Weekly Bond Poll: Round 59: secondary Bond girls & helicopter flights

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Savalas, but both are terrific, the best.

    London, but both are cringeworthy.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,870
    Blofeld in OHMSS. Both versions of Blofeld are iconic.

    Oil Rig in DAF. Neither really moves the needle for me, but DAF will get my vote. Barry’s score, the witty dialogue and Jill St. John’s bikini being the deciding factors 😊!
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,490
    Two great Blofelds and two (very) weak end confronations: That was very close!
    Last votes would be accepted until I start the next round in some hours. Otherwise we have a lucky winner and the first tie:
    OHMSS Blofeld wins against Faceless one: 12 : 10
    Oil rig vs. London finale in SP: 11 : 11
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Round 8:

    A) With which Bondgirl would you jump in the pool after the successful mission? Pam Bouvier vs. Lupe Lamora

    B) Which revengeful killing do you prefer? Bond kills Locque vs. Bond kills Killifer

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,086
    Pam (for me one of the best and most underrated Bond girls).
    The killing of Locque (definitely more iconic than the other).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Lupe

    I like 'em both, don't get me wrong. But Lupe brings some exotic qualities that I find hard to resist.

    Locque
    I'm never truly invested in Luigi, but the poor fella didn't do any harm. Neither did Della, I get that, so it's another tough choice, this. But still, the way Moore does it feels more earned versus pushing the button at Krest's.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Lupe. More exotic.

    and

    Killifer. Suits Dalton Bond better than Moore Bond IMHO.
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
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    Lupe - not a fan of either I’m afraid, but I find Lupe more interesting.

    Locque - great moment for Roger, and a really well shot scene. Although Roger wasn’t keen on the kick it’s totally believable and has real impact.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Lupe is definitely more exotic, but Pam has curves in all the right places, so Pam for the win.

    Most definitely the death of Locque.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Pam Bouvier all day, all night and twice on Sundays.

    I slightly prefer the killing of Locque.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Pam Bouvier all day, all night and twice on Sundays.

    ;)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,538
    Round 8:

    A) With which Bondgirl would you jump in the pool after the successful mission? Pam Bouvier
    (But real anser is Ana de Armas or Rosamund Pike of course, but i should watch out those dominated girls use water gun on me. ... 8-} )

    B) Which revengeful killing do you prefer? Bond kills Locque
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Pam and Locque.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Pam by a mile. One of my top 3 Bond girls.

    Bond kills Killifer. The Locque revenge is very satisfying and badass, but nowhere near as personal as the revenge on Killifer.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I'm going to go with Pam over Lupe. Both are stunning, but I prefer the character of Pam.
    Locque over Killifer. Whilst Killifer is a true nasty piece of work, selling out Leiter for $2million. Locque is that silent and refined villain, who I love to see in movies. Rarely getting his hands dirty, as his associates do his bidding. His comeuppance with Bond kicking his car off the cliff is truly satisfying.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'll go with Pam - Lupe is more beautiful, in my opinion, but Pam is much more capable and helpful in terms of Bond's mission for revenge and cutting down the cartel.

    And Locque, easily. Killifer is a nice scenery chewing henchman, but damn, if Locque's stoic, silent personality isn't great and his death scene (and that entire action sequence as a whole) is one of my favorite moments in the series.
  • I'm more about character and the damsel in distress is boring, so Pam all the way. She's honestly the only "equal" that actually is believable.

    While the Killifer scene is good (and on paper, I'd say i'ts better), there's just something more satisfying about the Locque scene. There's just more tension in the scene. (Perhaps as Locque gets more screentime leading up to the event?)
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited November 2019 Posts: 2,722
    Pam for sure. In every category.

    And Locque's death.

    The Locque death is so iconic among Bond fans for a reason. It's one moment when Conti's score comes to the party. Really escalates the tension. It is Roger's most lethal moment in the series and fits with the character of Bond because I could imagine every actor who has performed the role do this scene. While the kilifer death is well done and Dalton is in great form I think it doesn't have the impact of Locque's death. He's been a fly in the ointment for bond for a long time. Has killed two of Bond's allies (Even though think the Countess meant more to Bond than Luigi ever did!) and the preceding build up to the death is substantial - a warehouse raid and the run up the stairs.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The Locque death is so iconic among Bond fans for a reason. It's one moment when Conti's score comes to the party. Really escalates the tension. It is Roger's most lethal moment in the series and fits with the character of Bond because I could imagine every actor who has performed the role do this scene. While the kilifer death is well done and Dalton is in great form I think it doesn't have the impact of Locque's death. He's been a fly in the ointment for bond for a long time. Has killed two of Bond's allies (Even though think the Countess meant more to Bond than Luigi ever did!) and the preceding build up to the death is substantial - a warehouse raid and the run up the stairs.

