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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 16,426
    I think it's a pretty good-looking SUV. I hope it sells really well.

    It is, of course, not as bad as the Cygnet. Unlike the Cygnet, it's a powerful luxury car, and Aston make powerful luxury cars.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's a pretty good-looking SUV. I hope it sells really well.

    It is, of course, not as bad as the Cygnet. Unlike the Cygnet, it's a powerful luxury car, and Aston make powerful luxury cars.

    :)>-
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,426
    It's also opening up a market to Aston it has never really occupied before apart from with the Rapide (and that was more of a limo), which is that of a car which isn't slightly useless. Because pretty much all Astons up until now have been just ever so slightly useless. Fast, yes; but minimal luggage space, not hugely comfortable, not even very luxurious inside (my old boss had a Vantage and I was pretty staggered how basic it was in there- the seats were also very hard), and only able to significantly fit two people. This car will mean anyone who liked the idea of having an Aston but was put off by not really having a car they'd actually drive that often might consider it as their main car.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited August 2020 Posts: 2,533
    Aston Martin Valhalla, looks awful

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 16,426
    Most of your posts in this thread are just to say how awful and ugly every car is, I can't help but notice :D Do you like cars?
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited August 2020 Posts: 2,533
    mtm wrote: »
    Most of your posts in this thread are just to say how awful and ugly every car is, I can't help but notice :D Do you like cars?

    Not ugly ones imo,in fact i despise them............. >:)

    I love THIS......... 2005 BENTLEY CONTINENTAL GT :x
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  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    I hate SUVs. All of them. Although they're a brand saviour, and a a lineup killer.

    And the Valhalla looks amazing. So does that Bentley, even though it was a favourite amongst many football players ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,426
    I think Range Rovers have always looked pretty great.

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    Very stylish.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    I prefer Mr. Steed's other steed. His Jag. Peel's Jag and Lotus were also nice.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 16,426
    Oh I loved his Jag XJ12c! Good candidate for best spy car ever!
    Mrs Peel only had a Jag in the '98 movie, and it wasn't the prettiest E Type around. Her Lotus was quite sweet but Elans have never really done a lot for me.

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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,266
    I don't dispise the idea of a luxury road car, but elegant they are not. Some do look good dispite the fact that they shouldn't exist (alfa stelvio), some have a legacy that works and give them class (range rover, Mercedes g series) and some are just ugly, overpriced blown up family members of more interesting cars (looking at you Porsche). For me the new Aston falls in the latter category. And the uselessness of a good gt? I disagree. The fact that astons of late haven't been as comfortable as you'd expect doesn't take that away. People who can afford this kind of cars never buy them to bring the kids to school. How many people do you know own a Porsche as their first and only car (and have kids?). A gt is a business or leasure car for traveling alone or with one guest, or go to a fancy dinner. Not that much luggage space is needed.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 16,426
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    I don't dispise the idea of a luxury road car, but elegant they are not.

    Nor are any of Aston's other models at the moment: they've gone for 'brutish' and 'muscular' as a styling cue. This one is actually quite a nice change in that regard and probably is the most elegant in their lineup.
    It's actually got some subtleness to its shapes rather than the slightly silliness overmuscularity of something like the DBS Superleggera.

    Transpo-Aston%20Martin%20DBX_17.jpg

    Rather pretty.
    I think the Macan is a very well-proportioned car too. Very handsome.
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    And the uselessness of a good gt? I disagree. The fact that astons of late haven't been as comfortable as you'd expect doesn't take that away. People who can afford this kind of cars never buy them to bring the kids to school. How many people do you know own a Porsche as their first and only car (and have kids?).

    Plenty of people use their Macans and Cayennes for that, you're right.
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    A gt is a business or leasure car for traveling alone or with one guest, or go to a fancy dinner. Not that much luggage space is needed.

    They are, yes; and that makes for a smaller market to aim at. Not everyone with a bit of money is interested in buying a GT- and you can do all of those things in this car. Most people with cash will however get a decent luxury car they can use for a wide variety of purposes.
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited August 2020 Posts: 6,709
    mtm wrote: »
    Mrs Peel only had a Jag in the '98 movie, and it wasn't the prettiest E Type around.


    I see what you mean. Not a first gen. Those lights without the glass domes are ugly. And so are the white wall wheels.

