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Weekly Bond Poll: Round 59: secondary Bond girls & helicopter flights

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  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    Please don't ban me from the forum: I prefer Judi Dench. She is a fantastic actress and she has some really great lines. It is true that she gets almost too much to do. Bernard Lee is good, no doubt, but I missed Dench much more in SP than Lee in FYEO. Furthermore, I grew up with the 90sBonds which could also help to give the point to the Dame.

    The Train Fight wins imo. Both are highlights of the two films but the train fight is more impressive with Craig in real danger. Maybe the only scene (apart from the PTS) where I really love it when Newmans score kicks in.

    Why would anyone ban you for expressing your perfectly valid opinion?
    For me, Bernard Lee just barely outpaces Judi Dench. They’re the definitive Ms as far as I’m concerned (no offense to Robert Brown or Ralph Fiennes, who were/are great Ms).

    And I pick the train fight from SP. I recently watched DAF so the elevator fight is fresh in my mind, and it’s damn good but no as good as SP’s.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Thunderball wrote: »
    Why would anyone ban you for expressing your perfectly valid opinion?
    Right, I fully endorse this. Judi was great as M, and the train fight is also one of the better fights of the franchise. Still I think that just barely, Bernard Lee simply embodies the classical M a bit more than Judi Dench, and what bothers me about this particular train fight is that it's yet another train fight which IMO doesn't do much to improve on the earlier ones, and especially raises the question of "Where the hell have all the other train passengers gone?" Granted in turn, the fire extinguisher bit about the DAF elevator fight is a low point as well. Anyway, to each his/her own.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    I have to go with Bernard Lee, although Dench was great in the role as well.

    The next one is close, but I'll go with the Train Fight.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Bernard Lee, without question.

    And
    The Train fight knocks seven bells out of the lift scrap!
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited October 2019 Posts: 4,490
    5 points in a row for the train fight! I like it.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited October 2019 Posts: 13,940
    Bernard Lee.

    Train fight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfSRsmrsV_g

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBs-jEQaQvM
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Results of round 4:
    Bernard Lee wins easily against Judi Dench
    22 : 3.
    Only nice words for Judi but Bernie seems to be the definition of perfection.
    The elevator fight got more votes for a long time but in the end it is the Train fight that gets the golden fist: 14 : 11
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited October 2019 Posts: 4,490
    Round 5:

    A) Which actor was the better choice for the villain? (Or in other words: Which one was perfect for his villainous part?)
    Gert Fröbe as Goldfinger vs. Robert Davi as Franz Sanchez

    B) Which iconic GF scene do you prefer? Golden girl (Jill Masterson's death) vs. Laser scene ("I expect you to die")


  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Gert Frobe
    Golden Girl; both great scenes but Golden Girl is accurate Fleming.
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
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    It’s a clean sweep so far ... I have to agree with Gert Frobe and Golden Girl.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    All four are amazing choices. I will go with:
    Gert Frobe (but I seriously love the three dimensional realism Davi brought to his role; he elevated Dalton's performance and the two played so well off each other)
    Golden Girl (both scenes were shocking to me when I was a child (and still effects that side of me to this day); the Golden Girl was a terrifying death and the image striking and; the laser scene shows Bond on the wrong side of the table-- literally. You could sense Connery's desperation as he tries to bluff his way out of this situation).
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Easily Robert Davi and laser scene
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
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    Robert Davi
    Golden Girl
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
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    The first one is close. I might have to give it to Robert Davi, simply because Gert Frobe is not giving the voice. Sanchez is perhaps a top 5 villain for me and Goldfinger is usually there or thereabouts.
    The laser scene is iconic, and is a line that everyone knows, regardless whether they've seen a Bond film or not. Regardless of the famous line, the tension, music, and acting are all fantastic, and is still an edge of your seat moment no matter how many times you watch Goldfinger.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Woah, tough choice on the first one. Robert Davi is a brilliant, brilliant villain in LTK. Easily one of the series best. However Gert Frobe IS the villain by which all others are measured. It's a stunning performance. Totally villainous, though in polite society you wouldn't think he's a madman and so evil. Yes, he's not a person you might like, but he doesn't exude an evil side outside of his own scheme. Frobe plays the part so well, with so much depth and character, it's no wonder he's so beloved.
    As to the second pairing, the golden girl scene is shocking and memorable. But for me the laser table is the more hard hitting. We have Bond in a situation with seemingly no way out. The laser inching closer to castrating OO7. The only way out is for Bond to plead with Goldfinger to think about the situation with logic and take a chance.
    And of course we get the unforgettable lines of dialogue.

