Thoughts on Fiennes character, other than Ernst?

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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited November 2011 Posts: 4,399
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I'll say this once more:

    Fiennes is not the type of actor I see signing on for 3+ movies -in such a rather small role (traditionally), thus I do not believe he is M.

    would you think Dench, an actress of her caliber would've signed on for as long as she did to play M before Goldeneye's release?... i mean, who really knows lol..


    First of all. I always try to make a distinction between gossip (Bad newspapers and tabloids that are talking crap) and slip of the tongues from people that are actually working on the damn project (John Logan, David Arnold, you know them.

    Listen Graves, seeing as how I am quoted in your comment, and I know why - and as it seems that you've already gotten on your high horse, let me just say..... my comment was merely an IDEA - not based around a rumor, or "slip of the tounge" or reading too much into an off the cuff comment, or anything else other than what I personally would like to see... I'm glad that you personally make your distinctions based on what you do.... but all i was saying is that the man gets so many villain roles, that it would be fun to see all the rumors turned over on their heads, and him actually playing a good guy.. preferably as the new M

    call me weird - but i like to think outside of the box sometimes
  • Agent005 wrote:
    The assistant commissioner of Scotland Yard Ronie Vallance. I think he could pull this off well. With the attack on London/Mi6 I could him in this role for or against M and MI6 and what happened...

    I never would have even thought of that, but it is absolutely brilliant! Fiennes would be perfect in such a role.

    Like 'M', the role of assistant commissioner Ronie Vallance is another secondary character. To be honest, if Ralph Fiennes would have read his role for the first time, his name being 'assistant commissioner, he would never agreed to be in 'Skyfall' in the first place. Nah, his role needs to be big, bigger, biggest. Otherwise EON would have problems contracting such a big name. Same goes for Javier Bardem by the way. 'Assistant commissioner' would be too small for him too.

    Nah, I think both Javier Bardem and Ralph Fiennes will be the two leading figures in a very big plot....a very big villains plot. I can't see them as adversaries/friends/partners of Mr Bond himself.

    Ronie Vallance is more a role for a guy like Ben Whishaw.....
  • HASEROT wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I'll say this once more:

    Fiennes is not the type of actor I see signing on for 3+ movies -in such a rather small role (traditionally), thus I do not believe he is M.

    would you think Dench, an actress of her caliber would've signed on for as long as she did to play M before Goldeneye's release?... i mean, who really knows lol..


    First of all. I always try to make a distinction between gossip (Bad newspapers and tabloids that are talking crap) and slip of the tongues from people that are actually working on the damn project (John Logan, David Arnold, you know them.

    Listen Graves, seeing as how I am quoted in your comment, and I know why - and as it seems that you've already gotten on your high horse, let me just say..... my comment was merely an IDEA - not based around a rumor, or "slip of the tounge" or reading too much into an off the cuff comment, or anything else other than what I personally would like to see... I'm glad that you personally make your distinctions based on what you do.... but all i was saying is that the man gets so many villain roles, that it would be fun to see all the rumors turned over on their heads, and him actually playing a good guy.. preferably as the new M

    call me weird - but i like to think outside of the box sometimes

    Call me weird - but I like to stick to certain ideas. Why? Because I like to think what perhaps Michael G. Wilson and Babs Brocolli were thinking when they were coming up with a new Bond film. I try to dig into the minds of Purvis, Wade and Logan....and what they actually would like to do. Because for me it's thrilling to come up with ideas that have the best chance to be put on the screen eventually.

    And, I think.......bringing back Blofeld is pretty much out of the box thinking ;-). Many fans in here basically hate the idea. But I think it's the best way of creating a real, psychotic, memorable villain. One that has the potential to get noticed by the Academy of Motion Pictures. Bond used to have its own 'Joker'.....in the 1960's. For God sake, bring such a villain BACK again.

