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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I don't think it has been discussed it: originally Richard Maibaum and Michael G. Wilson proposed The Living Daylights to be a prequel in the series and wrote several treatments based on this idea. About it, Maibaum said:
    There was a lot of stuff in that we regretted losing – the whole business about James Bond as a young naval officer, a wild one that couldn’t be disciplined, who was reminded by his grandfather that the family motto is The World Is Not Enough. Through a friend of the grandfather, he gets a chance to redeem himself.

    These treatments have been described in both Charles Helfenstein's Making of The Living Daylights and Mark Edlitz's The Lost Adventures of James Bond. Set in Southeast Asia during the 1970s, they involved Bond being mentored by a senior 00-agent named Burton Trevor with whom he is tasked to infiltrate a Golden Triangle warlord's inner circles in order to kill him. So, what if Bond 15 was a prequel?

    I think Cubby would have given into PB being Bond over TD. If it was about a young Bond, that would have made sense. I can also see a big name actor for Burton Trevor. I hope EON uses more of this stuff for the next reboot.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited December 2022 Posts: 3,787
    I don't think it has been discussed it: originally Richard Maibaum and Michael G. Wilson proposed The Living Daylights to be a prequel in the series and wrote several treatments based on this idea. About it, Maibaum said:
    There was a lot of stuff in that we regretted losing – the whole business about James Bond as a young naval officer, a wild one that couldn’t be disciplined, who was reminded by his grandfather that the family motto is The World Is Not Enough. Through a friend of the grandfather, he gets a chance to redeem himself.

    These treatments have been described in both Charles Helfenstein's Making of The Living Daylights and Mark Edlitz's The Lost Adventures of James Bond. Set in Southeast Asia during the 1970s, they involved Bond being mentored by a senior 00-agent named Burton Trevor with whom he is tasked to infiltrate a Golden Triangle warlord's inner circles in order to kill him. So, what if Bond 15 was a prequel?

    I think it got reworked into Goldeneye.

    The early draft in TWINE is what I did find the most interesting, according to IMDb:
    It was rumored this movie originally had a different plot, and that it was going to be dark like Licence to Kill (1989) and GoldenEye (1995), and that it was going to focus on James Bond's offspring (the main villain) and it would be revealed Bond had fathered a child he never knew existed, and that the child was given up for adoption, hence the title "The World is Not Enough", which is Bond's family motto, and that the original plot was rejected.


  • MaxCasino wrote: »
    I think Cubby would have given into PB being Bond over TD. If it was about a young Bond, that would have made sense. I can also see a big name actor for Burton Trevor. I hope EON uses more of this stuff for the next reboot.
    Indeed: I don't think Dalton would have been considered at all if they went for a younger Bond and Brosnan would probably have been the strongest candidate. I'm mostly curious to know what the series would have become from Bond 16: would there have been a flash-forward bringing the new young Bond to present days (so the 80s), or would they have sticked to the past setting, supposing the 70s setting is indeed kept for this alternate TLD.
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think Moore without Lazenby would not have been as successful as Bond.
    Probably less successful, but I think Moore could have directly succeeded Connery in '68/'69. He probably would have been the only successor who wasn't doomed to fail at the time.

    Probably. I daresay he would have made a great OHMSS, which could have made his whole tenure a dash darker.

    Agreed with Moore, though my only doubt was the physicality part where he seemed not good of.
    I would *leave* it as it is.

    Now let's turn to the other side of the bottle, how do you guys think Brosnan would have fared in Casino Royale?

