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I couldn't agree more @Resurrection why some people get so worked up and argumentative about what's been seen or heard in a trailer is beyond me.
When April 2020 comes around, that's when you can complain, or rejoice.
Till we've all seen the movie, the arguing is pointless.
Play nice peeps. Please. ;)
Would it though? I for my part keep coming back to the trailer, because every now and then some new detail flashes in my head, and I want to see again what it was. I find that very effective marketing.
This applies by the way to Nomi too. I´m not quite keen on her yet, but since the trailer teases me to look at it again every now and then I am likely to get a more rounded perspective on everything.
If you get something to eat only once a month, you´re going to digest it much more thorough ;-).
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Good point.
The focus should be on having fun saying what one thinks about the topic at hand, not what one judges the other to be based on what he or she thinks. And if somebody else writes his or her opinion in a way that seems inappropriate, it usually isn´t constructive to react in like manner. Reasonable explanation goes a long way.
And yes, I think Bond is up a certain creek without a paddle by the time we see him in Safin's lair... Fukunaga isn't afraid to go to dark places. It will be no different for Mr. Bond in this adventure.
His cat got killed in the blast when the watch exploded.
There will never be a female navy seal, due to biology and if one will it'll be most likely a one time affair.
Thanks bro,
I think people are worried about an unbalanced powerplay here. And a powerplay it is and always has been when Bond meets smart and capable women, and that is completely normal and nothing out of the ordinary.
I think the real worry is that the movie will favour one over the other, which is a ridiculous assumption and has more to do with current hollywood trends than it has to do with the Bond franchise which has been doing that sort of thing for decades already. At the end of the day, Bond is still the hero of this story.
Though i won't deny that EoN seems to play a bit with our expectations by cutting the trailer the way they did.
But on the other hand, one only needs to look at the scene where Bond and Nomi walk down the hallway at Mi6, with Moneypenny saying "i knew you two would get along". It's not like MP is saying, "F*** you Bond, we girls run this place now. Whoohooo".
Does it look like Bond is phased by Nomi? Or submissive? And he's been gone from MI6 for 5 years, while Nomi is possibly the new star agent there.
Bond is a legend though. And must be even to a gal like Nomi. If anything i'm getting vibes that she might be trying to impress him or win his respect in the long run.
As for the bullet to the knee line, that everyone is whining about now, that's just a slightly more exagerated version of Fields saying "If you attempt to flee, I will arrest you, drop you off in jail and take you to the plane in chains." And look how that turned out.
If anything, knowing Bond he would probably get turned on by Nomi's threat, thinking "here's a woman that pretends i can't have her."
Also, as i said earlier, i was struggling to find what's so unique about Nomi, because she's just an amalgamation of every agent and femme fatale that Bond has ever met. But i figured out what it is, and it's just the fact that she has the same relationships and resources that Bond has. She get's to talk to Moneypenny, she get's to quip with Q and she will get mission briefings with M... and that's pretty much it as far as uniqueness goes (judging from the trailer of course)
But i am more interested in seeing how those interactions will go, as for the interactions with Bond i can pretty much figure where those will go by myself.
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And we still love that scene, and their whole relationship because Bond always remains ona-top of things and knows how to reply in equal measure, or just stay cool and unphased.
He loves that sort of verbal sparring.
Also the way Nomi delivered the line, did not sound like a threat-threat at all, especially the "the one that works" at the end... and what the hell is she doing in his apartment in the first place, sitting on his bed lol? :))
We know he must have been trying to hit on her in the bar.
I wonder why she's in Jamaica at all.
Well according to this article, there are women deployed in SOF units.
This has nothing to do with the discussion as a whole, however it does prove that women are capable of doing things only a decade or so ago, would be impossible. That's progress for you.
Let's leave it at that. Thanks.
https://www.cnas.org/publications/commentary/dispelling-the-myth-of-women-in-special-operations
My guess is that she is there on the same lead that Leiter (and maybe Paloma) are on. For whatever reason, Leiter is more comfortable asking for Bond's help than going straight to MI6, which may be why there is tension between Bond and Nomi. But that lead/case, which was perhaps something simple (following someone or looking into a missing person) becomes far more serious. There has been speculation that people drop dead in the night club scene. That might be the moment when the film suddenly shifts gears.
How much of the military do you think involves hand-to-hand combat? Technology and weaponry have taken "upper body strength" out of the equation. I would never say "never" in terms of a woman making it as a Navy Seal. The day may come, but it will be a rarity. However, as Bond films have been pointing out, in a terrific bit of social commentary: most of that work is now done at a computer desk in one's pajamas.
@Resurrection @Benny @00Agent though sometimes I feel this way what I meant by expense I meant put them out because they are male and no other reason should have been more clear anyway I was just blowing things up to get people talking. I know it's just a trailer.
Also what is this talk about Russia being in the film? I've heard Norway and or Scotland are doubling for Russia?
That article doesn't apply to what I stated. Until this day there are zero women part of the Navy seals.
James Bond was also not part of the Navy Seals.
Back on topic, please. Cheers.
Siberia is also quite close to Japan. ;)
Perhaps the scenes filmed in Maratea by the black beach will feature our heroes landing by boat in some vulcanic dark rocky Japanese shores...
That's what I think too what if it's in Japan?
Japan was revealed as a film location recently. Don’t know about how trusty that source is but Safin having (and wearing) a collection of Japanese No masks, hiding in a liar with Japanese elements, Japan being so close to Siberia, scenes filmed in vulcanic shores in Maratea that 100% come from the third act, knowing how Fleming basically wrapped the SPECTRE/Bond story in YOLT all seem to me as strong indications...
Could be the region of Sakhalin, which is immediately north of Hokkaido and has similar scenery to Norway and Scotland. Something like the Atlantic Road could not possibly exist there though.
All the Japanese elements noted so far, plus Fukunaga's influence, Craig wanting to wrap up his tenure on a high Flemingian note... there are a lot of things here pointing to a YOLT-like finish, except with Safin and his genetic modification scheme instead of Shatterhand and his garden of death.
exactly.. she is very much the 2020 equivalent to Anya Amasova, Holly Goodhead, Pam Bouvier.. and even extensions of characters like Jinx or Camielle.. the point of contention, that most can't seem to get beyond is the fact that she is 007... i find it hilarious that some still are going as far as to still say she is "Jane Bond" - as if Craig were not in the movie (even though he clearly is) and that she is taking over the main role of the films from here on out ~X( ...... it's these special individuals that really grind my gears.
i want to marry this comment..... thank you @TripAces
To be fair, we don’t really know that. I think it’s just as likely that she remains 007 for the majority of the film (or it’s entirety), especially with all the talk of shock and surprise and the certainty that this is Craig’s last outing. Yes, the 007 brand has always been associated with James Bond and will continue to be for promotional purposes but I don’t think that means anything as far as the narrative of this film is concerned. Especially if it’s a one off and that particular development is meant to be a surprise.
That being said, there’s no way EON will have Nomi’s 007 as the main character in Bond 26. Barbara Broccoli has said herself that Bond is and will be a man. Wrapping up the Craig arc in NTTD and rebooting with a new James Bond 007 in the next instalment seems to be the obvious path.
The return of Mr. Bigglesworth!
True. Perhaps it's safe to assume that some of the more outrageous and angry comments on this forum don't stem from the idea that Nomi is 007 at the start of the film but the fear that she'll be 007 at the end of the film?