    By the way, read my quote above as well. I just can't see Ralph Fiennes playing Bond's partner. The idea is lovely for us fans. Especially the Bond fans that love the novels. But I think it won't happen. Ralph Fiennes needs to get a huge role. Otherwise, especially in the case of Ronie Vallance, the Bond producers would have already made Ralph's character public. But still, Ralph's character is Top Secret, For EON'S Eyes Only.

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited November 2011 Posts: 4,399
    HASEROT wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I'll say this once more:

    Fiennes is not the type of actor I see signing on for 3+ movies -in such a rather small role (traditionally), thus I do not believe he is M.

    would you think Dench, an actress of her caliber would've signed on for as long as she did to play M before Goldeneye's release?... i mean, who really knows lol..


    First of all. I always try to make a distinction between gossip (Bad newspapers and tabloids that are talking crap) and slip of the tongues from people that are actually working on the damn project (John Logan, David Arnold, you know them.

    Listen Graves, seeing as how I am quoted in your comment, and I know why - and as it seems that you've already gotten on your high horse, let me just say..... my comment was merely an IDEA - not based around a rumor, or "slip of the tounge" or reading too much into an off the cuff comment, or anything else other than what I personally would like to see... I'm glad that you personally make your distinctions based on what you do.... but all i was saying is that the man gets so many villain roles, that it would be fun to see all the rumors turned over on their heads, and him actually playing a good guy.. preferably as the new M

    call me weird - but i like to think outside of the box sometimes

    Call me weird - but I like to stick to certain ideas. Why? Because I like to think what perhaps Michael G. Wilson and Babs Brocolli were thinking when they were coming up with a new Bond film. I try to dig into the minds of Purvis, Wade and Logan....and what they actually would like to do. Because for me it's thrilling to come up with ideas that have the best chance to be put on the screen eventually.

    And, I think.......bringing back Blofeld is pretty much out of the box thinking ;-). Many fans in here basically hate the idea. But I think it's the best way of creating a real, psychotic, memorable villain. One that has the potential to get noticed by the Academy of Motion Pictures. Bond used to have its own 'Joker'.....in the 1960's. For God sake, bring such a villain BACK again.

    By the way, read my quote above as well. I just can't see Ralph Fiennes playing Bond's partner. The idea is lovely for us fans. Especially the Bond fans that love the novels. But I think it won't happen. Ralph Fiennes needs to get a huge role. Otherwise, especially in the case of Ronie Vallance, the Bond producers would have already made Ralph's character public. But still, Ralph's character is Top Secret, For EON'S Eyes Only.

    i would hardly call your notion of bringing back Blofeld out of the box thinking... quite the opposite - i think it's the most overly used, and cliche' suggestion time and time again.. every time a new Bond is announced, or in production - the same thing comes up, either by a fan - or the tabloid... it seems we as fans can't go a film without hearing "Is Blofeld returning?" ... "Who's playing Blofeld?" .. etc etc etc ..... it gets annoying to hear (at least to me) on a consistent basis........ going with the common trend of thought, and rumor, is not out of the box.. sorry - out of the box would be going completely the other direction (like my suggestion) because it goes against the norm of what everyone is expecting.... for example, so a search on Fiennes/Blofeld - and then one on Fiennes/M, and see what the ratio is ;-) ..... you sir, and your thinking, is safely packaged in the box..

    i personally say, let Blofeld be the past - i much rather like there being no real head of Quantum - it's an organization that is constantly evolving... cut off one head, 2 more appear... Blofeld has been basterdized, parodied, and cliched to death - and I can't see Wilson and Broccoli, with the current mood of the Bond films bringing back even more cliche's .... if they aren't completely keen on bringing back Q or Moneypenny, then why in heaven's name would they bring back Blofeld? - for what reason?? - to win an Academy award?... lol.... i doubt no matter how great a Bond film is, that it'll ever get Academy recognition - and i truthfully believe the producers could really care less about that little gold statue anyway..... unless it's for original song, set design, score, or editing - I would say don't hold your breath for a Bond film to ever be nominated for best Actor/Actress, Director, Screenwriting, or Film.... if it didn't happen for Casino Royale, well then..... *shrugs*.... catch my drift?
  • edited November 2011 Posts: 5,745
    Actually, to retort my earlier argument on Fiennes not reasonably signing on for multiple films...