    I think Brosnan in CR in a 2006 adaptation would have needed serious rewrites and a different cast to work. If it was possible at all. A Bond we'll in his 50s romancing a much younger Vesper would have come up as an old fool.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2022 Posts: 6,277
    007HallY wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    So a wet Nellie before a wet nellie? I wonder how would that work though 😅

    Here how it is described in Matthew Field's Some Kind of Hero:
    Had Sean Connery been held to his contract OHMSS could have been very different as ideas and casting suggestions from those screenplays suggest. At one point, Blofeld would have been revealed to be Goldfinger’s twin brother, with Gert Fröbe in line to play the part. A later casting suggestion for Blofeld was Max von Sydow. Bond would have rescued Tracy in an Aston Martin capable of driving underwater complete with harpoon device. Alternatively, Bond was to have been equipped with the new Ford Grand Tursimo Mk III. All the screenplays pre-1968 are gadget-laden affairs with 007 being fitted out with blowpipe skipoles, skistrap grenades and a 3D television. Bond was to have despatched the villains causing statues to fall on them. Instead of Bond being imprisoned by Blofeld in the cable car wheelhouse, 007 is originally trapped in a chimpanzee cage.

    Someone really wanted to use that Goldfinger's brother idea, didn't they? Anyway, most of that sounds absolutely stupid. I do like the idea of von Sydow playing Blofeld though.

    It's interesting that most of us tend to speculate what a version of OHMSS with Connery would have looked like, or indeed what would have happened if it had been made earlier. I wonder, however, what OHMSS would have looked like if it had been made later, say in the 70s? The novel of course centres around a slightly older, more jaded Bond so it makes sense. DAF and subsequent films are in themselves a reaction to OHMSS, so I dunno how the series would have progressed without OHMSS.

    So much to discuss here. One is how much Eon repurposes unused ideas, even decades later. Here we see concepts reused in TSWLM, TLD, and SP.

    Moore in OHMSS. I'm of the belief that anyone--literally anyone--would have been destined to fail right after Connery. Connery and the Beatles were like God in the '60s. So Lazenby's failure in the part unwittingly "cleansed the palate" and benefited Moore.

    Moore may not have gotten Rigg either. They hired Rigg because Lazenby was an unknown, and Moore wasn't.

    By 1972, the world had changed. The '60s and free love and revolution and The Beatles were over (except in the suburbs--see The Ice Storm for an excellent exploration of this). Enter Moore, who is defined by the '70s as much as Connery is by the '60s.

    I also wonder how much the blaring James Bond theme at the end of OHMSS was intentional by Barry because he knew Lazenby wasn't coming back? Barry did say that he needed the music to "be Bond" because Lazenby wasn't fully up to the task...

    Cubby wouldn't need to be convinced about Brosnan in 1986. Cubby actually cast Brosnan then! And the Remington Steele and blah blah blah...

    Brosnan got horrible scripts, and horrible casting. And also Eon was in a state of creative turmoil after Cubby's death, and that hurt Brosnan. Cubby cast a huge shadow, and if I recall correctly, he was the one who didn't want a younger Bond who made mistakes for TLD.

    It wasn't until 2006 that MGW and BB felt comfortable enough to put their personal stamp on the series' direction.

    Brosnan in CR? Now *that* would have been epic pain face.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think Moore without Lazenby would not have been as successful as Bond.
    Probably less successful, but I think Moore could have directly succeeded Connery in '68/'69. He probably would have been the only successor who wasn't doomed to fail at the time.

    Probably. I daresay he would have made a great OHMSS, which could have made his whole tenure a dash darker.

    Agreed with Moore, though my only doubt was the physicality part where he seemed not good of.
    I would *leave* it as it is.

    Now let's turn to the other side of the bottle, how do you guys think Brosnan would have fared in Casino Royale?

    I think Brosnan in CR in a 2006 adaptation would have needed serious rewrites and a different cast to work. If it was possible at all. A Bond we'll in his 50s romancing a much younger Vesper would have come up as an old fool.

    What if they had paired Brosnan with an actress like Monica Bellucci, for example. With major rewrites yes.

  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think Moore without Lazenby would not have been as successful as Bond.
    Probably less successful, but I think Moore could have directly succeeded Connery in '68/'69. He probably would have been the only successor who wasn't doomed to fail at the time.

    Probably. I daresay he would have made a great OHMSS, which could have made his whole tenure a dash darker.

