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If you could lose a few movies in the franchise, which films would you leave out?

GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
edited November 2011 in Bond Movies Posts: 7,158
Now we've got 22 EON Bonds. I just watched them all over again and came to the conclusion that, for me, if it wasn't for AVTAK, TND and DAD the franchise would not have missed much. I almost like them all and these three also have there plusses but they have some unwatchable scenes in there which other Bond movies just don't have (i.e. both the TND and DAD finale or the AVTAK abandoned mine scenes). Anyone feel the same about some of the movies in the franchise? Would you leave out a few to perfectionize the EON series if you could?
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  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    I know it's not official canon but I wish NSNA didn't exist. But on topic I could quite easily live without Diamonds, View to A Kill and half of Die Another Day (the half that contains the infamous iceberg-surfing CGI disaster!). I still enjoy the much maligned Moonraker (Jaws romance scene excepted!)
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    I'd drop GF, YOLT, OHMSS and DAF. I would then get Connery to do OHMSS as his fourth film (after DN, FRWL and TB) while he was still interested in the role. The other three could then happen whenever, with whoever EON wanted in the role. I could see Moore doing DAF, for instance.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    No, I wouldn't. It was all meant to be. No regrets. You make a mistake, you learn from it. That's how the franchise got where it is today.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    Quantum of Solace! Mainly due to awful editing!
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    TWINE, CR and QOS. The only terrible films in the series. TND is OK, so I'd keep it. The rest of the 18 films are marvellous and perfect.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Goldfinger, OHMSS, Moonraker, AVTAK, License to Kill. Maybe DAD.
  • SharkShark Banned
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    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, THE SPY WHO LOVED ME, QUANTUM OF SOLACE, LIVE AND LET DIE, TOMORROW NEVER DIES, and CASINO ROYALE.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,147
    DAF, TMWTGG, MR, AVTAK, DAD and QOS can get the boot. LALD would be a close call, but scrapes through.
    As much as I love Sir Rog as Bond, some of his films are mediocre at best. Yet I still find good in them. Thankfully this is all hypothetical. As a Bond fan (which we all are obviously) I think in reality, this would be akin to picking your favourite child.
  • jamesdutjamesdut
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    what a stupid debate, i would always want to add more films to the cannon as there is not such a thing as a really bad bond film, just some that are brilliant without any fault and others that are not as good but are still enjoyable to watch. In fact i can quite easily sit down and watch any bond film, however many times ive seen it before because the character is what its all about.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    jamesdut wrote:
    what a stupid debate, i would always want to add more films to the cannon as there is not such a thing as a really bad bond film, just some that are brilliant without any fault and others that are not as good but are still enjoyable to watch. In fact i can quite easily sit down and watch any bond film, however many times ive seen it before because the character is what its all about.

    I'm not so sure, for instance I really can't sit through the last half hour of DAD. It starts off quite interesting but after some time it becomes a really brainless CGI mess and that's not what I would call a good movie.

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Basically, this is 'Name your least favourite Bond films'.

  • FromCanadaWithLoveFromCanadaWithLove Canada
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    I wouldn't take any out, because then we wouldn't have learned from the mistakes. I think we now know that CGI bullets and ice-burgs have no place in a Bond movie.
  • craigrulescraigrules
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    all roger moore
  • Artemis81Artemis81 In Christmas Land
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    LeChiffre wrote:
    But on topic I could quite easily live without Diamonds, View to A Kill and half of Die Another Day (the half that contains the infamous iceberg-surfing CGI disaster!). I still enjoy the much maligned Moonraker (Jaws romance scene excepted!)

    I agree with these though I would get rid of DAD all together.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Zekidk wrote:
    Quantum of Solace! Mainly due to awful editing!

    Agreed. I would say the script as well. A real let down after CR. However, the following argument is very strong:
    QBranch wrote:
    No, I wouldn't. It was all meant to be. No regrets. You make a mistake, you learn from it. That's how the franchise got where it is today.

    Exactly. I would have said AVTAK at one time. But if EON had gone straight from OP to TLD I don't think TLD would have existed as we know it today and it's my favorite Bond film made post-1960s.