    He is interested in directing, what with his new film Coriolanus and all..
    Perhaps he's signed on for M while he works on his directing gigs over the years. Enough to make some major dough on the side, and still be a large part in the acting world, but also hone in on his directing skills. The grand finale for him and Bond - after about 5 goes as M he directs his 6th and final Bond film as M.

    Magic is in the air (*)
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I still maintain that Fiennes is playing M's son.
  • edited November 2011 Posts: 886
    I read that he's playing a character with a name beginning with M, Sir Miles something or another..?? I don't think he's the "new" M at all, but connected to her past, back to seek justification for victims or for her? Appearing to bridge the gap after maybe M dies or is assassinated in SF maybe and until B24 when a new M appears. Many of the early on set shots look like Bond gets bad news, is distraught, maybe about M?
  • Agent005 wrote:
    The assistant commissioner of Scotland Yard Ronie Vallance. I think he could pull this off well. With the attack on London/Mi6 I could him in this role for or against M and MI6 and what happened...

    I never would have even thought of that, but it is absolutely brilliant! Fiennes would be perfect in such a role.

    Like 'M', the role of assistant commissioner Ronie Vallance is another secondary character. To be honest, if Ralph Fiennes would have read his role for the first time, his name being 'assistant commissioner, he would never agreed to be in 'Skyfall' in the first place. Nah, his role needs to be big, bigger, biggest. Otherwise EON would have problems contracting such a big name. Same goes for Javier Bardem by the way. 'Assistant commissioner' would be too small for him too.

    Nah, I think both Javier Bardem and Ralph Fiennes will be the two leading figures in a very big plot....a very big villains plot. I can't see them as adversaries/friends/partners of Mr Bond himself.

    Ronie Vallance is more a role for a guy like Ben Whishaw.....

    And allthough I wasn't right, I guessed it right that Ben Whishaw would play a secondary, recurring role. I am delighted he will play the new 'Q' :-D. Allthough Ralph Fiennes would never want to play 'Q', old or new version.
  • RC7RC7
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    My initial thought was that Fiennes is a character from M's past (this is not a literal expansion of the synopsis) possibly an ex-agent or colleague who at some point somewhere along the line went rogue. It seems Bardem may be straight down the line villain. Something tells me Fiennes' role will be more than a little ambiguous. The puppet master so to speak.
  • RC7 wrote:
    My initial thought was that Fiennes is a character from M's past (this is not a literal expansion of the synopsis) possibly an ex-agent or colleague who at some point somewhere along the line went rogue. It seems Bardem may be straight down the line villain. Something tells me Fiennes' role will be more than a little ambiguous. The puppet master so to speak.

    Can you name the puppet master from 'From Russia With Love' and 'Thunderball' :-)?
  • Henchman? But more involved in the plot... :-?
  • I don't know if this has been posted yet, but he refers to his role as a "cameo" in this interview:
    http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/ralph-fiennes-interview-coriolanus/
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    jackdagger wrote:
    I don't know if this has been posted yet, but he refers to his role as a "cameo" in this interview:
    http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/ralph-fiennes-interview-coriolanus/

    I guess his role will be small but important. It won't be a real "cameo". Madonna had a cameo in DAD. I'm sure Fiennes has a larger role in Skyfall.

