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Which Film is the one that feels LEAST like a Bond film to you ?

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  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    To me, this all demonstrates what an unforgivable task the film makers have.

    QOS doesn’t feel Bondian because it’s not fantastical enough. But DAD doesn’t feel Bondian because it’s too fantastical. Somehow the film makers have to hit the sweet spot between the two positions.

    But, reading other threads here, they also have to hit the sweet spot regarding the villain, the villain’s plot, the number of callbacks to earlier films (too many or not enough), the number of tropes, the music, the women, even the length of the film...

    I agree with this. Both QoS and DAD for very different reasons. But the one thing they also share is having the worst Bond songs of all time too.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Odd as it may sound, on my first viewing of the '06 CASINO ROYALE, I thought it felt more like an updated adaptation of the novel rather than a Bond movie.

    Once we get to the casino section it really feels like a Bond film to me. Much of the earlier scenes, however: the Miami airport section, and even the PTS feel so different to what has come before.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    It may surprise some if I say I found LTK very disconcerting when I first watched it. It didn't feel like Bond at all. With subsequent rewatches I now see it's a traditional Bond film at its core.

    The next one to throw me was GE which to me felt like a parody of Bond (or greatest hits as many call it). I preferred TND which at moments seemed to capture some of the Moore era sensibility if never quite hitting the same heights.

    TWINE and DAD are just awful. And then the Craig era while better is still not quite there for me. So I suppose I'm one of those who feel something changed around 89-95 that they've never fully got over.

    Death of Cubby is the most obvious explanation although I think it is more complicated than that. I think the fact Maibaum was sort of sidelined on LTK and then of course not involved at all on GE is another key factor. The writing has never really regained the same quality and consistency.
  • BT3366BT3366
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    Getafix wrote: »
    It may surprise some if I say I found LTK very disconcerting when I first watched it. It didn't feel like Bond at all. With subsequent rewatches I now see it's a traditional Bond film at its core.

    The next one to throw me was GE which to me felt like a parody of Bond (or greatest hits as many call it). I preferred TND which at moments seemed to capture some of the Moore era sensibility if never quite hitting the same heights.

    TWINE and DAD are just awful. And then the Craig era while better is still not quite there for me. So I suppose I'm one of those who feel something changed around 89-95 that they've never fully got over.

    Death of Cubby is the most obvious explanation although I think it is more complicated than that. I think the fact Maibaum was sort of sidelined on LTK and then of course not involved at all on GE is another key factor. The writing has never really regained the same quality and consistency.

    I don't know if it was all the time elapsed between LTK and GE, but everybody fell over themselves praising GE as this is real Bond and all that. Looking back now, GE really seems like just any '90s action movie starring Schwarzenegger at the time. The bungee jump was awesome and screamed Bond, but then we got the goofy flying into the plane, that sort of thing that sort of sets the tone.

    I realize some things had to be updated with the end of the Cold War, but a lot of it seemed like doing too much to separate itself, like suddenly giving Bond a close OO friend, but clinging to the past with the space hardware, secret base, etc. that were already done to death. They even threw in a wristwatch with a laser like Connery used 12 years before in NSNA.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,327
    Getafix wrote: »
    It may surprise some if I say I found LTK very disconcerting when I first watched it. It didn't feel like Bond at all. With subsequent rewatches I now see it's a traditional Bond film at its core.

    The next one to throw me was GE which to me felt like a parody of Bond (or greatest hits as many call it). I preferred TND which at moments seemed to capture some of the Moore era sensibility if never quite hitting the same heights.

    TWINE and DAD are just awful. And then the Craig era while better is still not quite there for me. So I suppose I'm one of those who feel something changed around 89-95 that they've never fully got over.

    Death of Cubby is the most obvious explanation although I think it is more complicated than that. I think the fact Maibaum was sort of sidelined on LTK and then of course not involved at all on GE is another key factor. The writing has never really regained the same quality and consistency.

    LTK feels like the last proper Bond film to me. It had all the hallmarks of Cubby's Bond, and I think Maibaum excelled here and turned in his best script since OHMSS. It just gave us enough of a new twist with Bond going rogue, and adding more violence.

    What we didn't know is that this would eventually become the blueprint for the entire Craig era.
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