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That's fine if you feel that way. 007 is synonymous to James Bond to many, but not everyone may agree. I'm not opposed to creating fresh storylines. For the record, if this new 007 was a white male telling Bond to get out of his way, I would still be annoyed.
I do feel that 007 and James Bond are absolutely synonymous, and the number is there in all the posters right behind him, so why worry? They are not omitting it at all.
There is a certain agreeableness to you @peter, even when I'm strongly opposed to your thinking. In the end it makes me chuckle. We will not come to a resolution on this. You want me to believe it's the same old story, but I couldn't disagree more. A woman taking the 007 mantle is indeed new, no matter how much tweaking on the old plotlines you want to make it out to be. I'm out of time now but I will be thinking of you and hope we can continue this debate later. Peace.
Fair enough, @pachazo ... i'm 46. I've been a Bond fan since the age of four. I can only read Fleming (and Markham, aka, Kingsley Amis), but the producers have to "poke" at the edges to open up their "tent" for a wider audience. The trick and the magic about the Bond films (whether I like some eras or not), is they've done this under the umbrella of James Bond. They're amazing at what they do (with, admittedly, some major misfires: some say it's DAF, TMWTGG, MR, LTK, DAD, SP (personally my hateful bottom is SP, MR, DAD)).
But, out of 25 films, these guys know what they're doing. It's remarkable. Consistently giving us films since 1962-- about this one character.
It is magical!
And as an aside:
My "efforts to defend Craig"? I'm not sure where I have defended him, but if I did, those "efforts" were effortless. I just love the guy. Simple as that, mate.
I'm more tired of the blinkers that people put on and think this Nomi 007 thing is so radical and jolting and so outside of the franchise that this has a political agenda. That's what exhausts me...
I must have sent my last reply as you sent yours, @pachazo ... I also find your point of view interesting and debatable (although against my grain); I am not saying you have blinders on, but in general, the Nomi conversation seems to have lots on.
I love this chat and debate.
I won't ever change your mind (and I don't want to!!; I want the film to do its job, dammit!!), and I'm comfortable with where I am coming from (and the film BETTER prove my point, dammit!).
We can pick up at another point. We can continue on here. But others know you can also PM me, or email me.
EDIT: Sorry to the mods for the double reply.
I see what you mean. Very interesting, thanks!
Its clearly a radical thing and meant to push a political narrative why give her it if it's meant for Bond and they print it next to his name they don't give some else but superman his logo or Batman I know it's a job but still they own it because it's part of thier character and what Fleming wrote he never gave it to anyone else nor Cubby whatever they are running it into the ground anyway need to start over they have totally botched the Craig era even Craig admits it that they kind of are tying things together randomly. I don't want to get into this debate too exhausting and don't want to bother my time the film seems cursed for a reason anyway. All this pc stuff which it looks to be way too much of it really hampers what would be a pretty decent film. Doesn't matter how long the delay is if they try and sell woke stuff they got away a little bit of it in the past but it won't sell period now not in this generation its been proven time and time again with recent woke flops. I'm done with my spiel. Hopefully its just a nightmare and nothing is what it is but Carry on.
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I have many concerns, but my biggest issue with this film is there has been not one single mention anywhere about the film going back to its roots, going back to Fleming.
My other alarm bells ringing are Babs hinting about strong female types, so we know this could be a basis for the film.
We also know there is the nasty whiff of TWINE type soap opera in the air with Bond and Madeleine, and we get more of the dark evil whispers from the baddie again, just like we've seen time and again throughout the Brozza era, and now the Craig era. I'm so bored of this melodramatic crap.
Every time these films steer clear of Fleming and try to be clever, give us something new, something different, we usually know what the outcome is. P&W don't have enough talent to write Bond from scratch. They are light years away from Richard Maibaum, who really understood Fleming and Bond.
I can see all the hallmarks of this being Craig's TWINE and DAD all rolled into one.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
There is a video somewhere where Malek says that they go back to Fleming with this one. Apologies, I cannot remember which video it is, if I find it I'll post a link!
If you can, please post. That will give me some hope.... ;)
Still would have been nice for the director Craig himself to talk up Fleming though. I really wouldn't care less about all the talk of strong females becoming temporary 007, if at the same time we had the director saying things like `yes, we are also returning back to the spirit of the novels with this one. Craig really wanted to do this and we felt it was the right thing to do. Fleming fans will recognise lots of moments in this one....etc. etc.'
Then I would be ecstatic and November couldn't come quick enough.
I'll see if I can find it later! :-)
"I figure I may as well ask him, even though we both know what he’s going to say. Is he actually Dr No, the villain played by Joseph Wiseman in the very first James Bond movie, from 1962?
“I heard that,” he says, perfectly pleasantly. “Am I? I mean, isn’t that an exciting thing to consider all the way up to the release?” He does, however, acknowledge that “there is a resurgence of an Ian Fleming influence on this film"."
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On the point she seems to be antagonist towards a Bond. So what, many characters have been during the last 24 films and our man always comes out on top. Also many, many other films start out with 2 characters opposed to each other only to fight together later either for the greater good or because they genuinely become friends.
On the 007 thing; if NTTD was a real world and Bond retired a new agent would become 007, his number wouldn't retire with him. If NTTD was a real world a woman could become 007, so based on that 50% chance a woman it is.
What's the issue, I don't understand.
Once you have seen the film then come and complain about the Nomi character if it plays out like you expected.
Although so far you've seen a few minutes of out of context footage yet for some it is the end of the world and Barbara needs to relinquish control so some fans can get their Fleming filled wet dreams on the screen.
I haven't seen it and nobody here has, watch it then complain if you still aren't happy with the finished results.
Pure unadulterated Fleming-esque-esque-ian
I kid of course. I'd love to see The Garden of Death one day, but after 55 years since that book's release I'm not really expecting to see it until the producers say they're adapting that material.
I can’t put my finger on why, but Moonraker the novel sticks out in my mind more than any other of the novels.
Moonraker is my favorite novel.......... Second place belongs to OHMSS, FRWL, CR
NTTD seems to have quite a long running time ... so there‘s hope for a scene as mentioned above AND Craig‘s Bond back at the cards table would fit the „bookending“ topic quite nicely. There‘s hope as well as Safin having his own „Garden Of Death“ ... there is plenty of room to bring in these Fleming tropes.
I am confident about NTTD. I think the casting is marvellous, I like the title track and the bits I‘ve seen so far let me believe the film will be at least on par with „Skyfall“ which would (to me) be a huge distance to the (to me) disappointing SP.
November ... can‘t wait! I bought tickets the day the preorder startet but they got refunded of course. So I‘ll wait until I can buy new ones.
True, they can't - but they sometimes get close, even as direct novel interpretations (Dr. No, FRWL, GF, TB, OHMSS, CR), or as short stories or scenes fully adapted (FYEO, OP, TLD, LTK) or as Fleming inspired (centrifuge scene in MR, large parts of LTK, etc.)
It's no coincidence that most fans and critics alike have the Fleming adapted films in their top 5. The `original' (usually naff) storylines that deviate too far way from the tone of Fleming typically end up in the bottom 5.
This ain't rocket science.
You can say that but this is partially true. If we didn't have such a variety of film's in the series it would have shut down years ago but they will keep coming to Fleming roots no doubt about that.
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