Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • edited August 2019 Posts: 1,661
    The news about distribution company Annapurna facing bankruptcy doesn't inspire confidence!

    MI6:
    The common-sense action would be to have Universal take sole control over worldwide distribution for an additional percentage of the North American box-office. This is the deal that MGM struck with Sony to release the first four Daniel Craig films.

    But, common sense and business acumen are in short supply when it comes to Bond's American financial partner

    This is worrying because it's a sign of bad management or bad decisions or bad luck? I've never heard of Annapurna before they did the deal with Bond 25. Now I know why! They're not very good at what they do or have had massive bad luck. I think MI6's point about Universal taking sole control is excellent.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    00Agent wrote: »
    You got any sources to all of that?

    I'm going off memory, but I'll look it up and post it. EON is known for trying to put a positive spin on certain things, which is why on EON approved documentaries you'll never hear of things like Dalton and John Glen getting into heated conflicts over the direction of LTK.

    One of my favorite Bond collections is the Criterion LaserDiscs for DN, FRWL, and GF. There's rare commentary tracks on all three with all the filmmakers speaking very candidly, which included unflattering remarks about key people. EON didn't like what was said on them and so demanded Criterion to stop producing those discs, so the next batch that came out had the commentaries completely excised.

    Those have a mythical status. I have often heard about them, but never heard them for myself. :-? One wonders what exactly was said in them.

    One example: At one point I think it was Richard Maibaum who starts talking about Fleming and refers to him as a snob. You’d think it’s not a big deal, but that’s just one of many things EON didn’t like hearing. Unflattering remarks was a big no no.

    I believe the three commentary tracks can be found online if you look for them. I originally had MP3 copies of them a decade ago before I would finally acquire the discs myself.

    I’ll have to relisten to them sometime, then I’ll start a thread about it.
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    I think re Annapurna,it wont affect anything,Universal will just take over the domestic and international distribution.

    My concern now has shifted to the constant rumours of this absolutely crap title .

    And why is Craig getting the power to decide this again.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The Property of a Lady?

    At least that would check it off the list of future titles for later films.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I've never heard of Annapurna before they did the deal with Bond 25. Now I know why! They're not very good at what they do or have had massive bad luck. I think MI6's point about Universal taking sole control is excellent.

    LOL! Annapurna produced some of the best movies of the last 10 years. Do you watch only big-studios blockbusters? Among them: HER, THE MASTER, PHANTOM THREAD, ZERO DARK THIRTY, DETROIT, VICE, FOXCATCHER, AMERICAN HUSTLE, THE GRANDMASTER and a lot more.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    matt_u wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I've never heard of Annapurna before they did the deal with Bond 25. Now I know why! They're not very good at what they do or have had massive bad luck. I think MI6's point about Universal taking sole control is excellent.

    LOL! Annapurna produced some of the best movies of the last 10 years. Do you watch only big-studios blockbusters? Among them: HER, THE MASTER, PHANTOM THREAD, ZERO DARK THIRTY, DETROIT, VICE, FOXCATCHER, AMERICAN HUSTLE, THE GRANDMASTER and a lot more.

    Correct. If anything, Annapurna doing Bond is kind of an outlier for them. While they’ve produced a ton of flicks they’re mostly of the indie/drama variety. They’ve never done a film close to a blockbuster like Bond. That’s why Universal is factored in.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited August 2019 Posts: 4,343
    matt_u wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I've never heard of Annapurna before they did the deal with Bond 25. Now I know why! They're not very good at what they do or have had massive bad luck. I think MI6's point about Universal taking sole control is excellent.

    LOL! Annapurna produced some of the best movies of the last 10 years. Do you watch only big-studios blockbusters? Among them: HER, THE MASTER, PHANTOM THREAD, ZERO DARK THIRTY, DETROIT, VICE, FOXCATCHER, AMERICAN HUSTLE, THE GRANDMASTER and a lot more.

    Correct. If anything, Annapurna doing Bond is kind of an outlier for them. While they’ve produced a ton of flicks they’re mostly of the indie/drama variety. They’ve never done a film close to a blockbuster like Bond. That’s why Universal is factored in.

