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However it does seem a bit of a shame that the organisation isn't going to be in SF. Why go to all that trouble of setting up a threat and not following it through? Then again they may appear in future films like they did in the 60s.
CR for me.
And since QoS felt like a quality drop from CR, I am somewhat disappointed.
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Drinking wall paint is better than DAD.
The problem is that Spectre only disappeared for 2 years, between FRWL and TB, and Blofeld already appeared in FRWL. With Quantum, they disappeared for 6 years until Bond 24, and we barely saw them in QOS. So yes I think it is a legitimate question in that will the general audience feel cheated if Quantum doesn't appear again. IMO they wouldn't care at all. Had Quantum contained more of Quantum, ie. the head of Quantum appearing a-la Blofeld in FRWL, then yes Quantum should be brought back.
But you have to understand the Bond 24 won't be made to satisfy the hardcore fans' appetite for more Quantum, but for the general audience who probably won't remember Quantum in 2014.
no, QOS problems seem to me to stem from the writers strike, the structure of the QOS plot was there but there were a number of scenes that needed to be filled out or polished up and that never happened
I think QOS would still have been rated a mediocre entry at best
IMO the only thing that can raise QOS reputation will be a strong third movie involving Quantum
I have absolutely no doubt that QoS will come to be seen as one of those films which was underappreciated at the time but grows in fans's affections over time.
As preposterous as the tank chase in GE or the construction chase in CR may have been, at least they were well put together. You could see the time and effort that went into them and, behind the camera,was a filmmaker who knew how to edit action sequences properly.
Most people I've talked to about QoS haven't rated it that highly. I suspect it will be another LTK, some fans will love it others won't.
Is it the worst? No, but it does feel very underwelming as a Bond movie.
Give me GE or CR hands down, at least they had a more complete feel to them and were done by people who seemed to know what they were doing.
I haven't seen much of Forster's stuff but I liked Finding Neverland. However he was out of his depth for Bond.
"Mitigating circumstances" shouldn't really be an excuse either.
Found this rather cool fanmade clip:
I am certainly cringing but this may not be as ludicrous as it sounds.
Bond has been rebooted so that he was born in 1967 or whatever, was in the SAS and went to Afghanistan etc so therefore it follows that in this timeline Tracy doesnt exist and nor do Blofeld and SPECTRE.
It sounds like a shocking idea on the face of it but for Bond to be caught and brought to the leader of Quantum in Bond 24 and for him to turn and face Bond and say 'My name is Ernst Stavro Blofeld' would bring the house down.
Even better if thats the end of the film (kind of like the 'Bond, James Bond' line in CR) leaving it on a massive cliffhanger. Even better still they film Bond 24 and 25 back to back before Daniel gets too old and have him going out in style in 2015.
If it was someone of the calibre of say Gary Oldman hamming it right up as Ernst could EON pull this off in the realistic Craig era? Not saying volcanoes and rockets - well I am but more subtle and beliveable ones. Give Daniel an over the top TB/MR romp for his final film.
Just for the record my position is that the whole idea would probably turn out as an absolute pile of crap but dont rule out P&W selling it to Babs. After all we are having a new Q and Moneypenny foisted upon us and rebooting is the holy grail of modern cinema.
im pretty sure MGM would go bankrupt and that James Bond films would stop... Die Another Day despite having a bad repuation wasnt as abysmal as QOS- atleast it has fun moments..QOS is just a Jason Borune film- with horrible music, a pathetic villian and an inconsistant storyline which makes no F%**ing sense...
While Skyfall delivers a standalone villain in Javier Bardem's falmboyant, charismatically menacing Silva, (Barbara) Broccoli says that the filmmakers haven't abandoned the shadowy Quantum organisation, gameplayers behind the last two films. "No, I think it's still out there, but we just don't refer to it in this particular film."
Tantalisingly, (Michael) Wilson reveals that they have the rights to bring back Blofeld and SPECTRE, cornerstones of the big-screen Bond that vanished in legal battles for long decades. "We believe we can use them. They're a little dated at the moment,. We went for the Quantum organisation, which was more business oriented, trying to corner the market on scare resources, rather than a criminal organisation that did blackmail and bank robberies..."
