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In this match up I'll go for the Lektor talk. It's such a unique moment in the early Bond adventures. The line about M and Bond in Tokyo is classic. Moneypenny's subtle look to M when she hears tatiana ask Bond 'will you make love to me in England' and he replies 'day and night' is great fun. As another observation this clip contains one of my favourite combination of Bond entering and exiting a meeting with M in the series. 'For my next miracle' and awkward silence that follows as well as the flirting with Moneypenny on the way out and signing the title of the film on the photo of Tatiana. (I'll also say that TB has a couple of cracker scenes too - like when Moneypenny gets busted talking about 'the old man' and bond says 'I swear I had a hat when I came in...)
Two iconic villainous gadgets...ill go with poison tipped shoe knife it takes care of kronsteen in memorable fashion with the old switcheroo where you think morzeny is going to execute Klebb and then goes in the other direction. Of course Klebb wearing it in a maid's uniform while bond holds her off with a chair in a Venice hotel is a surrealistically unforgettable sequence (so suspense fully done in the novel as well with the cliffhanger ending).
FRWL is a timeless wonder.
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Lektor/Love talk
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Lektor/Love talk
Agreed. FWRL is a timeless classic.
I will go with Lektor talk easily.... the VO work is fun, MP's reaction very rich....
The watch sticked in my mind even more. SC was killed with this watch in the PTS! And later, the same watch is used by Bond to kill its owner. Great and brutal death after a fantastic fight.
The watch gets my vote.
And the lektor/love talk. The bit with “day and night“, all the men listening, M stopping the tape AND Moneypenny's great performance that doesn't need words there. Great and one of the funniest scenes of the series.
To be fair: The scenes with Moneypenny in the beginning of FRWL are splendid, too. Bond's introduction, the old case and the discussion about how much time he needs to be back in the office...This could even be another top ten scene from the movie...which is crazy, because FRWL is full great moments and characters. The scene was (imo successfully) copied in TLD and in TND.
Have to go with the watch. Grant is so smooth with it, while the shoe felt a bit clunky. However, I like Klebb's energy as she comes off as a desperate psychotic much like Greene swinging that axe.
For my next miracle, I'm going with Reviewing an Old Case. I love everything about this from the return of Trench, Bond being put in his place by M and the flirtations with Moneypenny. The other scene is amusing but just can't compare in my opinion.
With that last vote, we have a winning gadget:
Garrotte watch wins against the poison tipped shoe knife: 7 : 6
FRWL Moneypenny Scenes: Lektor/love talk wins easily against Reviewing an old case: 11 : 2
At least a second vote for the first Moneypenny scenes (I'm sure, that these scenes would win against most of the Moneypenny Scenes in the other movies).
No Time to Die is another title with "Die" in it. Brosnan had even two such titles...and two others.
A) Which Bond movie title do you prefer (don't vote for the movie itself, only for the better title): "GoldenEye" vs. "The World Is Not Enough"
It is often discussed that the second part of DAD is (one of) the weakest parts of Bond history. But how good is the first hour compared to others?
B) Which first 60 minutes* do you prefer: TND vs. DAD
*I checked it on my old DVDs:
60 minutes of TND end right before Bond is seen on the US-air force base in Okinawa:PTS/Titles with double torture (Bond is tortured and our ears)/ship destruction/Inga Bergstrom/Briefing in car/Q and the BMW/Hamburg Party/Urgent call/infiltration of news paper factory/Paris and Kaufmann killed/BMW action
60 minutes of DAD end right before the virtual gunfight: PTS/Titles/exchange with Zao/Hong Kong Hotel/Havana with Jinx in Bikini/Los Organos/London Calling/Fencing battle/in the underground with M
Both are good titles. I'm partial to Goldeneye.
DAD
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Tomorrow Never Dies
Choosing the title was easy. The first 60 minutes was difficult.
Tomorrow Never Dies over Die Another Day
DAD almost won that round for me. But then I recalled the surfing PTS and Jinx. A character I despise with a passion.
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Tomorrow Never Dies
TND
Both the second two movies are about equal to me, but the BMW car park scene always puts a big smile on my face, as does Q introducing the car beforehand so I’ll go for TND
For first half, I'll take TND all the way as it's my personal favorite of the Brosnan films. But I'll have to admit that DAD has its moments as well.
TND
(both DAD and TND have superior first halves compared to their seconds, but TND's is stronger)
TND- the first half of both films are the best part about them, but TND is such an enjoyable romp of a first half that it is hard to go past it.
TND
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I prefer DAD's first 60 mins.
Oh, and I'll take the first half of TND anyday, but DAD's strongest moments are definitely in the first half. The Brosnan era got off to a rollicking start with GE and the first half of TND, but then it took a nosedive and never fully recovered imho.
may I ask if it is the finale on the ship you dislike or already the parts before?
Because the HALOjump, diving, banner scene and bike action are maybe a bit too action loaded but in my opinion very entertaining. There is definitely a lot to like in the first half of DAD, i.e. I prefer the fencing battle to every action scene in TND.
@goldenswissroyale, I have come to really appreciate your point of view and I can respect your enjoyment of the second half of TND. Thank you again for creating this thread. It has been great to read everyone's comments and gain some knowledge and perspective from my fellow diehards.
Secondly, like too many titles with die/dies, we'd already had Goldfinger and The Man with the Golden Gun, so GoldenEye is just another variation on that trend. And if you factor in we've had For Your Eyes Only, it combines 2 already used titles. I know, I'm stretching. Tomorrow Never Dies also contains 2 words in other titles as well.
Nope, but there is a Goldeneye Duck ... which is perhaps less flattering than a hawk!
For me the TND finale is my least favourite of the Brosnan era - even DAD's insane clmax works better for me. The halo jump and banner ripping stunt are good, albeit brief. But I'm not a big fan of the motorbike sequence or arbitrary Yeoh kicking ass moment. TND isn't a favourite of mine. if ranks in bottom third Bonds easily. The first half has the better moments - Bond, M, Moneypenny scene in the back of the car, the punch up in soundbooth, the Kaufman sequence, the BMW chase is fun. Even though it has Paris Carver who I don't enjoy.