    Agreed with Moore, though my only doubt was the physicality part where he seemed not good of.
    I would *leave* it as it is.

    Now let's turn to the other side of the bottle, how do you guys think Brosnan would have fared in Casino Royale?

    I think Brosnan in CR in a 2006 adaptation would have needed serious rewrites and a different cast to work. If it was possible at all. A Bond we'll in his 50s romancing a much younger Vesper would have come up as an old fool.

    What if they had paired Brosnan with an actress like Monica Bellucci, for example. With major rewrites yes.

    I mean it'd make more sense for a 42 year old Bellucci to be in a senior position in the Treasury than them retconning a 23 y.o Vesper. But apart from that minor nitpick, there's something so fitting that the first Bond novel is the first film for a new Bond, an origin story. I'm not saying it couldn't've worked for Brosnan but I don't want to live in a world where we didn't get the film that we got.
  • I think the only way I’d take a version of Casino Royale without Craig would be if it was one of the early Connery films from between 1962-1964. Connery in Casino Royale directed by say Terence Young would’ve been perhaps the greatest Bond film ever made.
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    I think the only way I’d take a version of Casino Royale without Craig would be if it was one of the early Connery films from between 1962-1964. Connery in Casino Royale directed by say Terence Young would’ve been perhaps the greatest Bond film ever made.

    Charles Feldman, who had the rights, supposedly approached Broccoli and Saltzman about partnering on a version of CR, but having already had to do so with Kevin McClory on TB, they weren't keen on it and Feldman offered Connery the chance to play Bond for him, and when he turned it down it led to CR becoming the comedy mess it would be.

    One can only imagine a Connery CR.
  • BT3366 wrote: »
    I think the only way I’d take a version of Casino Royale without Craig would be if it was one of the early Connery films from between 1962-1964. Connery in Casino Royale directed by say Terence Young would’ve been perhaps the greatest Bond film ever made.

    Charles Feldman, who had the rights, supposedly approached Broccoli and Saltzman about partnering on a version of CR, but having already had to do so with Kevin McClory on TB, they weren't keen on it and Feldman offered Connery the chance to play Bond for him, and when he turned it down it led to CR becoming the comedy mess it would be.

    One can only imagine a Connery CR.

    It’s a shame Feldman and EON couldn’t come to an agreement. Unless I’m mistaking, I believe if an EON version of CR was to have come to fruition, then they would’ve had Shirley MacLaine as Vesper, or so it was rumored.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    I think the only way I’d take a version of Casino Royale without Craig would be if it was one of the early Connery films from between 1962-1964. Connery in Casino Royale directed by say Terence Young would’ve been perhaps the greatest Bond film ever made.

    Charles Feldman, who had the rights, supposedly approached Broccoli and Saltzman about partnering on a version of CR, but having already had to do so with Kevin McClory on TB, they weren't keen on it and Feldman offered Connery the chance to play Bond for him, and when he turned it down it led to CR becoming the comedy mess it would be.

    One can only imagine a Connery CR.

    It’s a shame Feldman and EON couldn’t come to an agreement. Unless I’m mistaking, I believe if an EON version of CR was to have come to fruition, then they would’ve had Shirley MacLaine as Vesper, or so it was rumored.

    Actually, it's Elizabeth Taylor, Feldman wanted her for the Vesper role opposite Connery.
  • Posts: 15,106
    Ludovico wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think Moore without Lazenby would not have been as successful as Bond.
    Probably less successful, but I think Moore could have directly succeeded Connery in '68/'69. He probably would have been the only successor who wasn't doomed to fail at the time.

    Probably. I daresay he would have made a great OHMSS, which could have made his whole tenure a dash darker.

    Agreed with Moore, though my only doubt was the physicality part where he seemed not good of.
    I would *leave* it as it is.

    Now let's turn to the other side of the bottle, how do you guys think Brosnan would have fared in Casino Royale?

    I think Brosnan in CR in a 2006 adaptation would have needed serious rewrites and a different cast to work. If it was possible at all. A Bond we'll in his 50s romancing a much younger Vesper would have come up as an old fool.