"And since they were parodied in the Austin Powers films I think we need a little time to pass before we go back to extortion and blackmail!" laughs Broccoli. "The Quantum organisation does seems far more realistic".
It's not an excuse though, it's a factor. CR and Skyfall weren't made under the cloud of something like the writer's strike whch I do feel gave the film a slightly different complexion to the other two.
I've read lots of comments saying the audience would feel cheated, but I think the mass audience wouldn't give a crap, especially after SF.
Quantum were forgettable anyway.
Interesting idea! I doubt it, but nice idea! If Quantum is re-introduced, I hope they're made extinct before the end of the DC era...
Count me in.
Thanks for posting this for us.
It seems Quantum will return and I'd be all for that in the next film. Hopefully they'll be up to something far bigger than before and pose a threat to Bond.
You can substitute the word "realistic" with "plausible" then. ;)
I think the promise of introducing a major shadowy organisation that's a threat to Bond and then not delivering on that promise would be cheating the audience. Yes no-one's going to be up in arms if they never return because we're all there to see Bond. Still, you have to admit the possibility and potential of Quantum is pretty big? They can take it in various directions.
Besides, if they were that forgettable then none of us would be talking about them ;).
You're welcome. And it's quite likely they would be up to something bigger seeing as Bond is now on their radar. Remember during the Tosca opera scene they were discussing different plans. Clearly Greene was the proponent of the Tierra project ('crowning achievement'?) but they were discussing changing focus to the Canadian agent (or rather intelligence officer) and one voice even questioned "I'm still not sure the Tierra project is the best use of Quantum's time". So whilst it's an organisation or body there isn't always total agreement between all parties and this may cast doubts on a Blofeld figure. Unless he rises through the ranks to become their leader?
Well, let's not forget......Goldfinger was Sean's first Bond film without SPECTRE. I'm pretty certain QUANTUM will come back eventually. But then full-throttle, like SPECTRE did in Thunderball.
Moreover, Sam Mendes said in Empire Magazine that he looks forward to directing the next Bond flick. I really hope so....
Personally I hate the fact they ended up calling 'the organisation', spoken of so obliquely in CR, Quantum. It was purely to tie it in with a weak title, and it sounds more like a software company based in Slough than anything else. Are we supposed to believe these shadowy oligarchs met up and that was the best name they could come up with? And I really think the main villain of QoS should have been Vesper's ex-boyfriend; not the walk-on character as revealed in the movie, but a big villain who Bond had an in-built reason to want to go after - an Emilio Largo to the organisation's unseen Blofeld equivalent. That would have been way cooler than what we got.
That's a very good way of looking at it yes. :)
I'm satisfied with how Yusef Kabira (Vesper's ex) was handled. At the end of it, he was just a very small cog in a big machine and really the real enemy is whoever's left in charge, which is quite a few people. The only thing though is if Quantum is brought back, what will they do with the likes of Guy Haines? I'd suspect they would just forget him and bring others in. Afterall, with their identities revealed, they could have been killed or apprehended - or most of them anyway.
Quantum is the least dubious name one could have called it and if you look at one of the definitions for the word:
a large quantity; bulk.
Then makes sense in terms of their modus operandi and their ultimate goal: power and securing major resources.
Personally I'd be surprised if there's anything in Slough let alone a software company :p .... "but someone's been buying up large tracts of land there for some philanthropic work.." oh hang on. And Quantum of Solace is an awesome title and it's one Fleming came up with.
What I want to know is; whether Quantum will eventually metamorphose into full blown SPECTRE....and whether somekind of overthecountercream will be made readily available. lol
It's a fine title for a short story about a doomed relationship; I don't think it's a great title for a movie, and the same goes for 'OO7 In New York'. My point is it was a daft idea trying to squeeze more relevance out of the title by making Quantum the name of the organisation.
I agree with this. OHMSS was loathed and ridiculed until a new generation saw it away from the 1969 hoopla on vhs. OP was looked down on after release and is now a fan favourite.
Same with QoS. There are lots of good points ie pace, character progression,cinematography and these will be seen as positives in time particularly when the Craig era is seen as a whole.