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You might want to read them again then.
Yes.
Under your strict guidelines, I suppose, right? Just to make sure I get all the complexity when Bond dumps bat guano onto Dr. No?
Good work, @notimetocry. "You're Owed a Death" is now the top fancandidate for the title of B26.
That response was fantastic, Dimi. =D>
Ehhhh...
Casino Royale had a sad ending, and that did great.
Skyfall had a sad ending, and that did great.
Bond dying matters less than you think. To paraphrase Ernst Stavro Blofeld, news of B26 will soothe these wounds. Overtime NTTD will feel like less of a betrayal than it does now, I promise you.
Until we know the story premise of Bond 26... noone can state with absolute certainty Craig's Bond is dead. It's just people's opinions posted on the internet. We don't know what Eon will do. 😉
How is the flat earth community these days?
JamesK, thankyou for typing that long message on the previous page. One of the most level-headed posts about the whole thing, I thought.
I hope you’re right. I would have viewed this film, probably at least 6-8 times if it had a different ending. Definitely affected my number of viewings, and mindset about Bond in general.
I for one am glad they take risks. Do we really want a studio pumping out films by committee that have been structured by focus group to maximise return?
It's clear this was an artistic decision. Some here are asking if it was a stunt to cause controversy and draw in crowds (come on) while others wonder why EON would do something so stupid that is guaranteed to put people off. Can't both be right can they? I think neither are.
It's clearly what Craig and the producers wanted to do artistically, to the point of dropping an Oscar winning director so they could do it. Whether we agree or disagree, I think we should respect they did what they wanted to artistically without regard for box office. I think they know the box office is far more affected by the overall quality of the film making, script, and action, which they absolutely hit out of the park and are all in another league to Spectre and most Bond films frankly. How Cary got the feel of a Bond film so right (ending notwithstanding) starting his research when he got the gig is incredible. The jokes actually zing (thanks Phoebe), I didn't see any intrusive CGI, the action is exciting, the supporting cast are fantastic, the cinematography is sublime. The Jamaica.and Cuba sequence is the best classic Bind sequence we've had since, well I don't even know when, I'm not sure we've had a sequence that fun and exciting since Connery.
That's what will influence most casual viewers more, Bond dying is a point of interest but not a deal-breaker for most people. Just like for most of us Batman dying wouldn't particularly bother us if the rest of the film is fantastic.
*SPOILER WARNING* The new Superman is bi. Yes, in the comic books. Jon Kent, son of Clark & Lois, is coming out. I'm sure DC Comics is just trying to destroy public interest in their flagship character...
(Or maybe, just maybe, they're trying to change with the times & keep an 80+ year old character interesting to modern audiences.)
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Casino Royale ends with Bond standing over the villain, gun in hand, stating his name. That got applause back in 2006. And Skyfall ends with Bond going back to work "with pleasure." Also not a sad ending. I'm not even sure how you can compare those to NTTD.
Yes, I love that ... as well as the expression on his face and the countenance of his body language before it all. He never gave up ... and doesn't flinch before the inevitability of his oncoming death. That's a hero.
The point being: Change Happens. It's useless to try to resist; best perhaps to go with the flow.
The comparison is: CR ended with Vesper dead... and Bond soldiering on. SF ended with M dead... and Bond soldiering on. NTTD ends with Bond dead...and Madeline soldiering on, telling Mathilde stories about her father. The saga comes full circle. Bond is dead, long live Bond. If you don't like the movie, too bad; your loss. I thought it was a great Bond flick and I'm not alone. I hope some day you'll join us...
It's a shame we were in such a rush to get back to London
Love it.
I think we did get some of those moments ... on his boat ... returning with the fish ... in the shower... later, pensively looking towards the water. Perhaps others I've overlooked?
Some more such moments might have been nice, but the stolid expression on his face throughout these communicated that loneliness as well.
1. No need to reach, and introduce such unnecessary story elements (Blofeld, Spectre, etc.)
2. Bond takes on Quantum and wins. Exposes its worldwide syndicate, and saves the day.
3. No Madeline and Mr. White garbage. Madeline isn’t in the film.
4. The best part, there is no NTTD
5. Call the movie Risico
I'd post this question in the Production Thread, but it can't go there yet; is it basically agreed at this point that Boyle left the project because he did not want to kill Bond?
Yeah that's a good point, I could be forgetting a few more as well.
I just felt Bond's isolation more in Skyfall than in NTTD. Perhaps because he was paired up through NTTD quite a bit of it? More of a visual storytelling might have helped here, have him I'm isolation longer or not have the Jamaica Nomi scene maybe?
@NickTwentyTwo it's not confirmed mate but it's assumed Boyle left because of the ending
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I think Mendes really cost them. Evidently he and DC did not get along during SP (please correct me if I’m wrong). And he introduced the mess that is Spectre. Spectre to me is more like what should be the first film of maybe a trilogy or something. They had a great arc going, and there is no way (to me) that Blofeld was 1/4 as good as Mr. White. White is sinister, and ominous. See chair interrogation scene in Qos. Why did they go with so much more slapstick in SP? Does anyone know?
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I agree in part, but Bond seemed to be very jaded and lonely. I think there is a huge difference in his entire demeanor between his Jamaica scenes and his Norway scenes which shows just how much he's evolved emotionally. There is that moment in Jamaica when Nomi accuses him of having nothing to live for and he stares at his lap for a while before looking up and it's written all over his face. Craig played it perfectly.
Sorry mods. Accidentally posted.
You've only taken PART of my point to respond to and that really takes the whole issue out of context. As I've said, here & elsewhere: Bond is dead, LONG LIVE BOND. The next fellow may well be closer to your liking than Craig ever was. Live in hope, not in regret.