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Weekly Bond Poll: Round 59: secondary Bond girls & helicopter flights

goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
edited December 2021 in Trivia & Games Posts: 4,490
Inspired by Thunderfingers "Bond film tournament", I thought it could be interesting to start another weekly poll where we have to decide between to possibilites. While Tunderfinger's tournament is only about the ranking of the whole bond movies, I would like to ask you to decide between different components of different movies (or even the same movie) like characters, cars, action scenes, soundtracks, funny moments etc...

I will try to ask questions where the answer shouldn't be too obvious. (I won't ask you "Which car do you prefer: Aston Martin DB5 or BMW 750iL"...) If there are enough interested members, I will ask two new questions every week and I will make a summary of all results on the first page.

You can simply answer by only writing the component you prefer. But feel free to explain your decision in a few sentences if you want.



First round with two questions about CR:

A) Which character do you prefer in CR : Felix Leiter vs René Mathis

B) Which CR scene is emotinally more touching: shower scene vs death of Vesper

Results:
Mathis (CR) vs. Leiter (CR): Mathis wins 13:2
Emotional more touching: Death of Vesper vs. Shower scene: Death of Vesper wins 9:6
Ourumov vs. Orlov: Ourumov wins 7:6
Gorilla suit vs. Tarzan yell: Gorilla suit is less annoying in OP: 12:2
Fiona Volpe vs. Xenia Onatopp: Fiona wins easily 14 : 3
Electric chair vs. Piranhas: 10 : 7 for the chair
Bernard Lee vs. Judi Dench: Bernard Lee wins easily 22 : 3
Elevator fight DAF vs. SP Train fight: Train fight wins 14 : 11
Gert Fröbe wins against Robert Davi: 15 : 10
Iconic GF scenes: Laser Scene beats golden girl 13: 12
Columbo wins against Quarrel: 10 : 8
Pheasant shoot (MR) destroys the clay-pigeon (TB): 11 : 7
OHMSS Blofeld wins against Faceless one: 12 : 10
Oil rig vs. London finale in SP: 11 : 11
Pam wins against Lupe: 14 : 7
Killing Locque is more satisfying as Killifer's fate: 15 : 6
Aerial shots: Kobe rooftop wins easily against Welcome to Miami: 16 : 4
Brief but stylish Brosnan moments: Waiting in the hotel room (TND) wins against tie adjusting (GE): 12 : 8
Visually fascinating SF scenes: Shanghai wins 14 : 4 against burning Skyfall
Silva’s entrances: Rat speech wins even 16 : 2 against the helicopter arrival.
OHMSS:Barn scene beats the montage 10 : 5
OHMSS:Avalanche scene wins against the bobsleigh action 8 : 6
Corinne's death has only one vote more compared to 009's fate: 10 : 9
Zorin shoots his mine workers beats Goldfinger gases the mafiosi: 12: 7
First vs. last 30 seconds of QoS doesn't have a winner: 8 : 8
Water shortage wins against "make it count": 9 : 7
Pushkin scene wins against Koskov's defection: 12 : 6
Salt corrosion (TLD) vs. Double blow out (GF): 9 : 9
Garrotte watch wins against the poison tipped shoe knife: 7 : 6
FRWL Moneypenny Scenes: Lektor/love talk wins easily against Reviewing an old case: 11 : 2
Better title: TWINE wins 13:6 against GE
Better first hour: TND wins 14:5 against DAD
Snake in the hotel wins against spider in the hotel: 9 : 7
Dinner with Dr. No is favoured over Dinner with Scaramanga: 13 : 3
Two very easy wins: Tibbett wins against Kincade 16: 3
LALD poster wins against AVTAK poster: 16 : 3
Scary Jaws: Pyramids win against the giant clown 11:2
Brief moments: Silhouette in Cairo wins against the sudden stop of the Bond theme on the Liparus 9:4
Sex/Love Scene: Lucia wins against Severine: 9 : 7
Song and title sequence: DAD wins against WOTW (SP): 11 : 5
The sinking of St. Georges (FYEO) wins against Devonshire (TND) 9 : 4
Bond surrounded by crocodiles (LALD) wins against the sharks in the pool (TB) 9 : 4
Fiennes/M is more welcomed to return in NTTD as Harris/Moneypenny: 10 : 3
The Q scene from GE wins against the National Gallery (Q) scene in SF: 8 : 5
Old school spying in DN/FRWL: Hotel room scenes win against airport Scenes: 5 : 4
Grant scenes: Trainstation (killing and replacing Nash) wins against PTS: 7 : 2
Fields should have got more screen time in QoS compared to Mr. White: 5:4
Style with red Flower: GF PTS wins against Bond on Elevator in DAF: 6:3