    As if I should have said so myself

    And I would join Lupe in the pool.
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    What? I meant Pam. Pam!
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited November 2019 Posts: 7,314
    To be blunt, Lupe for one night. She's just so incredibly sexy. I'd pick Pam if we were talking about a long term situation though.

    The killing of Locque is one of Roger's finest moments and one of the best in the series, if I may be so bold. Killifer's death scene is good and Dalton plays it perfectly, but it just couldn't have the same impact. We have been through a lot with Locque at that point in the film and he has tried to kill Bond multiple times. It's just so damn satisfying to see Bond kick that SOB off the cliff!
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    Neither of the LTK women are very satisfying characters for me although I like the film. That said, Lupe is one of the least interesting and most annoying Bond women, not to mention worst acted. His obsession with her was the first step in Sanchez's downfall. The annoying aspects to the character take away from any attraction for me.

    Pam is a pretty well-defined character except for the jealousy aspects that just don't add anything. Maybe they should've had her turn to another man to get to Bond. This is one area where Maibaum's touch could've helped round the film out more.

    So I go with Pam.

    I will easily go with the Loque death. He's a much more interesting silent Red Grant variation than Kreigler's Oddjob (FYEO borrows a ton from previous films). He's much more complicit in the deaths of others and is a professional killer rather than a turncoat, which makes his death more satisfying

    Add in that Moore's Bond having such a vendetta against an enemy is different and more effective as we get much more of his lighter side, it always was. Dalton was always seen as a cold type, so this was hardly out of character. For me, it's always much more interesting to see Moore play tougher than, say, watch Dalton try to do humor.

    I'll add in "He had no head for heights" as understated and effective rather than a cheap joke and really brings it home vs. Sharkey's "What a waste" line, which was unnecessary.

    Lastly, I am really enjoying these poll questions. I usually don't contribute to these types of threads when they ask the usual questions, but some of these really make me think and it's a fun way to celebrate the series.
  • edited November 2019 Posts: 1,399
    I'll give this game a go!
    Lupe over Pam. Though this one is based on the looks dept. mostly ;)
    Killifer over Loque. His death was much more satisfying after his betrayal of Leiter. I liked Roger's disposal of Loque, but it didn't quite suit his Bond.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    The Locque death is so iconic among Bond fans for a reason. It's one moment when Conti's score comes to the party. Really escalates the tension. It is Roger's most lethal moment in the series and fits with the character of Bond because I could imagine every actor who has performed the role do this scene. While the kilifer death is well done and Dalton is in great form I think it doesn't have the impact of Locque's death. He's been a fly in the ointment for bond for a long time. Has killed two of Bond's allies (Even though think the Countess meant more to Bond than Luigi ever did!) and the preceding build up to the death is substantial - a warehouse raid and the run up the stairs.

    As if I should have said so myself

    And I would join Lupe in the pool.
    ltk_37_500.jpg
    What? I meant Pam. Pam!

    What did he promise you? His finger? Give her his thunderfinger!
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Pam – without question. Sorry about not voting for a fellow Brooklynite, but I’ve always found Talisa Soto’s Lupe to be a little too shallow for my tastes. Plus, I’ll admit that I have a thing for Carey Lowell.

    Locque. Iconic because its not what you expect Roger’s Bond to do…and Moore handles it superbly. A great and memorable moment in one of my favorite movies.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,490
    It seems that Locque will win easily. @Major_Boothroyd and @BT3366 Your comments for Locque's scene are interesting and quite convincing. Maybe you can even bring me on your side. I thought my vote will go to the shark's dinner but I have to sleep over it...


    For two seconds I wasn't sure for which girl your vote is intended to be @Thunderfinger , then I realized that Thunder is a funny finger.

  • I'm not crazy about the end of LTK but I'll go with Lupe who is really beautiful.
    I'll admit I did have to stop and think who Killifer was, but it is such a cold death and Dalton plays the rage so well (Locque's death is similar and I like it a lot, but getting eaten by sharks is a lot more brutal death).
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Pam
    Killifer
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited November 2019 Posts: 18,348
    royale65 wrote: »
    What an excellent idea for a thread @goldenswissroyale. Shame I've missed the first few opening rounds.

    Round 6:

    A) Quarrel

    I've always been a fan of the relationship between Bond and Quarrel in the novels, and it was most gratifying to see it translated so well to the silver screen.

    Quarrel is the quiet hero - how many black actors were represented that way, a courageous and charming manner, during the 60's? One could say that his fear of dragons, i.e. fear of the unknown, was a stock "black man trope" prevalent during that era. But, both Honey and Quarrel were should to be resilient and dare I say it, smart, of their knowledge of the natural world. The only thing one can say about both characters, is that they did not have a decent education. So it was only natural for them to fall prey to such superstitions.