    Right, but the point is Annapurna is not producing Bond. They only made a US distribution deal, which is even more strange.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think that may have to do with the fact they banded with MGM to create the new UA distribution. It’s how MGM is getting back in the distribution game.
  • PussyNoMore has every confidence that Bond 25 will continue the downward spiral that has been in motion ever since ‘Thunderball’.
    These CGI action bonanzas have long been mindless fodder for the great unwashed and the sooner we stop this sofa bouncing fiasco and see a return to Fleming’s Bond the better.
    The Pussy is firmly of the opinion that the only Bond movies truly worth their salt was the Terence Young trilogy. Bond has been on movie hiatus ever since
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    PussyNoMore has every confidence that Bond 25 will continue the downward spiral that has been in motion ever since ‘Thunderball’.
    These CGI action bonanzas have long been mindless fodder for the great unwashed and the sooner we stop this sofa bouncing fiasco and see a return to Fleming’s Bond the better.
    The Pussy is firmly of the opinion that the only Bond movies truly worth their salt was the Terence Young trilogy. Bond has been on movie hiatus ever since
    So OHMSS isn't doing it for you either?
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    A few. I'm concerned about Madeline being a weak rehash of Tracy. Also I'm hoping London only features briefly again. The synopsis of Felix having to ask Bond to come back worries me that, yet again, he will be going rogue in some fashion.
  • NickThunderballsNickThunderballs Australia
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    00Agent wrote: »
    PussyNoMore has every confidence that Bond 25 will continue the downward spiral that has been in motion ever since ‘Thunderball’.
    These CGI action bonanzas have long been mindless fodder for the great unwashed and the sooner we stop this sofa bouncing fiasco and see a return to Fleming’s Bond the better.
    The Pussy is firmly of the opinion that the only Bond movies truly worth their salt was the Terence Young trilogy. Bond has been on movie hiatus ever since
    So OHMSS isn't doing it for you either?
    00Agent wrote: »
    PussyNoMore has every confidence that Bond 25 will continue the downward spiral that has been in motion ever since ‘Thunderball’.
    These CGI action bonanzas have long been mindless fodder for the great unwashed and the sooner we stop this sofa bouncing fiasco and see a return to Fleming’s Bond the better.
    The Pussy is firmly of the opinion that the only Bond movies truly worth their salt was the Terence Young trilogy. Bond has been on movie hiatus ever since
    So OHMSS isn't doing it for you either?

    So Goldfinger is not worth watching???
  • edited September 2019 Posts: 520
    00Agent wrote: »
    PussyNoMore has every confidence that Bond 25 will continue the downward spiral that has been in motion ever since ‘Thunderball’.
    These CGI action bonanzas have long been mindless fodder for the great unwashed and the sooner we stop this sofa bouncing fiasco and see a return to Fleming’s Bond the better.
    The Pussy is firmly of the opinion that the only Bond movies truly worth their salt was the Terence Young trilogy. Bond has been on movie hiatus ever since
    So OHMSS isn't doing it for you either?

    00Agent poses the most difficult of questions.
    The Pussy thinks it had some good elements. Not least of all the fact that it follows one of Fleming’s best books closely.
    That said, ultimately two things let it down.
    Firstly Lazenby’s performance. Although PussyNoMore thought he could have become a good Bond. His initial and, as it turned out, only performance was quite wooden.
    Secondly the action sequences. It was an action heavy movie and the speeded up sequences didn’t really work - even back in the day.
    Don’t misunderstand Pussy is an optimist. He lives in hope of eon getting it right and always goes to see these things but invariably comes away disappointed. Terence Young was the Bond movie God and had a completely unique touch. That man had real style.

  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    PussyNoMore has every confidence that Bond 25 will continue the downward spiral that has been in motion ever since ‘Thunderball’.
    These CGI action bonanzas have long been mindless fodder for the great unwashed and the sooner we stop this sofa bouncing fiasco and see a return to Fleming’s Bond the better.
    The Pussy is firmly of the opinion that the only Bond movies truly worth their salt was the Terence Young trilogy. Bond has been on movie hiatus ever since
    So OHMSS isn't doing it for you either?

    00Agent poses the most difficult of questions.
    The Pussy thinks it had some good elements. Not least of all the fact that it follows one of Fleming’s best books closely.
    That said, ultimately two things let it down.
    Firstly Lazenby’s performance. Although PussyNoMore thought he could have become a good Bond. His initial and, as it turned out, only performance was quite wooden.
    Secondly the action sequences. It was an action heavy movie and the speeded up sequences didn’t really work - even back in the day.
    Don’t misunderstand Pussy is an optimist. He lives in hope of eon getting it right and always goes to see these things but invariably comes away disappointed. Terence Young was the Bond movie God and had a completely unique touch. That man had real style.

    While i'm not as much of a purist when it comes to the movies, and I don't even think that Connery captured Flemings Bond that well, i definitly do agree with everythin you said on Terence Young. That guy was a master, and as much responisble for creating The Bond Movie phenomenon as Connery. Impecable style and instincts. I don't even care as much for Connery's other films. Terence Young set the bar too high.
  • Posts: 16,153
    I'm pretty confident the new film won't rank as high as I place the Terence Young films. Not even close. I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised with the end result, though.

    I feel resigned to the possibility that I'll find the score indifferent as well as the title song. My hopes aren't high for either. You never know. Romer's effort may end up a masterpiece as Bondian in it's own way as George Martin's.

    Also I expect an effed up Craig gun-barrel scene to appear with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season.

    Other than those little tit bits I think NTTD may be great!
  • Posts: 1,680
    I’m not liking the nomi 007 angle one bit or swan returning. I’d rather see a memorable Bond girl return like Isabella scorupco, maud Adams or famke Jansen return.
  • Posts: 16,153
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I’m not liking the nomi 007 angle one bit or swan returning. I’d rather see a memorable Bond girl return like Isabella scorupco, maud Adams or famke Jansen return.

