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Just out of interest, who was your choice before EoN cast Craig? I think he's been absolutely fantastic in the role. I'm dreading him leaving and some bland, male model type being in the role. It's been recalibrated by Craig and has elevated the series. I dread Cavill being cast.
"you gave up everything for her......... it'll be the death of him."..... sorry man, the wires just don't connect for me.
Well that a shame; you may need an electrician. 😉
Your quotes spell it out clearly, Blofeld is speaking to Bond , the first part applies to Bond and the latter to someone else, probably Safin. It’s really very clear.
Now, what’s being presented in the trailer could very well be intentionally misleading, in which case all bets are off.
Those two quotes are from different scenes.
Talos is right, Blofeld says “it’ll be the death of him”. Just because the trailer makes it seem like all the Blofeld stuff happens in the same scene doesn’t make that the case. I assure you when Blofeld talks about “our secret will be the death of him”, he’s talking to Madeleine about Bond.
It’s getting tedious to discuss knowns, when we could be speculating about unknowns.
Absolutely, there is obviously a scene where Bond confronts Blofeld, but there may be a scene where Madeleine does the same.
I could see a scenario where Madeleine hears something while observing Bond and Blofeld; something is triggered. After Bond leaves Blofeld is about to be taken away when Madeleine enters the room an tells the guards, leave us”.
They then dig into their past.
So, if the “ him” is said while talking to Bond, then it’s referring to someone else ; if the “ him” is said while talking to Madeleine, thrr Er n it probably refers to Bond.
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1213415/James-Bond-No-Time-to-Die-where-is-no-time-to-die-filmed-set-matera-italy
Yes, exactly!
Possibly, but not a given. Because they’re in the same room, doesn’t mean they’re in there at the same time. She may only be there to observe, from behind the said glass.
To quote you “ I don’t know why that’s so hard to grasp“
when Blofeld says "it'll be the death of you." he's clearly still in the cage talking directly to Bond, it isn't a voice over lifted from another scene.. the only voice over is Blofeld telling Bond "You gave up everything for her, when her secret finds it's way out" (cut back to Blofeld looking directly at Bond) "it'll be the death of you." .... so it's not two different scenes clipped together.. now, it's very possible that they are lifted from 2 different moments within the same scene - but they are from the same exact scene... i doubt very much Waltz will be in this movie much beyond Bond's interrogation of him.
He says, “it’ll be the death of him”.
He’s also not clearly talking to Bond, the person whom he’s talking to in this scene is obscured in the shot.
All very true. I just think everyone is way over thinking these moments in the trailer.
Yeah....I said it earlier. We've enjoyed Craig's run.but there's need Post-NTTD to return Bond to Standalone films. It's the time spent to connect the Craig films that have made made him the longest serving bond, with fewer films.
I dont think it's ever mentioned that Madeline killed the intruder.
I believe Blofeld visits Mr. White after Safin has tried to kill them. I'm assuming that Madeline doesn't remember because of the trauma.
You’re right, it could be Blofeld talking to Q about Hinx; I’m just saying, use common sense; in the context of the trailer, “him” is Bond; the trailer is about Bond up until that point. Had Safin been introduced in the narrative of the trailer at that point, I’d concede “him” could be Safin, but that’s just not the case in my mind.
Haserot, trust your ears over your eyes; the word is ‘him’ not ‘you’; I don’t know how to convince you of this but it’s just what it is, you may as well be trying to convince me he’s saying ‘giraffe’... the word he’s saying is ‘him’... I won’t post on these matters here anymore because I’m clearly annoying people and I apologize for that.
It’s definitely strange with the subtitles, I put them on to watch the english trailer again and they came up ‘him’, but then also said ‘when her secret comes out’ rather than ‘when our secret comes out’, which is what I heard... I guess we’ll find out in April, except apparently we’ll all just hear what we want to hear...
Let’s just agree that regardless of what we get out of this trailer, it looks great and there is a ton to be excited about?
As far as annoying, the only thing annoying is a rigidity in how you’re looking at a trailer that is vague, and has probably been edited to be intentionally misleading in order to keep the plot a secret. I fully admit that I’m speculating and I accept that they’re other possibilities. Your reaction to an idea with which you don’t agree is to be snide and question a persons common sense .
Oh well, I’m done .
We’ll see what’s really going on in April.
whom are you speaking to?.. i dont think i was getting snarky with anything?? if i came across dickish - my bad, not my intention.
I truly apologize if that’s how I’ve come across. I think we’re all looking forward to seeing what will come of all this in April, which is common ground I’m happy to stand on with everyone here.
Just let the excitement of the trailer get the best of me I suppose.
100% agreed.. i cant wait for April to get here now.
He was speaking to me, I’m sure. You haven’t come across as snarky at all.
It doesn’t matter if Safin has been introduced into the narrative of the trailer; within the actual film he has been , Bond is aware of him snd goes to Blofeld for information.
Totally depends how its handled. I say the real life technology is at a stage now where this kind of plot has some real resonance. The Chinese have I think recently cloned human fetuses and there is a lot of work going on in this area.
If its handled in a serious way and not made to just look silly with invisible cars then I think it can work. The acting and dialogue will be what carries it
You may be 100% correct here; I’m just saying, if that’s the case, they’ve done a poor job putting the trailer together (if they intend to make us think “him” is Safin rather than Bond). But that’s just my thought on it. Until this discussion every time I’ve seen the trailer, in my mind the trailer is just showing us a different scene where Blofeld is telling Madeleine, “if our secret gets out, it’ll be the death of him (Bond).” But I realize this is just my view and could be 100% wrong.
It’ll be the death of Bond because “our little secret” is maybe that Blofeld and Madeleine have been working together since the beginning... hence the betrayal... I suppose this is just how I read the trailer and shouldn’t have taken it so objectively.