Car on rails and jumping on train (OP) wins against digger and jump in train (SF): 7:2
Roger Moore's train fights: Bond vs. Jaws wins 6:3 against Bond vs. Tee Hee
Moon/Graves introduction: London Calling beats Anger Therapist 8 : 2
Barry scores: A tie between "Bond averts WW3" (YOLT) and Golden Gate Fight (AVTAK): 5 : 5
J.W. Pepper (in the TMWTGG car chase) wins against Mrs. Bell: 9 : 6
Hotel upgrade (QoS) wins against first ride in DB5 (CR): 9 : 7
Gadget-free car chases with the Bondgirl behind the wheel: OHMSS wins easily against FYEO 11 : 4
Tracy enters the scene: Much love for skating rink compared to the casino appearance: 14: 1
Elimination of Mr. Solo gets one vote more than Taiwanese tycoon (AVTAK): 7: 6
FRWL is clearly preferred to TSWLM as movie title: 11 : 2
Henchmen with evil laughter/grin: Baron Samedi wins 7:2 against Dario
Derek Meddings’ model work: Liparus wins 7:2 against Severnaya crash
The torture scene in CR wins against the talk in the train 9:4
MI6 Headquarter in the water: Queen Elizabeth (TMWTGG) wins against submarine (YOLT) 9:4
"I think he got the point." wins against "Do you mind if my friend sits this one out? She's just dead.": 7:5
The cargo net fight beats the kitchen fight (TLD): 6:5
Bond's Apartment in DN wins against the one in LALD: 7 : 5
The Rome chase (SP) wins against the desert action (DAF): 9 : 3
Saunder's death wins against Aki's death: 10 : 4
Bond "fishes" Sanchez' plane wins against helicopter "fishes" the car with an electro magnet: 10 : 4
Pussy Galore vs. May Day (characer, not actress): 7 : 7
Less favoured snow action: TWINE wins against SP: 8 : 6
Authenticity/chemistry: Bond&Kara (Dalton&d'Abo) wins against Bond&Octopussy(Moore&Adams) : 10 : 9
PTS moments. "Out of the bank" (first part of TWINE) wins against "out of the weapons facility ("You can't win"; GE): 11 : 9
Wint & Kidd are the preferred henchmen duo (12 votes) compared to the Mischka & Grischka (only 4 votes)
Both PTS endings ("Shocking, positively shocking" vs. "Yes, considerably") get 8 votes.
Action with V8 Vantage wins against action with BMW 750 IL: 14 : 6
Jaws falling in love is slightly preferred to Blofeld in drag: 11 : 9
The bike jump (TND) and the boat jump (LALD) have the same amount of votes: 7 : 7
Badass moments of the parkour chase: Easy win for "catch the gun" against "trough the wall: 11 : 3
Tennyson (poem in SF) wins against Vivaldi (Lucia at home in SP): 9 : 7
Caroline Bliss in TLD vs. John Cleese in DAD has no winner: 8 : 8
More believable love story: Bond & Tracy wins very easily against Bond & Vesper: 14:2
Unusual bondgirl "Treatment": A tie (8 : 8) between "returning Sylvia" and "no sex with Camille".
“What a handsome craft. Such lovely lines.“ wins against “Keep the british end up, Sir.“ 9:5
Bond in the centrifuge (MR) beats Climbing in Greece (FYEO) by a heart beat. 8:7
Dalton's introduction moment wins against Lazenby's: 11 : 3
The GF countdown has no chance against the OP countdown: OP wins 13 : 1
Vijay is preferred to Sharkey and wins 8 : 4
Le Chiffre is weeping blood wins against the disfigured face of Silva: 8 : 4
Villain's vehicle “upgrade“: no winner between high-speed hydrofoil and “car plane“: 6:6
Breathing under water with car tyre, (AVTAK) wins against reeds (DN): 8:4
Sword-included fights: No winner between Bond against Chang vs. Bond against Graves at Blades: 5 : 5
Bond/Kerim scenes: Basilica cistern wins against Krilencu's assassination: 7 : 3
LALD: Hamilton and Strutter are visitors of their own funeral vs. Bond is tricked with a moving wall and moving floor: Moving wall/floor wins 9 : 4
LTK: Wavekrest mayhem wins against tanker chase: 9 : 4
The actors playing the baddies in GE win easily against the allies: 10 : 3
The tracking shot (SP) wins easily against thr location cards (QoS): 11 : 3
Hat toss wins against "Shaken, not stirred": 10 : 7
Ken Adam's Fort Knox set wins against his tarantula room: 9 : 8
Explosive milk bottles win against yo-yo saw: 8 : 6
Flight to Scaramanga's island wins very easily against Bond on th Chimera (on the way to Silva's island): 12 : 2
Enter a hotel: CR (Ocean Club) wins against DAD (Checking out and in): 8 : 3
Lotus jumps in the water wins easily against Lotus emerges from the sea: 9 :2