    Well said. I have a hunch that, like SF this may be a Bond film without a main Bond girl for Craig to unite with at the end. Just a gut feeling I hope is wrong.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Well the only Craig film with a romantic kind of ending is SP, and I think NTTD won’t follow this path. Why? Because the “main” Bond girl in this one is Swann again, and I don’t see them repeating the same SP ending, for obvious reasons. Unless they marry...
  • Posts: 3,327
    PussyNoMore has every confidence that Bond 25 will continue the downward spiral that has been in motion ever since ‘Thunderball’.
    These CGI action bonanzas have long been mindless fodder for the great unwashed and the sooner we stop this sofa bouncing fiasco and see a return to Fleming’s Bond the better.
    The Pussy is firmly of the opinion that the only Bond movies truly worth their salt was the Terence Young trilogy. Bond has been on movie hiatus ever since

    I think GF and OHMSS stand firmly alongside the 3 Young films. I also think outside of that, LTK was a return to the spirit of Fleming 20 years later.

    And I also think CR gave us a modern interpretation of the Fleming Bond (if you can get beyond the Madagascar and Miami airport mindless fodder action set pieces).
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    If NTTD is as good as Spectre, that’d be all right with me. I like SP. But I really hope it’s better, far better. Let Daniel go out on a high note. And maybe it’ll make up for SP for a lot of people here.
    I do worry about the return of Madeline Swann, even though I had no problem with her in SP. I just think he should have a new Bond girl. Maybe if Swann is like the new Sylvia Trench or dies a little ways into the film, that would be very interesting. I dunno.
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    Swann and bond have to be completely done , bond sleeps with Armas’ character. This we know for certain
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I have full confidence :)
  • Posts: 1,680
    I was never interested in bringing her back. It’s going to at the least warrant some criticism. But they had no choice after Boyle walked and all eon had was the P&W script.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2019 Posts: 5,970
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I was never interested in bringing her back. It’s going to at the least warrant some criticism. But they had no choice after Boyle walked and all eon had was the P&W script.
    I think Madeleine coming back was a given to be honest, and you can't say for sure what criticism her character will receive until we see the film. Her character could make a real turnaround from Spectre, especially with PWB on board to specifically deal with the characters, and once again, we don't know what Boyle or P&W had planned so we can't really compare.
  • edited October 2019 Posts: 1,220
    Initially I wasn’t too enamoured by the idea of Madeleine returning. I think there was a lot of missed potential and character development for Madeleine in Spectre, however bringing her back in an expanded role gives them the opportunity to have a do-over at reestablishing Bond and Madeleine’s relationship and fleshing our her character; which I think is sorely needed in order for this CR-QOS-SF-SP arc to hold together.

    By the end of Spectre I did not believe for a second that Bond would give up his life as a spy for her and the entire “conflict” of whether or not Bond wanted to continue to lead the life he did and Madeleine’s role in that decisions amounted to a few throwaway lines sprinkled between sequences of Bond generally enjoying himself for the most part. There was none of he contemplativeness or internal conflict of CR’s Bond and it was desperately needed in order to make the Bond-Madeleine subplot believable.

    I think the addition of a writer like Phoebe Walker Bridge can not only flesh out Madeleine’s character, but along with a writer/director like Cary Fukunaga, can reintroduce she and Bond’s relationship in a much more credible way with much improved writing and far more developed character development and handling of where Bond is at in his professional/personal life.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I think the addition of a writer like Phoebe Walker Bridge can not only flesh out Madeleine’s character, but along with a writer/director like Cary Fukunaga, can reintroduce she and Bond’s relationship in a much more credible way with much improved writing and far more developed character development and handling of where Bond is at in his professional/personal life.
    1000% @battleshipgreygt
  • Posts: 613
    I am not concerned I think they have all their ducks I. A row and Craig is going out in style.maybe this one will even surpass casino ,fingers crossed but I'm hoping for a legit all time classic with this one and I think they are doing it and I also think we are do for it as a whole
  • Posts: 12,466
    I’m excited for the film (always excited for a new Bond film), but still cautious. I think the return of Madeleine could be good or bad depending on the usage; when I heard it at first I wasn’t happy, but I’m willing to wait and see on the final results. I still am not crazy about the concept of making Craig’s Bond era more continuity-based than the previous actors. A lot of elements make me excited for the film though, like the location lineup and cast.
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    What would be having a giggle about the next bond film ? Jus curious
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Ultimately, it's a Broccoli/Wilson produced Bond film, and therefore I will like it. Sure, I hope it's a cracking all-time great and perfect Craig sendoff. But even the lesser films in my rankings I prefer to most any other film.

    I always enjoy returning characters and my only concerns would that they go overly tropey or try to overconnect things like they did in SP. Even still I enjoyed SP, but would prefer that the film stand out on it's own a little more, while keeping the Bond elements we know and love.
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