    What if they had paired Brosnan with an actress like Monica Bellucci, for example. With major rewrites yes.

    As much as I love Monica Bellucci, I think Vesper would have suffered. Vesper needs to be vulnerable and somewhat naive and idealistic. You would not get that vibe with a mature woman who oozes sexuality like Bellucci. And I think major rewrites of CR to fit Brosnan would have made the story much poorer overall. A new FYEO with Brosnan as a more mature, mentor Bond? Released around 2004? Yes, it would have worked. But Brosnan for CR? No way.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    A Brosnan CR two films after TWINE wouldn't work so well IMO.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    A Brosnan CR two films after TWINE wouldn't work so well IMO.

    I’m curious as to why you think TWINE in particular.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    What if Timothy Dalton kept portraying Bond from 1991 to 2002?
    or...
    What if Timothy Dalton accepted to play James Bond in On Her Majesty's Secret Service?

    I would have preferred the former, as Dalton looked far too young in 1968/9. Though I don't see him wanting to stick around until 2002, even being as close to the EON team as he was. I would say, 1987, 1989 then either 1991 and 1993, or 1992 and 1994 would be more likely.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    A Brosnan CR two films after TWINE wouldn't work so well IMO.

    I’m curious as to why you think TWINE in particular.
    Because it uses a similar idea of the most prominent Bond Girl betraying Bond.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    A Brosnan CR two films after TWINE wouldn't work so well IMO.

    I’m curious as to why you think TWINE in particular.
    Because it uses a similar idea of the most prominent Bond Girl betraying Bond.

    Fair enough.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 2022 Posts: 3,147
    echo wrote: »
    I'm of the belief that anyone--literally anyone--would have been destined to fail right after Connery.
    Agreed. Dalton said that when he was first asked to play Bond he thought it would be 'a pretty dumb move to take over from Connery.' No matter how good Tim was, he knew he couldn't have won - because he wasn't Sean Connery. Dalton never looked boyish, even in his early films such as The Lion In Winter and Cromwell, and I think he'd've been a genuinely great Bond right from the off. But in 1969, no one would've even given him the benefit of the doubt. To the known world, 'Sean Connery is James Bond' wasn't a publicity blurb, it was the plain truth.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    A Brosnan CR two films after TWINE wouldn't work so well IMO.

    I’m curious as to why you think TWINE in particular.
    Because it uses a similar idea of the most prominent Bond Girl betraying Bond.

    Yeah in the sake continuity, even a lose one, Bond would come off as incredibly gullible.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think Moore without Lazenby would not have been as successful as Bond.
    Probably less successful, but I think Moore could have directly succeeded Connery in '68/'69. He probably would have been the only successor who wasn't doomed to fail at the time.

    Probably. I daresay he would have made a great OHMSS, which could have made his whole tenure a dash darker.

    Agreed with Moore, though my only doubt was the physicality part where he seemed not good of.
    I would *leave* it as it is.

    Now let's turn to the other side of the bottle, how do you guys think Brosnan would have fared in Casino Royale?

    I think Brosnan in CR in a 2006 adaptation would have needed serious rewrites and a different cast to work. If it was possible at all. A Bond we'll in his 50s romancing a much younger Vesper would have come up as an old fool.

    What if they had paired Brosnan with an actress like Monica Bellucci, for example. With major rewrites yes.

    As much as I love Monica Bellucci, I think Vesper would have suffered. Vesper needs to be vulnerable and somewhat naive and idealistic. You would not get that vibe with a mature woman who oozes sexuality like Bellucci. And I think major rewrites of CR to fit Brosnan would have made the story much poorer overall. A new FYEO with Brosnan as a more mature, mentor Bond? Released around 2004? Yes, it would have worked. But Brosnan for CR? No way.

    I think Monica Bellucci could have nailed it, I mean a bit closer to how Vesper was written in the novel (loner, cold, vulnerable, an enigma/mysterious, a bit screwed up), her performance in SPECTRE speaks to that.