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    I'd have mine (preferably a series1) in BRG with black spoke wheels. Even though I'm partial to the C and D types.

    Or a lightweight.

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  • UnivexUnivex
    edited August 2020 Posts: 6,709
    delete
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited August 2020 Posts: 6,709
    delete post please. So sorry, I'm on fire today, just quoted myself instead of editing. Again, deepest apologies.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 16,426
    Yeah the whitewalls were an odd choice, although I do like the colour.
    A guy I work with has a series 3 (I think) but he’s rather embraced the ugliness by painting it grey, stripping all the chrome off, putting it on steel wheels and making it more of a racer look. It does look awesome: he’s even flared the rear lights into the bodywork which looks great. It’s also about 440bhp too now, which is rather crazy!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    edited August 2020 Posts: 8,266
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    I don't dispise the idea of a luxury road car, but elegant they are not.

    Nor are any of Aston's other models at the moment: they've gone for 'brutish' and 'muscular' as a styling cue. This one is actually quite a nice change in that regard and probably is the most elegant in their lineup.
    It's actually got some subtleness to its shapes rather than the slightly silliness overmuscularity of something like the DBS Superleggera.

    Transpo-Aston%20Martin%20DBX_17.jpg

    Rather pretty.
    I think the Macan is a very well-proportioned car too. Very handsome.
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    And the uselessness of a good gt? I disagree. The fact that astons of late haven't been as comfortable as you'd expect doesn't take that away. People who can afford this kind of cars never buy them to bring the kids to school. How many people do you know own a Porsche as their first and only car (and have kids?).

    Plenty of people use their Macans and Cayennes for that, you're right..
    yes, well, of course, I should've said 'ferrari', or 'lamborgini'. Porsche already went that way, but I was referring to the 911 family.
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    A gt is a business or leasure car for traveling alone or with one guest, or go to a fancy dinner. Not that much luggage space is needed.

    They are, yes; and that makes for a smaller market to aim at. Not everyone with a bit of money is interested in buying a GT- and you can do all of those things in this car. Most people with cash will however get a decent luxury car they can use for a wide variety of purposes.
    True. And if you eccel in a niche market you can do really well. Look at how the db9 did. Am even made some profit at one point... You don't always have to go for growth. I don't think ferrari has the goal of having one of their cars in every garage. Counterfeit or not...


  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah the whitewalls were an odd choice, although I do like the colour.
    A guy I work with has a series 3 (I think) but he’s rather embraced the ugliness by painting it grey, stripping all the chrome off, putting it on steel wheels and making it more of a racer look. It does look awesome: he’s even flared the rear lights into the bodywork which looks great. It’s also about 440bhp too now, which is rather crazy!

    Nice. That's the way to go about it, IMO. Turning it into a sort of faux lightweight. Never understood that tendency Jaguar has to ruin good things. They've done it again with the F-type. It still looks amazing, but it doesn't look better, IMO.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 16,426
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    I don't dispise the idea of a luxury road car, but elegant they are not.

    Nor are any of Aston's other models at the moment: they've gone for 'brutish' and 'muscular' as a styling cue. This one is actually quite a nice change in that regard and probably is the most elegant in their lineup.
    It's actually got some subtleness to its shapes rather than the slightly silliness overmuscularity of something like the DBS Superleggera.

    Transpo-Aston%20Martin%20DBX_17.jpg

    Rather pretty.
    I think the Macan is a very well-proportioned car too. Very handsome.
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    And the uselessness of a good gt? I disagree. The fact that astons of late haven't been as comfortable as you'd expect doesn't take that away. People who can afford this kind of cars never buy them to bring the kids to school. How many people do you know own a Porsche as their first and only car (and have kids?).

    Plenty of people use their Macans and Cayennes for that, you're right..
    yes, well, of course, I should've said 'ferrari', or 'lamborgini'. Porsche already went that way, but I was referring to the 911 family.

    Well Ferrari have been making four seater cars since the 60s, and Lamborghini did SUVs way back in the 80s! :)

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    But yeah, people very rarely use their sportscars to do that. That's sort of the point! :D

    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    A gt is a business or leasure car for traveling alone or with one guest, or go to a fancy dinner. Not that much luggage space is needed.

