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I'm always keep hoping Wiley will win one day, but he never does...
I mean is it really that different from other drama we watch?
Like different actors playing Hamlet or Othello, we know it always ends badly
However you've got me thinking, perhaps for me the actor is paramount over the character, so I can accept Craig-Bond dying because, to me, it has no ramifications for Connery-Bond etc or even Book-Bond, in my World
Clint Eastwood as a cop can be called Harry Callaghan or Walt Coogan or Wes Block, but he's really always Clint in my mind. Ditto for John Wayne or Arnie (apart from when he's the terminator) etc
So I can easily accept one dead Bond when I still have five "live" ones and I doubt Babs intends to kill him again any time soon
Hahaha
Probably the same reason his ear piece communication wasn't knocked out of action. The script didn't require it, even though an EMP would have disabled it.
As an action definitely delivers in entertainment factor and peace, it’s definitely an engaging spy movie but ughh it doesn’t feel like a Bond movie.
Terrible idea to keep Madeline as Bond girl having bond become sort of a family man breaks the magic of the character bond is a playboy and should have stayed that way.
Also killing him at the end was a terrible idea.
The director tried to do with him what marvel wonderfully did with Logan and Tony Stark but it just didn’t fit.
My score would be 6.7 out of 10
Craig still was fine but he ain’t bond this time
Yes, the use of those pieces of music seems really odd to me, the Craig-Bond series has always been presented as an "alternative Bond timeline", unconnected to past Bonds, yet as they approach the end suddenly they introduce music connected to the death of Tracy Draco over 50 years ago. A character who was never mentioned or used in the Craig-Bond saga. Some kind of musical theme connected with Vespa Lynd would have made sense, but not Tracy.
Many Directors resort to using a popular song as an quick and easy way to elicit emotion from the audience, in lieu of doing the hard work needed to achieve the same result via images and dialogue, or come up with an original piece of music written specifically for the movie. It's a practise which I consider to be pure laziness.
OK, I will drop this article also on this thread as it may be of general interest. I am reading it in a few minutes. My scientist friend, huge Bond fan, sent this to me. Click in to get to the article. It should be interesting, and hopefully spark a bit other kinds of discussion on this forum. "A Flu To A Kill" and more, written by actual scientists, I believe ... ;)
@slide_99 And yes, Eon needs to go back to simple, yet entertaining plots. For me, you cannot beat Casino Royale. “You realize if you lose (at the poker game), that our government will have directly financed terrorism.” Simple, intense, and believable. I was hooked.
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sciencedirect.com article]
... To examine our hypothesis, we examined adherence to international travel advice during the 86 international journeys that James Bond was observed to undertake in feature films spanning 1962–2021. Scrutinizing these missions involved ∼3113 min of evening hours per author that could easily have been spent on more pressing societal issues. We uncovered above-average sexual activity, often without sufficient time for an exchange of sexual history, with a remarkably high mortality among Bond's sexual partners (27.1; 95% confidence interval 16.4–40.3). Given how inopportune a bout of diarrhea would be in the midst of world-saving action, it is striking that Bond is seen washing his hands on only two occasions, despite numerous exposures to foodborne pathogens. We hypothesize that his foolhardy courage, sometimes purposefully eliciting life-threatening situations, might even be a consequence of Toxoplasmosis. Bond's approach to vector-borne diseases and neglected tropical diseases is erratic, sometimes following travel advice to the letter, but more often dwelling on the side of complete ignorance. Given the limited time Bond receives to prepare for missions, we urgently ask his employer MI6 to take its responsibility seriously. We only live once.
Princess Leia/black widow etc are dead in their respective universes
I was hoping for the disco version.
A popular song? What percentage of people seeing this film do you think even know OHMSS exists, let alone its theme? I can't keep up with the logical leaps being made here. Even in the UK if 10% of people recognised it at first screening I'd be surprised. OHMSS is generally disregarded by the public because of the Lazenby factor. Funny enough when Cary was watching the films it stood out, rightly, and guess what, it's the one with the sad ending!
It makes absolute sense in this film. We've spent four films with people complaining they don't use Bond themes enough, they use an all time classic Bond piece, people complain. If your heart didn't swell when that started playing, something those of use under 60 thought we'd never hear at the cinema, I'm not sure you really like Bond, you were obviously determined not to enjoy yourself.