    Gert Frobe
    &
    Laser scene

    For me.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Gert Frobe

    Laser scene
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Gert Fröbe
    Golden Girl
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Robert Davi
    Golden Girl
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Robert Davi
    Golden Girl. Whyle i was a bigger fan of her sister.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm going for Gert and the iconic Laser scene.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    Gert Fröbe was perfect and iconic, so my vote for him. Still, I think Davi is one of the best things about LTK.
    The laser scene with the quip "No, I expect you to die" is a highlight of the entire series.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Robert Davi
    And
    Golden girl.
  • BT3366BT3366
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    Can I cheat or have a pardon and give a point to each?

    I've long thought Frobe to be the best villain in the series - smart, arrogant, calculating, evil and looking non-threatening but immensely dangerous at once and an imaginative master plan. His verbal sparring with Bond is one of the series' highlights.

    Davi is still vastly underrated as a villain, likely due to LTK's perception as one of the lesser films and a Miami Vice clone and he's merely a drug dealer. He's actually deeper than the numerous cookie-cutter megalomaniacs, and Davi's relationship with Dalton's Bond is a hell of a lot more interesting than Bond's to Blofeld, any variation of that character. That relationship is a highlight of LTK.

    Although I still don't appreciate GF as much as I should, there's no denying it's full of iconic images and those two scenes are among the top. The golden girl is the focus of the entire marketing campaign. I can only imagine seeing that and the shock when it was released.

    The laser table really hasn't got any right to work as well as it does. It's a Perils of Pauline cliffhanger, but Dehn, Maibaum, Hamilton, Connery and Frobe make it work better than it should.

    It's a great example of Bond as a character not having a handy gadget to escape, but using his wits to survive. We don't see Bond's fear much and this adds to our concern for him as a character. It's top-notch suspense and also a chance for Frobe and Connery to shine. My vote for the best suspense scene in the series.

    Unless the mods will allow my above suggestion, I'll have to go with Frobe and laser table.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    While Gert Fröbe is unquestionably iconic, it’s Robert Davi who feels the most ‘real’ and ‘dangerous’ of all the Bond villains.

    The laser scene is strong, but the golden girl is my favourite scene of the film. That music cue, that iconic image, that’s classic Bond at its best.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Gert Frobe by the slimmest of margins. In fact if you incorporate a deleted scene from LTK, I might have given it to Davi. The scene where Dalton is in his apartment and sees Sanchez on tv in full celebrity status, Davi just owns the portrayal there. But as it's not part of the final film, I give it ever so slightly to Gert who is just impeccable.

    Have to go with the Laser scene. Besides "Bond, James Bond" and "Shaken not Stirred", "No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!" has to be the most iconic line in the history of the franchise.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Fröbe (Davi is great, but there's no competition to Gert in the entire series) and the Laser scene.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    I slightly prefer Davi. Sanchez is a pretty intimidating villain. I always thought it was interesting that he prized loyalty above business. For a lot of other villains, it'd usually be the opposite.

    Laser scene, barely. Not because of the iconic line, but because Bond has to talk his way out of or he's dead, as opposed to using a gadget or something.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,870
    Gret Frobe. Anyone that can figure into a musical moment on the Frasier TV show is ok with me.


    Laser Scene. Both are iconic. Come back tomorrow and I could easily change my mind.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Gert Frobe, easily. One of the best villains of the series.

    The second decision is much more tough, as they're both insanely iconic moments of the series. I think I'll have to go with the laser scene, the intensity is at a real high and the set is magnificent. It's no knock on the golden girl bit, though, as that's easily just as classic.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    Can I cheat or have a pardon and give a point to each?

    I've long thought Frobe to be the best villain in the series - smart, arrogant, calculating, evil and looking non-threatening but immensely dangerous at once and an imaginative master plan. His verbal sparring with Bond is one of the series' highlights.

    Davi is still vastly underrated as a villain, likely due to LTK's perception as one of the lesser films and a Miami Vice clone and he's merely a drug dealer. He's actually deeper than the numerous cookie-cutter megalomaniacs, and Davi's relationship with Dalton's Bond is a hell of a lot more interesting than Bond's to Blofeld, any variation of that character. That relationship is a highlight of LTK.

    Although I still don't appreciate GF as much as I should, there's no denying it's full of iconic images and those two scenes are among the top. The golden girl is the focus of the entire marketing campaign. I can only imagine seeing that and the shock when it was released.

    The laser table really hasn't got any right to work as well as it does. It's a Perils of Pauline cliffhanger, but Dehn, Maibaum, Hamilton, Connery and Frobe make it work better than it should.

    It's a great example of Bond as a character not having a handy gadget to escape, but using his wits to survive. We don't see Bond's fear much and this adds to our concern for him as a character. It's top-notch suspense and also a chance for Frobe and Connery to shine. My vote for the best suspense scene in the series.

    Unless the mods will allow my above suggestion, I'll have to go with Frobe and laser table.

    You can have a pardon and you will get a point for all four, exceptionally. I like your thoughts, by the way.
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