    Monica Bellucci is a great actress, she could have nailed that.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Yes Cubby rejected a "Bond Begins" story in 1987. Maibaum and Wilson did craft a script based on the idea, but it went nowhere. Brosnan was hired and I believe photos exist of a contract signing, however once Brandon Tardikoff caught wind of the Bond signing, he triggered a production of Remington Steele. Cubby rightly released Pierce and turned back to Dalton. He didn't want US audiences seeing his Bond for free on TV.

    Could Brosnan had pulled off a CR. Perhaps, I think he has the acting chops to do it. Given the right script and director I could see it. Forgive me, but does the novel actually say it's Bond's first mission as a double-o? Been a while since I have read the book. Why couldn't a version work with a jaded older Bond whose armour breaks down and he opens his heart only for it to be broken by Vesper?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited December 2022 Posts: 3,787
    thedove wrote: »
    Yes Cubby rejected a "Bond Begins" story in 1987. Maibaum and Wilson did craft a script based on the idea, but it went nowhere. Brosnan was hired and I believe photos exist of a contract signing, however once Brandon Tardikoff caught wind of the Bond signing, he triggered a production of Remington Steele. Cubby rightly released Pierce and turned back to Dalton. He didn't want US audiences seeing his Bond for free on TV.

    Could Brosnan had pulled off a CR. Perhaps, I think he has the acting chops to do it. Given the right script and director I could see it. Forgive me, but does the novel actually say it's Bond's first mission as a double-o? Been a while since I have read the book. Why couldn't a version work with a jaded older Bond whose armour breaks down and he opens his heart only for it to be broken by Vesper?

    There's no implication that he's a rookie in the book, in the book, if my memory serves, he's already a professional, and he'd been sent into that mission because he's the best gambler in MI6, and not because it's his first mission.

    But it could have been great with Brosnan given of his attitude towards women, he's an easy go lucky guy, then suddenly it's only Vesper who could break him down, and that would change his life, remember Bond's backstory had been told in the books even before the events of Casino Royale, think of how he slept with a French prostitute in the AVTAK short story, so, given Brosnan Bond's background, it could have worked well, a man who thinks women are only for sex and pleasure would be changed by Vesper.
  • MI6HQ wrote: »
    There's no implication that he's a rookie in the book, in the book, if my memory serves, he's already a professional, and he'd been sent into that mission because he's the best gambler in MI6, and not because it's his first mission.
    Indeed, Bond has been a Double-O for some times already when Casino Royale starts.
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    But it could have been great with Brosnan given of his attitude towards women, he's an easy go lucky guy, then suddenly it's only Vesper who could break him down, and that would change his life, remember Bond's backstory had been told in the books even before the events of Casino Royale, think of how he slept with a French prostitute in the AVTAK short story, so, given Brosnan Bond's background, it could have worked well, a man who thinks women are only for sex and pleasure would be changed by Vesper.
    Right, I totally agree: it would have taken on another meaning with Brosnan, but the love affair between Bond and Vesper would have been as powerful with a seasoned 007.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    Apparently, at some point during the early 60's, Kevin Mcclory tried to get the rights to the entire Bond universe, happily, he couldn't, but what if he managed to get the rights to it? How would that affect the Bond franchise?
    Also he already had planned a sequel to what ended up becoming 'Never Say Never Again', which was called 'S.P.E.C.T.R.E.', guess that's why Danny's penultimate outing is hated by most Bond fans. ;) ;) ;)
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Monica Bellucci is indeed a great actress. Her guest performance on Dix Pour Cent where she just wants to date a "normal guy" is hilarious, if you haven't seen it!



    I think a CR with Brosnan as an older Bond and Bellucci is an interesting What If? With the right script, maybe?

    If McClory won the rights to do as many Bond films as he wanted in the 1960s, I predict we would have had Bond overload, and a lack of quality control, and Bond films would have died around the time the Matt Helm films did.