    They are, yes; and that makes for a smaller market to aim at. Not everyone with a bit of money is interested in buying a GT- and you can do all of those things in this car. Most people with cash will however get a decent luxury car they can use for a wide variety of purposes.
    True. And if you eccel in a niche market you can do really well.

    Except Aston are dying... so clearly not!

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,426
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah the whitewalls were an odd choice, although I do like the colour.
    A guy I work with has a series 3 (I think) but he’s rather embraced the ugliness by painting it grey, stripping all the chrome off, putting it on steel wheels and making it more of a racer look. It does look awesome: he’s even flared the rear lights into the bodywork which looks great. It’s also about 440bhp too now, which is rather crazy!

    Nice. That's the way to go about it, IMO. Turning it into a sort of faux lightweight. Never understood that tendency Jaguar has to ruin good things. They've done it again with the F-type. It still looks amazing, but it doesn't look better, IMO.

    It looks amazing but they've ruined it? Eh?
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    mtm wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah the whitewalls were an odd choice, although I do like the colour.
    A guy I work with has a series 3 (I think) but he’s rather embraced the ugliness by painting it grey, stripping all the chrome off, putting it on steel wheels and making it more of a racer look. It does look awesome: he’s even flared the rear lights into the bodywork which looks great. It’s also about 440bhp too now, which is rather crazy!

    Nice. That's the way to go about it, IMO. Turning it into a sort of faux lightweight. Never understood that tendency Jaguar has to ruin good things. They've done it again with the F-type. It still looks amazing, but it doesn't look better, IMO.

    It looks amazing but they've ruined it? Eh?

    I see what you mean. I didn't want to be that cruel towards them. It's still a great looking car. If they'd presented the car like that in 2013, I would have loved it. The thing is, I loved the original design, with those original big lights. Both designs are great. But clearly different. And between the two, I like the original more, just like with the series 1, 2 and 3 e-type Jags. I guess what I meant was that I don't think they've improved upon it. Both are amazing, but the second isn't necessarily an improvement over the first.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,426
    I agree, I think it's kind of equally as good as the first (although I don't think I've seen a facelifted one in the metal yet so couldn't say for sure), and they have slightly fallen into the trap of car design I'm not that keen on i.e. making things look aggressive (see most of the previous generation of BMWs, and of course the current batch of Astons), but I don't think it's ruined at all. It still looks like a very pretty car. I think Jaguar have pretty much consistently turned out better-looking cars than Aston have for the last 15 years or so, and that just shouldn't be the case.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    Yes. I agree. "Ruin" was too harsh. I just don't like facelifts ;)

    Now there's a good challenge, a facelift that made a car look better than the original. Anyone?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,266
    mtm wrote: »


    Except Aston are dying... so clearly not!
    I think their main problem is that they've always wanted more. It's never the Vantage and a bigger GT (DB9, DBS, DB11). No, it's been the Rapide, cygnet, and at least 3 to 4 GT's at the same time, not to mention the one-offs, the One-77, Vulcan, Valkyrie, Vallhaya..., . I think they've made things way too complicated. With only the Vantage as the mini-aston and a bigger brother next to it, they could've done very well.

    A DBS next to the DB9 wasn't smart, and they even injected a Virage inbetween as well (which, btw, I thought looked the best). But all those million dollar cars come at a price, not only for the consumer.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    I don't dispise the idea of a luxury road car, but elegant they are not.

    Nor are any of Aston's other models at the moment: they've gone for 'brutish' and 'muscular' as a styling cue. This one is actually quite a nice change in that regard and probably is the most elegant in their lineup.
    It's actually got some subtleness to its shapes rather than the slightly silliness overmuscularity of something like the DBS Superleggera.

    Transpo-Aston%20Martin%20DBX_17.jpg

    Rather pretty.
    I think the Macan is a very well-proportioned car too. Very handsome.
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    And the uselessness of a good gt? I disagree. The fact that astons of late haven't been as comfortable as you'd expect doesn't take that away. People who can afford this kind of cars never buy them to bring the kids to school. How many people do you know own a Porsche as their first and only car (and have kids?).

    Plenty of people use their Macans and Cayennes for that, you're right..
    yes, well, of course, I should've said 'ferrari', or 'lamborgini'. Porsche already went that way, but I was referring to the 911 family.