This film essentially does an inverted OHMSS, which I should have realised as soon as Bond said the words in the PTS. They weren't going to kill Madeline and do the same again, so that music and Bond saying those words was one hell of a clue to where this film was going. There were some signposts.
Glad you're still loving it, Peter :). I found that on my third time I got more emotional at different parts of the movie than I did the first and second time out (Bond at Vesper's grave and his speech to Madeleine in Norway in particular). It's an emotional rollercoaster and I can't wait to see it again (My poor husband though!)
The "popular song" aspect was intended to be part of a general comment which formed the second paragraph.
I am aware that most of the audience will barely or never have heard WHATTITW and I'm not suggesting that it doesn't work as a piece of music in the context of the movie itself, just that it seems an odd choice to make given that, after establishing the Craig-Bond saga as a completely separate time line for 4+ movies, they suddenly want to introduce an element of continuity with a timeline which they have previously chosen treat as if it didn't exist.
IMO when people talk about "not using the Bond theme enough", they are referring to the main Bond theme (the Monty Norman one) , not suggesting that the makers should recycle "Goldfinger" or "Diamonds Are Forever"
Please try to refrain from making snide remarks like "I'm not sure you really like Bond" as they can only lead to escalating levels of rudeness
That scene in Norway, @00Heaven , Bond’s emotion-confession, kills me. As melodramatic as it sounds, I was literally shaking as my emotions were yo-yo-ing all over the place.
I’m a big fan of Safin as well. His cruelty is born from being a pathetic soul… Loved this character.
Same people: “I don’t understand Safin because they didn’t overexplain his motivation.”
He’ll be the most re-examined character of the Craig era, mark my words.
Yeah, I’m wondering if you’re right. I thought Safin improved on repeat viewings, and Rami certainly acted the hell out of the part. I remember when Rami gave interviews saying that out of all of the villains, he was the one that really gets under Bond’s skin. And now we know why as not only did he target Bond’s family but he literally got under his skin with the nanobots.
I think I most fans have no problem differentiating Bond between Craig’s Bond and his predecessors. It’s not about “ignoring” what came before, but rather acknowledging that it’s all fictional. It’s make believe.
And the idea of different iterations of the same character isn’t unique to sci-fi tropes. Look at how many different iterations of Sherlock Holmes there is. Nobody had trouble understanding that the Sherlocks portrayed by Benedict Cumberbatch and Robert Downey Jr. are in different realities.
Also, I’m surprised you assumed Craig’s was supposed to be the same Bond as others. Most fans had already understood that Craig’s Bond is not the same as his predecessors. Connery thru Brosnan were 00 agents at least during the Cold War, whereas Craig’s Bond only became 007 after 9/11. How did that not register for you?
Loved the Norway scene as well. They both were wonderful in it.
Thanos
People have previously mentioned how Craig-Bond movies have been influenced by the "Bourne" movies or "The Dark Knight" (or "Austin Powers - Goldmember")
In the same way Safin's half baked second scheme reflects an element of Marvel influence
"Thanos believes the universe is becoming over-populated... Thanos appears and justifies his plans as necessary to guarantee the survival of a universe threatened by overpopulation... Thanos activates the completed Gauntlet by snapping his fingers before teleporting away. Half of all life across the universe disintegrates"
NTTD will take the forever Champion cake as most argued and analyzed.
Lea was remarkable in her scenes with Mathilde. She is the gateway to both worlds the traditional world of family and domesticity and Bonds world this for me mines the theme of the "The Spy Who Loved Me." As Bond says with incredulity I've got a family.
Up until that point family was a concept for everyone else. Orphaned then even worse the surrogate family with the Oberhauser's (given the success of the opening scene in NTTD should we have seen a flash back to Hannes death when a young bond sees the avalanche but not the cause and then the revelation).
Minutes before he dies he knows what it is to be a father and we can believe in that because Lea's performance is so authentic.
Thank you, you nailed it. What a beautiful scene, @Michelle_Johnston_55 ...
Talk about a huge plothole. The thing that could've disabled those nanobots in him was around his wrist and they didn't even think about trying to use it.