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    I'm suprised so many want to drop goldfinger, without it alot of other great bond films may not exist. Anyway, I'd drop DAD because TWINE is too me brosnans best, so i think it would've been a much better way for him to go out instead of the travesty that is DAD. Without a view to a kill we wouldn't have one of the best songs in the franchise, and without it TLD could've been different so I'd keep that. I wouldn't drop QOS, but i would change it to a straight foward movie with white being head of quantum and bond trying to destroy the organisation, none of this confusing pointless water plot. I'd also change the editing so its less shaky and make it more like a bond film than a bourne film.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    I do like all the Bond films, but... I could live without FYEO and AVTAK.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, The Spy Who Loved Me, A View To A Kill and Die Another Day would be the first to go.
  • jamesdutjamesdut
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    This debate needs to be closed down, your naming some of the really classic films here. Call yourself fans go and get into another franshise, hmm!
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited November 2011 Posts: 5,745
    What? Why You Only Live Twice? What an adventure!

    I'm serious. That was an ace movie.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    What? Why You Only Live Twice? What an adventure!

    I'm serious. That was an ace movie.

    It looks good and has great music. That's it. The plot's a mess and further down the line gave us The Spy Who Loved Me.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    jamesdut wrote:
    This debate needs to be closed down, your naming some of the really classic films here. Call yourself fans go and get into another franshise, hmm!

    I kind of agree-- I have 'least favorites' but I love them all
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    What? Why You Only Live Twice? What an adventure!

    I'm serious. That was an ace movie.

    It looks good and has great music. That's it. The plot's a mess and further down the line gave us The Spy Who Loved Me.

    I mean it could definitely have been done better, but out of what we have.. and what came after, I'd honestly go with getting rid of .. all? of Brosnan's films. And Moonraker. But the rest stands.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Well, I'm not so sure that any Bond movie should be dropped, since it's taken all of them to get us to where we are, but I do have my share of drops. I'd say leave out Goldfinger, The Man with the Golden Gun, Moonraker, Die Another Day, and Quantum of Solace.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    -I enjoy TMWTGG too :/

    I feel so left out.....
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    What? Why You Only Live Twice? What an adventure!

    I'm serious. That was an ace movie.

    It looks good and has great music. That's it. The plot's a mess and further down the line gave us The Spy Who Loved Me.

    I mean it could definitely have been done better, but out of what we have.. and what came after, I'd honestly go with getting rid of .. all? of Brosnan's films. And Moonraker. But the rest stands.

    I was being brief in my earlier post. If I expanded, yes, the Brosnan films and Moonraker would be next. Hell, if I had my way, the only Bond films would be:

    Dr. No
    From Russia With Love
    Thunderball
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    For Your Eyes Only
    Ocotpussy
    The Living Daylights
    Licence To Kill
  • 00130013
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    None! I admit that I don't like all the same, and I rather lose some specific scenes o have them different. But the richness of the Bond franchise is the variability between the movies: from cold war thrillers to fun sci-fiction.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
    Posts: 1,497
    QBranch wrote:
    No, I wouldn't. It was all meant to be. No regrets. You make a mistake, you learn from it. That's how the franchise got where it is today.

    Exactly. The weaker ones make you appreciate the better ones. Besides there isn't one Bond film where there isn't at least one aspect of the film that I like.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,355
    JBFan626 wrote:
    there isn't one Bond film where there isn't at least one aspect of the film that I like.

    I agree with that, at least but I still think a few films should go.

    In that case, let's just get rid of the unneeded non-EON rubbish. No one else should have had the rights to begin with, it hasn't happened with any other series.

    Maybe a more interesting question would be, "if you had to remove one film from the series, would it be your least favourite?". For me, no.
  • RogueThunderballRogueThunderball
    Posts: 306
    For my money, there are really only three worthless bond movies that if they had never been made, the series would be better off. DAF would be the first to go as it is the only Bond film that I genuinely don't like at all. The series would be much better without it. Then I would discard YOLT and AVTAK because they add nothing new to the series and have limited entertainment value. Plus, I would love it if Connery exited at the top of his game with TB and Moore finished with the stellar OP. In the absence of those three films I feel like the series no longer has any really weak entries.
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