E.T. until people would shut up (and the adults who have filters were louder than the kids, who don’t have a filter) and god, with Vertigo, people would laugh at parts that weren’t even close to funny. Vertigo is a psychological drama, for crissakes. They ruined my experiences. I tend to stay silent except in a few apt situations where I might laugh or cheer like in a comedy or superhero movie, but even that I do pretty quietly. The good news is these annoying experiences have been in the relative minority.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited March 2020 Posts: 7,546
    It's the truth. Americans like to hoot and holler in the theatre. That kind of conduct really doesn't exist in Europe. Nothing rude about it.

    This is an extraordinary generalization. You’re pulled in, like everyone, by a small loud minority of Americans often featured in media of all kinds, and they’re in no way indicative of all of my brothers and sisters in the south.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    I like bananas and I'm an American
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    When I was in New York, I went to see a lot of movies in different theaters, and there was hardly ever any disturbing behaviour.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    When I was in New York, I went to see a lot of movies in different theaters, and there was hardly ever any disturbing behaviour.
    But that was back when you went under the name @Shooshfinger.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    QBranch wrote: »
    When I was in New York, I went to see a lot of movies in different theaters, and there was hardly ever any disturbing behaviour.
    But that was back when you went under the name @Shooshfinger.

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  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    Fascinating comparisons. As a British audience we sit there in relative silence so as not to bring attention to ourselves I think. The most audience noise we get is from the, thankfully minority, of people who break the code of compliance by 'whispering' too loud or eating noisy food. Of course as a Brit we get angry with such people and admonish them by staring angrily at them (in the dark!) or if very angry we might stretch to a tut.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    It's the truth. Americans like to hoot and holler in the theatre. That kind of conduct really doesn't exist in Europe. Nothing rude about it.

    I've been in plenty of theatres in the UK where laughing, talking and people on mobile phones has been common.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    @Thunderfinger Haha. "Hey! Down in front!"
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    The UK is far from free of selfish noisy people in the cinema if I go by my experience.

    Mobile phones, being noisy while eating are my pet hates, I personally eat before and after my cinema experience.

    It's a wonder we have health issues around the world when some people can't stop stuffing their faces for a few hours.

    I know a majority would probably say it is part of the whole ritual, possibly a reason why I rarely go anymore.

    What you choose to do under your own roof is fine but when your insistence on doing something when you could have done it before or after the experience affects other enjoyment, sorry I find it incredibly selfish.

    Watching a film and eating food (I guess popcorn I'll tolerate) but hot dogs and smelly food why can't these be separate rituals?
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    edited March 2020 Posts: 3,996
    When I was in New York, I went to see a lot of movies in different theaters, and there was hardly ever any disturbing behaviour.

    I saw Total Recall in a New York cinema way back in the day and being from England it was a brilliant experience. No stupid adverts, just a couple of trailers and hey presto the actual film started at the time stated! Not something i was used to in UK cinemas, where you were made to wait what seemed a friggin' lifetime to actually watch the film you'd paid to see.

    I did get asked a question i'd never heard before when i asked for popcorn, which was "Regular or salted..?"
  • cwl007cwl007 England
    Posts: 611
    The local cinema I had in 1990 were more likely to ask "In date or stale and out if date for a discount?"
  • Posts: 727
    When I was in New York, I went to see a lot of movies in different theaters, and there was hardly ever any disturbing behaviour.

    I saw Total Recall in a New York cinema way back in the day and being from England it was a brilliant experience. No stupid adverts, just a couple of trailers and hey presto the actual film started at the time stated! Not something i was used to in UK cinemas, where you were made to wait what seemed a friggin' lifetime to actually watch the film you'd paid to see.

    I did get asked a question i'd never heard before when i asked for popcorn, which was "Regular or salted..?"

    That is the case over there now as well. I've heard horror stories of trailers playing for 20 minutes.
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