  • jackdagger wrote:
    I don't know if this has been posted yet, but he refers to his role as a "cameo" in this interview:
    http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/ralph-fiennes-interview-coriolanus/

    hm....very interesting I wonder what can be considered a camero?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,356
    Maybe he has the smallest role of the main cast members? He's not going to be in a few scenes only, that's for certain.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 11,119
    Can you tell us anything about your role in the "Bond" movie? "I can't, I'm not allowed to, except I've been seduced by ("Skyfall 007" writer) John Logan and (director) Sam Mendes into a very interesting little cameo."
    WhatCulture! attended a BAFTA screenwriters Q&A session with John Logan where an audience member reminded Logan of something he’d said nearly ten years ago on the subject of Bond: “Bond should always fight Blofeld.” When pressed on the issue, Logan repeated the sentiment with a wry smile on his face: “Bond should always fight Blofeld!
    Daniel Craig: "Early on, we sat down and we just rabbited for hours about “Live and Let Die” and “From Russia With Love”, and talked about little scenes that we knew from them. That’s how we started talking about it. That’s what we have tried to instil this in the script."


    I don't want to bring this topic on again. But after reading the above quotes, doesn't it start becoming very obvious that an iconic Ian Fleming character will return again.....and will be carefully introduced during 'Skyfall' and Bond films after that 8-| ??
  • Posts: 1,894
    I think you're reading entirely too much into things (as usual), trying to find meaning where there is none - especially with that final comment from GQ. Craig and Mendes and EON sat down and started talking about FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, looking at the little scenes that made the novel and the film what they were, and decided to concentrate on those little things to try and instill SKYFALL with that same spirit as FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE.

    Stop grasping at straws.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 11,119
    I think you're reading entirely too much into things (as usual), trying to find meaning where there is none - especially with that final comment from GQ. Craig and Mendes and EON sat down and started talking about FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, looking at the little scenes that made the novel and the film what they were, and decided to concentrate on those little things to try and instill SKYFALL with that same spirit as FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE.

    Stop grasping at straws.

    STOP destroying some fun guessing in this forum #:-S! Guessing which actually has a base of truth. I mean, who is doing the fact research in here. Look at the quotes.

    I take in account other options as well. QUANTUM could return. And the character that Ralph Fiennes is playing could also be called Nr.1 for legal reasons, making it unnecessary for the names 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' to return.

    And now about you. You start annoying me tremendously. This is a forum, not the editorial staff of the London Financial Times for goodness sake. Please show a bit more cheerful attitude in here, instead of all this 'fact stamping'. You make it boring in here.

    Well, I have said it. I don't want to make you feel bad. But the above could be a good advice for you.
  • Posts: 1,894
    STOP destroying some fun guessing in this forum #:-S! Guessing which actually has a base of truth. I take in account other options as well. QUANTUM could return.
    Mendes and Craig have already stated that Quantum will not appear in SKYFALL. Contrary to what you might think, I'm all for speculation - but for all your claims about having a "base of truth", you're committing some pretty large oversights.
    And the character that Ralph Fiennes is playing could also be called Nr.1 for legal reasons, making it unnecessary for the names 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' to return.
    Except that we already have some (unconfirmed) information about Fiennes, suggesting he will not play Blofeld.
    the above could be a good advice for you.
    Well, here's some good advice for you - stop trying to convince everyone that you've somehow worked out this secret code about the details of the film, and that you're the only one who can see it. Your posts have a lecturing tone, as if you're trying to educate a group of kindergarten students that the alphabet goes A-B-C-D-E-F-G and so on.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 11,119
    STOP destroying some fun guessing in this forum #:-S! Guessing which actually has a base of truth. I take in account other options as well. QUANTUM could return.
    Mendes and Craig have already stated that Quantum will not appear in SKYFALL. Contrary to what you might think, I'm all for speculation - but for all your claims about having a "base of truth", you're committing some pretty large oversights.
    And the character that Ralph Fiennes is playing could also be called Nr.1 for legal reasons, making it unnecessary for the names 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' to return.
    Except that we already have some (unconfirmed) information about Fiennes, suggesting he will not play Blofeld.
    the above could be a good advice for you.
    Well, here's some good advice for you - stop trying to convince everyone that you've somehow worked out this secret code about the details of the film, and that you're the only one who can see it. Your posts have a lecturing tone, as if you're trying to educate a group of kindergarten students that the alphabet goes A-B-C-D-E-F-G and so on.