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Comments

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    These are very tough choices, @goldenswissroyale ... I love Mathis, but love Felix just as much for his cocky-swagger ("does it look like we need it?"), and for bailing out our man Bond (and pushing the story forward)... I can't choose which I prefer.

    And that goes for the shower scene vs death of Vesper. Both were equally as touching! Quite frankly, I will never forget my first few viewings of CR-- I couldn't believe we were getting such emotionally layered and charged scenes in a Bond film. I thought after OHMSS we would never see anything like that film's ending again... When I heard they were doing CR I always wondered what the ending would be, and I almost choked when I heard "the bitch is dead"...

    (I disqualify myself from this round, lol)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    Posts: 4,538
    A. Mathis. Whyle i prefer him in QOS, because i think he develop more what help previous movie.
    B. Shower scene.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    Mathis flows better in the film, vespers death. You saw her point of view when bond kills gettler
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    a) Mathis for me,a brilliant ally in CR.
    b) The death of Vesper in the lift,you can see the panic and desperation in her face as she realises she is drowning.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Mathis is a far more engaging and charismatic character than Leiter, and for the second question-the death of Vesper. It really is a disturbing scene.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,261
    Leiter, easily.

    The Shower scene
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,434
    A) Mathis
    B) Shower scene

    Easy choices for me
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    Mathis for sure. We develop an emotional bond with him throughout the course of the film that just isn't there with Leiter. Wright does a fine job with his part though.

    The Shower Scene. The death scene is a bit overdone imho and I've always felt that way. It's not bad, don't get me wrong, but I love how the shower scene is able to convey so much more with its simplicity. Plus, it's very moving and no one dies.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    A) Leiter. Mathis is a rather disposable character in my mind.

    B) Vesper’s Death.
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
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    I think I like Mathis a tiny bit more, only because this was the first we had seen of him, and we've seen Felix I don't know how many times. There both still great though.

    I prefer Vesper's death firstly because it's such a haunting moment, and secondly that moment changes Bond's character and his overall arc in the movie.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    A) Leiter. Mathis is a rather disposable character in my mind.

    B) Vesper’s Death.

    He was in QOS........................................literally.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,348
    A) Mathis is the more enigmatic figure, he's likeable but we don't know if he is on our side. Leiter for too long just goes along with the ride before he saves the day with U.S. money.

    B) That's a hard one, both are perfect. My wife loves the shower scene, Bond-Craig won her over with his behaviour towards Vesper then. I get goosebumps every time when Vesper drowns with her eyes open and screaming (even thinking of it does). So its the shower scene for me, for its simplicity and effectiveness, by the narrowest of margins.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    barryt007 wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    A) Leiter. Mathis is a rather disposable character in my mind.

    B) Vesper’s Death.

    He was in QOS........................................literally.

    At least he was recycled for that film.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    A) Leiter. Mathis is a rather disposable character in my mind.

    B) Vesper’s Death.

    He was in QOS........................................literally.

    At least he was recycled for that film.

