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As for Caroline Bliss I find her instantly forgettable and I have no wish to listen to her Barry Manilow collection, whereas there’s something likeable about Cleese in a ‘he’s not Desmond but he’ll do’ kind of way.
Unfortunately Caroline Bliss didn't really have that much of an opportunity to shine as Moneypenny. Given Cleese is one of the highlights of DAD, I'll have to go with Cleese. I feel bad he only got one film as he had the makings of a great Q.
I can see you're a person of great taste. :P
I do
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I don't know the singer but I would definitely listen to her collection when she would have invited me.
Honestly, I don't understand the meaning of M's poetry lesson and as some mentioned, her speech wouldn't be the most realistic reaction. Anyway, the scene works very good to increase the drama. The build up to the shootout is much better than the action that follows.
The Vivaldi moment is a great combination of music and picture. Definitely a standout scene from the Craig era. It is fascinating how classical music works so well in many movies, regardless of the genre.
I like Bliss in TLD. (I would have liked her in LTK but her appearance sadly is the shortest Moneypenny scene of the series.) I don't like the part where Bond places her glasses back on her nose. But the rest of the Bond-Moneypenny interaction is good stuff. Bliss seems to be a very likeable person
Cleese gets my vote because I like his humour in DAD (I don't like him in TWINE). He is my least favourite Eon Q (ignoring Boothroyd from DN) but I would have loved to see him once more for a fifth movie.
Cliss over Bleese, please .. er .. Bliss over Cleese
Tennyson (poem in SF) wins against Vivaldi (Lucia at home in SP): 9 : 7
Caroline Bliss in TLD vs. John Cleese in DAD has no winner: 8 : 8
Round 42:
Which love story is more believable? Bond & Tracy vs. Bond & Vesper
Think about the acting but also about dialogues and moments they spend together etc.
Which "unusual bondgirl treatment" do you prefer/was the better screenplay decision? twice the same(Sylvia Trench was back as first love interest in FRWL) vs. no sex (Bond doesn't have sex with Camille, the main bondgirl (!), in QOS)
I hated that Bond never had sex with Camille--it made no sense as this is not a Gala Brand situation and Bond does sleep with Fields in the same film--so I'll vote for Trench returns.
Same.
However the love story between Bond and Tracy is the more believable and romantic. Tracy turning up in Switzerland, saving Bond from Spectre, and the proposal of marriage in the barn seals the deal for me. Never has a Bond film given Bond and his leading lady such a romantic scene. Well played by both Lazenby and Rigg. And then of course the heart breaking ending too OHMSS.
As too the second match, Sylvia wins for me. Quite easily. I like the character of Camille. However she's not really a Bond girl, more of an ally who's female. I get why, and the character works for QOS.
Sylvia is an interesting character, who I would've liked to see continue in the series as planned (
Camille wins the second match-up. Bond taking the time to seduce Fields makes sense, but I just don't see the point in having him shag Camille just for the sake of it. These two were, to use Greene's words, damaged goods; they were too focused on their missions to stop and have a good time with each other.
Sylvia Trench gets my second vote.
It never really registered whether Camille had sex with Bond or not, I do tend to fall asleep near the end of QOS though, I really should drink coffee when watching. Sylvia I quite like in a novelty ‘oh look, she was in the other film as well, I wonder what’s in the hamper, wow he’s got a car phone’ way, so I’m going to go with her.
Tune in next week for more in-depth Bond commentary and analysis from the parrot cage 👍🤞
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Sylvia Trench. If Camille was meant to only be a platonic female ally then to emphasize that aspect they shouldn't have had Bond kiss her at the end IMHO. Sylvia's a much more delightful character anyway and her return in FRWL is a welcome one.
I'd posit that Dalton Bond/d'Abo Kara tops both Mr. & Mrs. Lazenby Bond and Craig Bond/Vesper.
Second one is harder because I really like the Camille character and I love Olga Kurylenko as an actor. In a contest against almost anyone else I would have voted for Camille. But you put her in a contest against Sylvia, you villain!
So I vote for Sylvia. I hope she dumped the useless and unreliable James Bond while he was swanning off in Istanbul, and that she found herself someone better.
Second one would be Camille for me.
Camille. By far.
Round 42:
Which love story is more believable? Bond & Tracy vs. Bond & Vesper
Think about the acting but also about dialogues and moments they spend together etc.
Which "unusual bondgirl treatment" do you prefer/was the better screenplay decision? twice the same(Sylvia Trench was back as first love interest in FRWL) vs. no sex (Bond doesn't have sex with Camille, the main bondgirl (!), in QOS)
However, I have to admit that Lazenby doesn't sell it as good as Craig does. Green and Rigg are awesome and great actresses. I like both love stories but surprisingly the dramatic ending in OHMSS never touches me while I feel sad for Vesper. I'm not sure why I feel this way but this is why I vote for Bond & Vesper.
I like Camille and it might be that the "no shagging today-ending" suits the characters but it is another reason why QoS doesn't have a bondian feeling often enough. (I still like the film but a few more moments using the bond formula would work better for me).
I'm happy that we usually don't have recurring bondgirls and it's fine that she wasn't back in GF but every second of Sylvia Trench in DN and FRWL is a delight for my eyes and I like the dialogues between her and Bond. Hence, an eays win for twice the same, Sylvia.
I apologize, @Max_The_Parrot, that this round wasn't your taste, I'll try to come up with something Roger focused next week.
Ahhhh not for the first time the parrot has not paid enough attention, but for the wrong reasons my vote was still the right one, I don’t mind the twice the same idea, in fact in the Bond universe it’s quite a welcome novelty, and am looking forward to see how Madeleine fairs in NTTD. I would have loved to see the nearly Anya Amasova return as well, and I enjoy the ‘twice/thrice the same actor’-iness of Maud as well.
PS Am i the only Bond fan who simply cannot say Maud without doing a ‘Roger impersonates a Randy Herve‘ voice?
PPS Don’t worry I enjoy every one of your challenges, I look forward to it every week, although I admit I’m always in the mood for more Moore! ☺️
No sex. It finally got rid of that tradition of all the Bond girls have to sleep with Bond. I don't have a problem if they do or don't, however I found that sometimes Bond sleeps with his women because that's the formula rather than having any real chemistry (FYEO and TND come to mind). I'm not a fan of the kiss with Camille however. Also, with Madeline Swann coming back I think it takes the shine off of Sylvia Trench's return. I think it is really sweet she did return, however I would prefer if main girls come back.
That could be a controversial opinion.
I wouldn't go that far...but I would say that the pure acting chemistry is perhaps strongest between Dalton and d'Abo, or Craig and Green. It's just that OHMSS is so strong on the page, and of course, Dame Rigg could read the proverbial phone book and be mesmerizing.
While Bond/Tracy and Bond/Vesper are the two clear choices here, an argument can be made for Bond and Kara from “The Living Daylights.” I really like how her naivety balances off with Dalton’s more world-weary approach to the character. And, of course, I have this thing for Maryam d'Abo….. 😊.
But for the given choices, I’m going to go with Bond and Tracy. For all of the criticism that Lazenby’s acting takes (deservedly so, in some cases), I think he plays this scene with an appropriate balance of decisiveness and vulnerability (watch his eyes). And it happens to be one of my favorites.
As for the second topic, I’ll go old school and vote for Sylvia.
A good question for you folks:
You can program four Bond movies for a valentines day marathon. Other than OHMSS and CR, what two other titles would you pick?
TLD(for Dalton Bond/Kara) and OP(for Moore Bond/Octopussy).