    You just can't see I am having fun in here as well, don't you :-). Now you also start implying a load of crap. That "I have worked out this secret code" and that "I am the only one seeing this". WTF.

    I think your problem is, that you are irritated by me. Only plain, clear irritation. And that I really can't help. You should get used to my style of posting. And if you can't, then that is entirely your problem.

    If you were empathic enough, you would know I am having fun in here. And you just...can't. I feel sorry for you though :-).
  • RC7RC7
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    Chill out guys.
  • Posts: 1,548
    Whoever RF is playing he will bring class to the film. Personally I'd prefer him to be playing Blofeld but i,m sure his character will be interesting whoever it is
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited December 2011 Posts: 14,686
    I still find it pretty mind-blowing he's in Skyfall. This film's gonna rock, regardless of what Fiennes' role is.
  • gt007gt007 Station G
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    jackdagger wrote:
    I don't know if this has been posted yet, but he refers to his role as a "cameo" in this interview:
    http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/ralph-fiennes-interview-coriolanus/

    Very interesting. He calls his role a "cameo", but we know it's going to be an important one because he's Ralph Fiennes. First thought: he's the new M.

    But him saying he got seduced by Logan and Mendes makes me think he's not signed up for a recurring role.
  • Posts: 6,601
    For me, this is the really interesting part

    t was interesting to hear Sam Mendes say it will focus a little bit more on the characters than the action.
    I think the script — it has a lot to do with my friendship with John — the script is very cool and very smart. It's a brilliantly thought-through screenplay. I think it will surprise people with just what a good story it is.


    We heard about the script being great, but so far weren't sure about how action heavy it would be. So obviously it won't be another QOS...
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 74
    QoS was a companion piece, hence the more action orientated film (which was needed after the CR, brilliant as it is). Anyway, I think we need to go away from the obvious. Ralph Fiennes does like to play villains and unpleasant types, for me I'd be more interested to see him as an ally of sort, or perhaps a neutral figure. Something against type. He could even be just a senior minister in Whitehall/the cabinet government? I'm tempted to say he could be the new M...then again he could be the Prime Minister. Who knows?! If he were some corrupt MP or Peer...could be interesting.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    " the script is very cool and very smart. It's a brilliantly thought-through screenplay. I think it will surprise people with just what a good story it is." And the focus on the characters has me weeping with unbelievable joy. Again, the script is being praised to high heaven and I really have blind faith in the direction of where this movie is going.

    Its also just dawned on me that Skyfall could be the Bond movie that could change the dynamic of how the Bond series has always been portrayed on a significant level. I don't think its still sunk in that Mendes is directing let alone the talent involved.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 1,856
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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited December 2011 Posts: 14,686
    Does this mean you're positive he'll play Blofeld? :D Half of me hopes you're right.
  • Posts: 4,622
    I haven't given up hope, that Fiennes might be playing Blofeld. He's been very coy, referring to his role as a cameo.Maybe that means he is introduced as Blofeld late in the film, as a big reveal. However he did say his character didn't have a cat. Maybe Blofeld sans cat, but cat comes later. Movie Blofeld doesn't make much sense though without the cat, and isn't as much fun. The two go hand in hand. Then there was the other story of Fiennes shooting in what seems like it might be the undergroud bunker, playing a character whose name started with an M, and seemingly associated with Mi6 types. This makes him an unlikely candidate for Blofeld. In conclusion I have no idea who he might be playing. I can't even make a good guess. I'm tempted to say the new M, but that would be a recurring role, yet he called his role a cameo, which isn't consistent with being cast as M, unless he means cameo as brief appearance, but still its an odd way of referring to a role that would be intended as recurring. An actor of his stature, you would think, would have to be given a role of some substance.
    Anyway, I think things are looking a little bleak on the Blofeld front. There just isn't enough to latch on to there, at least for now.
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