    McClory was no saint and he was annoying but Fleming did Eon no favors for decades by selling his books to various people and by not attributing the work of others.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited December 2022 Posts: 1,098
    echo wrote: »
    If McClory won the rights to do as many Bond films as he wanted in the 1960s, I predict we would have had Bond overload, and a lack of quality control, and Bond films would have died around the time the Matt Helm films did.

    My guess is that he would do at least three films before the franchise died:

    - Warhead (1963)

    - S.P.E.C.T.R.E. (1965)

    - Casino Royale (1967)

    And since we're talking about Mcclory, after GoldenEye brought Bond into the new era, Mcclory tried to do another Remake of Thunderball, apparently with Dalton as Bond in one last outing (There also were rumours about either Jason Connery or Liam Neeson taking the role), so what if it happened? How could the story be changed to fit into the 90's or 2000's? Could Patrick Stewart have been Blofeld? Could a female Largo have worked?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited December 2022 Posts: 3,787
    Longitude 78 West - 1958 (starring Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn), McClory attempted to call Alfred Hitchcock to direct, but Hitchcock denied his request, because he's busy.

    Warhead - 1962 (Starring a different actor)

    SPECTRE - 1964 (Starring another different actor)

    (Assuming that Fleming was still alive until 1967 because McClory won the film rights, so there would be no court dramas that would give Fleming stress).

    In 1965, Feldman attempted to buy the rights to Casino Royale but Fleming rejected and denied his request.

    Then Fleming would have seen those films, and as he's seeing the failure that McClory's doing, he would start to talk to a friend of his to air and adapt his Bond novels (CR included) to the TV instead, it would be similar to The Man From UNCLE, The Saint, and Mission Impossible.

    This Bond series based on the Fleming novels would dominate the Television in the 60's, along with The Saint and The Avengers, probably moreso than that.

    Now, the franchise that McClory's building would come to an end because of box office failures, the Longitude 78 West was a success mainly because of the lead stars, but the second film, Warhead was where the downfall started, then it all came to an end with SPECTRE.

    It's not until the 90's that the Bond novels would get a film treatment similar to how Mission Impossible and The Saint got some film treatments in the 90's, bought by 20th Century Fox :)).

    It's sad to think what would happen, so very thankful that it didn't happened.

    But here's an interesting what if scenario, what if Kevin McClory built his own franchise to rival EON's, with SPECTRE and Blofeld as the villain, since he won the Thunderball case, and EON could no longer use SPECTRE and Blofeld, and McClory's attempt to do some Bond films that could rival EON, what do you guys think would have happened? I mean two James Bonds fighting at the cinema? I mean the battle of the Bonds did happened in 1983, so what if McClory succeeded in making a Rival Bond Franchise? How long would it last?
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Here's an interesting what if scenario, what if Kevin McClory built his own franchise to rival EON's, with SPECTRE and Blofeld as the villain, since he won the Thunderball case, and EON could no longer use SPECTRE and Blofeld, and McClory's attempt to do some Bond films that could rival EON, what do you guys think would have happened? I mean two James Bonds fighting at the cinema? I mean the battle of the Bonds did happened in 1983, so what if McClory succeeded in making a Rival Bond Franchise? How long would it last?

    It would probably be just a matter of time until some Canadian wrote a Bond multiverse story and published it.

    'Bond Unknown: Into The Bond-Verse'

    On a more serious look, having two Bond franchises on cinemas would probably end up on both forcefully having to stop, EON's would be the first one to stop, due to Mcclory's ambition for quantity over quality, which would also be the ultimate fate of the Mcclory Bond Cinematic Universe.
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    Next film, what if everything old were new again? Like that day back in the 60s when DN opened and everything was marvelously brand new. New Bond, new supporting players, and new writers. Keep the iconic Bond theme. But let's get back to what made Bond fresh.


  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I don't think the spy craze would have happened without Bond. So no Mission Impossible on TV, no Matt Helm, etc.

    If McClory thwarted Eon's momentum, the question would be whether he did so before GF the film.
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