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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,515
    2.7-2.8 atleast. December 2022. That's 7-8 months longer then time between CR and QOS. Mabey Daniel Craig and Universal already making a deal for Bond 26 in November/December 2023. That's 3,7-3.8 years. Or for April 2023, April 2022 no way.

    Mabey we should expect a delay of mi8 till December 2022 and Johnny English 4 in April 2023.

  • Agent_47Agent_47 Canada
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    I would be thrilled to get a new Bond film every 2 years, but realistically, every 3 years makes sense.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    It would be be a miracle.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    thedove wrote: »
    Okay well that attempt at a different what if didn't really hit the big time. Lets try this for a what if! There has been much talk on the podcast that some miss the days of the sausage factory where a Bond movie was turned out every 2 years like clockwork.

    What if after NTTD, EON went ahead and started pushing out a Bond film every 2 years. What would be the effects be of going back to an every two year cycle? What would hurt the series of going to one film every two years? Do you think this is possible given today's movie making standards and requirements?

    What say you Mi6 community...What if EON started producing Bond films every two years?

    I dont think it would hurt the series at all. It certainly didn't back in the Cubby days. Maybe in the current climate 3 years would be better, as they can better anticipate cinematic trends, and not release a film that doesn't feel 'on trend' if you will.
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
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    As a balance between my desire to have a Bond film every couple of years and the realistic issues around producing films these days, with extra pre- and post-production work, actor commitments etc I’d like to wave a magic wand and have a Bond film every three years. That way at least I’d have a good chance of being alive to watch Bond 30. I’m just hoping with Craig leaving it’s not a couple of years before EON get round to choosing a new Bond actor, never mind getting B26 to the screen.
  • edited January 2020 Posts: 16,154
    I personally would love a return to the 2 year cycle. Seems to me with advances in technology, editing, creativity, etc, it should actually be easier in this day and age to get a new Bond out every two years. Certainly it's not like the old days where Cubby and Harry had a quantum of Fleming novels to chose from, but many of the films during the 2 year era were mostly original plots anyway.

    Also, I don't think a return to the 2 year intervals would diminish the quality of the films. I believe one of the recent articles for NTTD , EMPIRE perhaps, mentioned that after Boyle's departure Eon/Purvis and Wade had to start from scratch and cobble together a new plot. That's very last minute as the delay was only a few months. We'll see soon if the final result is a lackluster film, but somehow I don't think so.

    However, a 2 year gap seems less likely with each new film. The Bonds are now an occasional event rather than an ongoing tradition. I think that trend will continue as having a set release date for a follow up film doesn't seem to be a priority any longer. As it stands B26 isn't remotely on the producer's minds. Four years from now, we may start to hear official rumblings regarding the next film.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I agree with those who see 3 as more viable.
    I would like to see the next incarnation mapped out with 5 films in total. There could be story elements that carry over throughout the run with the freedom to do a standalone or films that are not heavily dependent on a on previous entries.
    Cast an actor who is between 35 and 40 and wraps up at 50 0r 55.
  • As I've got older and more used to it I find myself less bothered about the longer gaps. Time seems to go quicker and quicker as I get older anyway. LTK to GE felt like a literal lifetime. DAD to CR felt like ages. QoS to SF felt long, but felt a bit quicker. SP to NTTD? Feels like no time at all.

    4-5 years is probably a bit long though. Every two would be nice, but three is fine too. As long as the films still feel like a big event (they may not everywhere but they do in the UK, it's a big thing that transcends generations) I'm not too bothered. My worst nightmare is EON losing the rights to a studio that try to turn it into a Marvel/Star Wars esque machine, with constant soulless films every year or two and spin offs in between.
  • They cobbled together NTTD from scratch in about 5 months after Danny Boyle left. Of course they can do a Bond movie every two years.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited January 2020 Posts: 8,205
    Oh they could do it, but In today's world I think every two years would diminish the specialness and event status.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    A two-year cycle would likely decrease the scope and scale of the series, which might not be a bad thing honestly. I like the big event Bond films, but I do miss the days that between your bombastic films of world domination you might get one where Bond simply takes down a drug lord in the tropics. We pretty much got that with QoS, which was churned out within two-years.
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    Minion wrote: »
    A two-year cycle would likely decrease the scope and scale of the series, which might not be a bad thing honestly. I like the big event Bond films, but I do miss the days that between your bombastic films of world domination you might get one where Bond simply takes down a drug lord in the tropics. We pretty much got that with QoS, which was churned out within two-years.