    Well Ferrari have been making four seater cars since the 60s, and Lamborghini did SUVs way back in the 80s! :)

    the-lm002-weighed-nearly-three-tons.jpg

    But yeah, people very rarely use their sportscars to do that. That's sort of the point! :D

    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    A gt is a business or leasure car for traveling alone or with one guest, or go to a fancy dinner. Not that much luggage space is needed.

    They are, yes; and that makes for a smaller market to aim at. Not everyone with a bit of money is interested in buying a GT- and you can do all of those things in this car. Most people with cash will however get a decent luxury car they can use for a wide variety of purposes.
    True. And if you eccel in a niche market you can do really well.

    Except Aston are dying... so clearly not!

    Not yet. If the DBX succeeds they will survive.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 16,426
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »


    Except Aston are dying... so clearly not!
    I think their main problem is that they've always wanted more. It's never the Vantage and a bigger GT (DB9, DBS, DB11). No, it's been the Rapide, cygnet, and at least 3 to 4 GT's at the same time, not to mention the one-offs, the One-77, Vulcan, Valkyrie, Vallhaya..., . I think they've made things way too complicated. With only the Vantage as the mini-aston and a bigger brother next to it, they could've done very well.

    A DBS next to the DB9 wasn't smart, and they even injected a Virage inbetween as well (which, btw, I thought looked the best). But all those million dollar cars come at a price, not only for the consumer.

    I think they're trying to make money. Having just one model won't do it.
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    I don't dispise the idea of a luxury road car, but elegant they are not.

    Nor are any of Aston's other models at the moment: they've gone for 'brutish' and 'muscular' as a styling cue. This one is actually quite a nice change in that regard and probably is the most elegant in their lineup.
    It's actually got some subtleness to its shapes rather than the slightly silliness overmuscularity of something like the DBS Superleggera.

    Transpo-Aston%20Martin%20DBX_17.jpg

    Rather pretty.
    I think the Macan is a very well-proportioned car too. Very handsome.
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    And the uselessness of a good gt? I disagree. The fact that astons of late haven't been as comfortable as you'd expect doesn't take that away. People who can afford this kind of cars never buy them to bring the kids to school. How many people do you know own a Porsche as their first and only car (and have kids?).

    Plenty of people use their Macans and Cayennes for that, you're right..
    yes, well, of course, I should've said 'ferrari', or 'lamborgini'. Porsche already went that way, but I was referring to the 911 family.

    Well Ferrari have been making four seater cars since the 60s, and Lamborghini did SUVs way back in the 80s! :)

    the-lm002-weighed-nearly-three-tons.jpg

    But yeah, people very rarely use their sportscars to do that. That's sort of the point! :D

    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    A gt is a business or leasure car for traveling alone or with one guest, or go to a fancy dinner. Not that much luggage space is needed.

    They are, yes; and that makes for a smaller market to aim at. Not everyone with a bit of money is interested in buying a GT- and you can do all of those things in this car. Most people with cash will however get a decent luxury car they can use for a wide variety of purposes.
    True. And if you eccel in a niche market you can do really well.

    Except Aston are dying... so clearly not!

    Not yet. If the DBX succeeds they will survive.

    Yep, exactly. It's what they need. Ross' suggestion of not making it would kill them.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    I adore the sympathy Aston Martin & Maserati get.

    Anyway...

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    1956 Packard Caribbean Convertible. ;-)

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited August 2020 Posts: 9,041
    How about this baby? Must be an about 1948 Buick Super V8.
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    Or how about a more British relic (I'd say also about 1948, but can an RR specialist confirm, please?)
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    I came across both of these beauties in Hamburg, the Rolls (is it even a Rolls, in the absence of Emily? or maybe a Bentley?) in 2009, the Buick in 2010.


  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,041
    And here is also this one (it's a pic I took in 2003 and is not available in any larger version, since prices for flash storage were still prohibitive):jaguarxkvejkp.jpg

    I'd say it's an XK120 - agreed?

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    edited August 2020 Posts: 8,266
    Look at that, those cars are fantastic! Saw a lot of Buick's and Packards'in Cuba in 2007, in all shapes and states.
    @j_w_pepper that certainly looks like a Silver Wraith to me. Problem is the grille, it isn't as straight. So, I think it's a Bentley Mk 6:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_Mark_VI

    Agree on the Jag for sure!
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