    True...he is probably part of an aeroplane by now.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    Thanks for all of you who already voted and commented in this first round.
    My own vote: Mathis is an interesting and very likeable character. Giannini and Wright are both very charismatic and talented actors but I think the script gives Mathis more to do that sticks positively in mind. I would prefer another last scene for him in the movie (after the electric shocker).
    In my opinion, the shower scene is the most emotional scene in the bond movie history. Difficult to explain why, but it touches me every time I watch it. As others said above: its simplicity and effectiveness is extraordinary.

    Mathis seems to win easier than I thought. But the other duel between the shower scene and the death of Vesper isn't decided at all. Tie,
    6:6 right now. Any other voters?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited September 2019 Posts: 41,011
    Sorry for the delay. Great thread, this.

    A) Which character do you prefer in CR : Felix Leiter vs René Mathis?

    I'd have to go with Mathis, considering how integral he is to the proceedings and that Leiter isn't terribly fleshed out in the few moments he has on screen.

    B) Which CR scene is emotionally more touching: shower scene vs death of Vesper?

    The death of Vesper. I'm not all that crazy about the shower sequence - it's fine, but nothing on the level of Bond's distraught rage and sadness once he fails to save Vesper.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    barryt007 wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    A) Leiter. Mathis is a rather disposable character in my mind.

    B) Vesper’s Death.

    He was in QOS........................................literally.

    =)) The thought had occurred to me as I was typing it.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,262
    A) René Mathis, my favorite ally of the entire Craig era. Reminiscent of Draco and Kerim.

    B) Death of Vesper
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
    Posts: 2,426
    A) Which character do you prefer in CR : René Mathis - both great actors playing the part, but Mathis has the bigger role in the story

    B) Which CR scene is emotinally more touching: death of Vesper -
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490

    Mathis (CR) vs. Leiter (CR): Mathis wins easily 13 : 2
    Death of Vesper beats the shower scene 9 :6

    Round 2:

    A) Which villainous General do you prefer? General Orlov (OP) vs. General Ourumov (GE)

    B) Which OP scene do you prefer (or in other words: is less annoying?) Bond hiding in a gorilla suit vs. Bond and the Tarzan yell
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    Love them both but, Ourumov felt like an organic throwback to the past (instead of a caricature), and had depth and realism to his portrayal.

    Gorilla suit.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    A) General Ourumov.

    B) I actually love the gorilla suit.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Birdleson wrote: »
    A) Orlov! I love them both, but Berkoff aa Orlov is a highlight of the series.

    B) They both suck, but I guess I have to keep the Gorilla Suit.

    I will echo this.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,348
    A) I prefer Ouromov, he does not seem to be in charge in times, but he is overall a much more fun character than Orlov.

    B) The gorilla suit is OK, the Tarzan yell ranks at the bottom with the surfing scene in DAD.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    Posts: 4,538
    A. General Ourumov
    B. Gorilla suit
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
    Posts: 2,426
    A) Which villainous General do you prefer? General Orlov (OP) - ineptly likeable

    B) Which OP scene do you prefer (or in other words: is less annoying?) Bond hiding in a gorilla suit - Nothing to dislike in OP as far as I’m concerned, but the gorilla costume always raises a giggle in my cage
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    Nice to read some positive words about these OP scenes. You seem to be a funny bird @Max_The_Parrot
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
    Posts: 2,426
    @goldenswissroyale aww thanks, give us a kiss! ☺️🥜

    PS I do have a soft spot for Octopussy, always thought it a great ‘rainy Sunday afternoon’ movie.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    A) An agonizing choice here, as I really enjoy both, but in a pinch I'm going with Orlov. It's the more memorable
    performance of the two, although both are perfectly suited to their particular films. They are both traitors who meet their end on or near a train. I saw and loved OP before GE so that was my tiebreaker.

    B) Going with the Gorilla suit. Don't get me started on how Bond gets in and out of it without anyone noticing though. At least it has a purpose, providing Bond with a place to hide. The Tarzan yell only lasts a couple of seconds, but is the more painful experience.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    I'm surprised that all of the votes are for the ape so far. The Tarzan yell seems to be (one of) the most annoying sound(s) of the franchise.
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