    I feel like CR and QOS were both had a little more small-scale feeling, while SF and SP went for a more epic feel. Can’t tell with NTTD yet. I think the era has had a good balance of that overall, as well as the rest of the series. Certainly having two-year gaps would be preferable as long as the films retain high quality. I suspect we’ll wait 4-5 years for B26 waiting on a new actor, then normally deal with three-year gaps during the era.
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    I'd love it, having lived through the good old days when every 2 years was the norm. And it could be done, but would take a lot of planning, some compromise and commitment. With so many series now doing long-term projects, it gives the creators a chance to plot things out far in advance, not scrap it together the way Eon has done with the Craig series. Or they could simply scale back and go to smaller adventures that can still be exciting without having to go with the huge scope or alternate small with the big.

    Another advantage to the 2-year cycle: If we are disappointed with one film, it wouldn't be a long wait until a new one is on its way. Having just 2 Bond films past 12 years, neither of which I count among my favorites in the series, has made it that much harder.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    A two-year cycle would likely decrease the scope and scale of the series, which might not be a bad thing honestly. I like the big event Bond films, but I do miss the days that between your bombastic films of world domination you might get one where Bond simply takes down a drug lord in the tropics. We pretty much got that with QoS, which was churned out within two-years.

    I feel like CR and QOS were both had a little more small-scale feeling, while SF and SP went for a more epic feel. Can’t tell with NTTD yet. I think the era has had a good balance of that overall, as well as the rest of the series. Certainly having two-year gaps would be preferable as long as the films retain high quality. I suspect we’ll wait 4-5 years for B26 waiting on a new actor, then normally deal with three-year gaps during the era.

    Does anyone know how long it took to get CR off the ground? Obviously there was a four-year gap between it and Pierce's last Bond film, but of that time, how much was actually devoted to production on CR?
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    Minion wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    A two-year cycle would likely decrease the scope and scale of the series, which might not be a bad thing honestly. I like the big event Bond films, but I do miss the days that between your bombastic films of world domination you might get one where Bond simply takes down a drug lord in the tropics. We pretty much got that with QoS, which was churned out within two-years.

    I feel like CR and QOS were both had a little more small-scale feeling, while SF and SP went for a more epic feel. Can’t tell with NTTD yet. I think the era has had a good balance of that overall, as well as the rest of the series. Certainly having two-year gaps would be preferable as long as the films retain high quality. I suspect we’ll wait 4-5 years for B26 waiting on a new actor, then normally deal with three-year gaps during the era.

    Does anyone know how long it took to get CR off the ground? Obviously there was a four-year gap between it and Pierce's last Bond film, but of that time, how much was actually devoted to production on CR?

    I think Eon wasted a good year or more of that gap developing the legendary JINX film that everyone was dying to see. Then another several months trying to come up with something for Pierce until the ideas ran dry. Finally in early 2005 Eon announced CR as a re-boot to the franchise.
    Before that announcement I do distinctly remember B21 initially being slated for a November 2005 release and feeling gutted in late 2004 that it had been pushed back a whole 'nother year.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    If they were to take the continuation novels and use them as the basis from here on, I’m sure they’d have an easier time churning out Bond films.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Just start churning out the Gardner novels as films every two years. 👍
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Just start churning out the Gardner novels as films every two years. 👍
    If they were to take the continuation novels and use them as the basis from here on, I’m sure they’d have an easier time churning out Bond films.
    It’d be better than an “original screenplay” by Purvis and Wade that takes “years” to develop.
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    vzok wrote: »
    I thought Hopkins was cast in TND. He did 3 or 4 days on set.

    Literally never heard this before
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited January 2020 Posts: 5,420
    I wonder if they brought back a "Bond family" like those first few adventures whether it's possible to flirt with every 2 years. They will miss an anniversary in 2022 but they also missed the 1972, 1982 and 1992 anniversary so I guess we can't have it every year.