    In my mind, Quarrel is an great character, played with enormous empathy and resoluteness by John Kitzmiller. (Kitzmiller sadly passed away in 1965 due "liver ailments, which I've just found out)

    B) Clay-pigeon shooting.

    I do enjoy the pheasant shooting*, but there's something so badass about uber-cool Connery Bond, tweaking the nose of Largo.

    (* is that a reference to Fleming's own aversion to blood sports, due you think? @Dragonpol, what do you think?)

    Sorry for the rather late reply, @royale65! Yes, I do indeed think that Bond's aversion to shooting pheasants in the film version of Moonraker could well be a reference to Fleming's own aversion to blood sports, including fox-hunting and shooting game. I've held that view since I got to know more about Fleming's own background and his presumably rather atypical views (for a man of his time and class anyhow) on blood sports.

    I was actually very interested in this subject matter around 2009-2010 and had planned an article at that time that sadly never came to fruition. There is an article I still intend to write on that subject however, focusing on a particular reading of one of the Fleming Bond short stories.

  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    royale65 wrote: »
    What an excellent idea for a thread @goldenswissroyale. Shame I've missed the first few opening rounds.

    Round 6:

    A) Quarrel

    I've always been a fan of the relationship between Bond and Quarrel in the novels, and it was most gratifying to see it translated so well to the silver screen.

    Quarrel is the quiet hero - how many black actors were represented that way, a courageous and charming manner, during the 60's? One could say that his fear of dragons, i.e. fear of the unknown, was a stock "black man trope" prevalent during that era. But, both Honey and Quarrel were should to be resilient and dare I say it, smart, of their knowledge of the natural world. The only thing one can say about both characters, is that they did not have a decent education. So it was only natural for them to fall prey to such superstitions.

    In my mind, Quarrel is an great character, played with enormous empathy and resoluteness by John Kitzmiller. (Kitzmiller sadly passed away in 1965 due "liver ailments, which I've just found out)

    B) Clay-pigeon shooting.

    I do enjoy the pheasant shooting*, but there's something so badass about uber-cool Connery Bond, tweaking the nose of Largo.

    (* is that a reference to Fleming's own aversion to blood sports, due you think? @Dragonpol, what do you think?)

    Sorry for the rather late reply, @royale65! Yes, I do indeed think that Bond's aversion to shooting pheasants in the film version of Moonraker could well be a reference to Fleming's own aversion to blood sports, including fox-hunting and shooting game. I've held that view since I got to know more about Fleming's own background and his presumably rather atypical views (for a man of his time and class anyhow) on blood sports.

    I was actually very interested in this subject matter around 2009-2010 and had planned an article at that time that sadly never came to fruition. There is an article I still intend to write on that subject however, focusing on a particular reading of one of the Fleming Bond short stories.

    This would be FYEO, I guess?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,348
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    royale65 wrote: »
    What an excellent idea for a thread @goldenswissroyale. Shame I've missed the first few opening rounds.

    Round 6:

    A) Quarrel

    I've always been a fan of the relationship between Bond and Quarrel in the novels, and it was most gratifying to see it translated so well to the silver screen.

    Quarrel is the quiet hero - how many black actors were represented that way, a courageous and charming manner, during the 60's? One could say that his fear of dragons, i.e. fear of the unknown, was a stock "black man trope" prevalent during that era. But, both Honey and Quarrel were should to be resilient and dare I say it, smart, of their knowledge of the natural world. The only thing one can say about both characters, is that they did not have a decent education. So it was only natural for them to fall prey to such superstitions.

    In my mind, Quarrel is an great character, played with enormous empathy and resoluteness by John Kitzmiller. (Kitzmiller sadly passed away in 1965 due "liver ailments, which I've just found out)

    B) Clay-pigeon shooting.

    I do enjoy the pheasant shooting*, but there's something so badass about uber-cool Connery Bond, tweaking the nose of Largo.

    (* is that a reference to Fleming's own aversion to blood sports, due you think? @Dragonpol, what do you think?)

    Sorry for the rather late reply, @royale65! Yes, I do indeed think that Bond's aversion to shooting pheasants in the film version of Moonraker could well be a reference to Fleming's own aversion to blood sports, including fox-hunting and shooting game. I've held that view since I got to know more about Fleming's own background and his presumably rather atypical views (for a man of his time and class anyhow) on blood sports.

    I was actually very interested in this subject matter around 2009-2010 and had planned an article at that time that sadly never came to fruition. There is an article I still intend to write on that subject however, focusing on a particular reading of one of the Fleming Bond short stories.

    This would be FYEO, I guess?

    Yes, it would get a mention, also 'Risico' but I was mainly thinking of the fox-hunting subtext I detect at work in FAVTAK. I should probably dust that idea off and take it out of my bottom drawer at some stage.
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