    When you look back on the sausage factory days a lot of the team was in house and they could handle the quick turnaround times. A film like YOLT with the volcano set if it was made today it would take forever to construct, course they might just CGI a lot of it. I really love Ken Adams and love that their appears to be a homage to his work in NTTD.
  • thedove wrote: »
    I wonder if they brought back a "Bond family" like those first few adventures whether it's possible to flirt with every 2 years. They will miss an anniversary in 2022 but they also missed the 1972, 1982 and 1992 anniversary so I guess we can't have it every year.

    When you look back on the sausage factory days a lot of the team was in house and they could handle the quick turnaround times. A film like YOLT with the volcano set if it was made today it would take forever to construct, course they might just CGI a lot of it. I really love Ken Adams and love that their appears to be a homage to his work in NTTD.

    No reason at all something like the volcano should take longer now. Better technology, lower wages to pay labourers, weaker unions so no tea breaks, smoko, etc. there’s mothing stopping us from getting a movie a year except pure laziness. Years have been wasted - let’s be positive, let’s think ahead a bit, and let’s play..! :)

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    After the having the 40th and 50th anniversaries, I think they could afford to miss out on the 60th. What they really missed out on was the year of 007 in 2007! They could have easily held off CR to put it out on a Summer release or something. WB had a Harry Potter film ready to come out in 2008 but then pushed it for a Summer 2009 release even though the film was pretty much complete but they found a more promising later date for profit.
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    I’m always slightly astonished that Goldfinger’s premiere in September 1964 was just eleven months after FRWL’s one in October 1963. Eleven months to write and make Goldfinger. Those guys really had a work ethic back then.
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    I think it is possible, when you see the Disney/Marvel team churn out so many enjoyable movies within such a short period of time.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I think it is possible, when you see the Disney/Marvel team churn out so many enjoyable movies within such a short period of time.

    The MCU is a different beast as they have a plethora of different title characters to draw from as opposed to one like James Bond. Narrow it down to solo films like THOR and GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY and you see each title getting a film on an average of every 3 years or more. The only exceptions were IRON MAN 2 and CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR, which came out two years after the previous installments. One is often regarded as the weakest of the series while the latter is among the strongest, so it's not guarantee.
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    I’m always slightly astonished that Goldfinger’s premiere in September 1964 was just eleven months after FRWL’s one in October 1963. Eleven months to write and make Goldfinger. Those guys really had a work ethic back then.

    True, they did have a real work ethic, but at the same time, GF was largely studio-bound and not far from Pinewood for location work, save for some second unit stuff shot in in Florida and some work in Switzerland where Connery actually traveled. If anything, it proves once again that Ken Adam was the man with all the sets and the Fort Knox replica.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited January 2020 Posts: 8,182
    They were also relatively smaller budgets in the earlier films. Note that the length between films started to really widen after TB as the budgets got larger and larger. Since then, the shortest length between films was between LALD and TMWGG by 18 months (a year and a half), followed by a what was for awhile the longest gap of 31 months (two and a half years) before there would be a six and a half year gap between LTK and GE.
  • We know they can do it. We've just watched in real-time them develop, write and shoot an entire Bond film in the space of - what... 15 months? They started from scratch after Boyle.

    No reason at all they can't do the same in 24 months - just laziness... Purvis and wade should be thinking about new storylines and scenarios NOW. What Bond fan doesn't automatically do that around the clock?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    We know they can do it. We've just watched in real-time them develop, write and shoot an entire Bond film in the space of - what... 15 months? They started from scratch after Boyle.

    No reason at all they can't do the same in 24 months - just laziness... Purvis and wade should be thinking about new storylines and scenarios NOW. What Bond fan doesn't automatically do that around the clock?

    My understanding is that they ended up using the Purvis & Wade script that was originally discarded by Boyle, and since they already had locations secured from the Boyle production that meant a lot of their work was already cut out for them. What needed to be done was to conform the original Purvis & Wade drafts with the locations from Boyle's production, with additional writers brought in.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,343
    Nowadays 3 years between each installment is the right timeframe. 4 in-between new actors.
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