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It has been said before, but yes, totally.
I do think Madeline was much better used in NTTD than Spectre though and I found their relationship felt a lot more natural than it did.
If Bond and Madeline were a real life couple, their relationship may have been a workable one, but IMO their scenes together lacked the screen magnetism of Bond and Paloma.
This film has been very clearly marketed as the end of Craig’s tenure. Both he and Fukunaga have noted that there could be no room for misinterpretation, the death would be a ‘fact’. Hence they have him consumed by explosions. Right there on screen in front of us. If they’d wanted to leave it open that would have been incredibly easy to do. But they didn’t. It couldn’t be more definitive.
They could have shown his cracked head over here, a torn leg over there and so on
This is one of NTTD's massive plus points for me. When Bond is almost blown up he goes temporarily deaf, when he is then shot at in the PTS he looks puzzled before reacting, with the shootout scenes at the end of Safin's island, the action unfolds from Craig's perspective.
This felt very Fleming, and its the first time we have seen this type of action unfold like this is a Bond movie. If Cary returns to direct another one, I'd be more than happy.
My gripe has always been mainly with the script, not the production itself.
And M could drive the point home with another OHMSS reference, quipping "He had a lot of guts!"
Bond was still visiting Vesper’s grave annually in the books, as stated in OHMSS.
Get over it Fleming!
Thanks everyone! I was a bit worried about posting such a long and eccentric take on the film, and it's a relief to find it well received. I can also see why Skyfall might be regarded as a more stylish and better-directed film. For me Fukunaga and Lindgren have the edge but I remember how relieved I was to see Skyfall and realize that Deakins and Mendes were delivering sparkling images.
As for the haters who whine about how a beloved franchise has been ruined. I tell them to get over themselves. The Bond franchise has been going for almost 6 decades because of the way they constantly have to reboot re define itself and adapt to changing times
thats IMO
I don't know enough about Shapiro to attac or defend him, but if he left the PaedBC then he can't be all bad, right?
Lol, of course it could, they could have left out...
"James Bond Will Return"
Which makes it confusing for anyone who is not a "fanboy" (or "fangirl")
Michael G. Wilson In March 2017, we started developing a script with Neal Purvis and Robert Wade where Bond continues his relationship with Madeleine Swann. It also featured a toxin that targets people based on their DNA, so it was essentially an untraceable assassin. When Danny Boyle came on board as director in early 2018 he wrote a new treatment with John Hodge. We liked the emotionality of it. Their idea was that Bond had a relationship in the past - not with Madeleine - and he finds out he has a child. The idea of Bond having a child has been mooted before - a daughter was in an early Spectre script. We liked the tone of the Hodge/Boyle treatment, but as it developed it started to veer further and further away from the original story.
Danny is a fantastic filmaker, but we both realized we wanted to make different movies, so we parted on friendly terms in August 2018.
So basically Boyle's "gold idea" was that Bond has a daughter from a previous relationship before being 007 and before Vesper.
https://www.krop.com/timbrowning/#/
This comparison between Ana and Lea gets to the nub of the type of Bond Film people do and do not want.
Those who think Ana had more chemistry must be defining chemistry as pizazz, overt energy, humour and a lightness of touch and in Bond terms full of quips.
From the moment Lea appears on film there is nuance, atmosphere, subtly, ambiguity and you never know quite know what Lea is thinking, feeling except when she has to be decisive or is reacting to a crisis which is beautifully drawn back into her child hood through the recall of the incident she describes to Bond on the train in Spectre. The point about ambiguity in her playing is not original it was something Daniel said when he was asked two years ago about her qualities.
The scenes with Ana are fun entertaining counterpoint and a throw back to the type of mid period portrayals of woman in Bond Lite movies. The scenes with Lea are angst ridden loaded with implication and motive and give NTTD a richness of texture and an additional depth which before Daniel we only see fleetingly with Timothy. Pierce wanted to do his "stuff" in "The World is Not Enough" and Judy and Sophie were capable of elements off that but those were island moments within the old formula.
On the question of knowing Vesper for only a few weeks, relationships can be a lifetime of experiences in a month and offer years of reflection.
Killing off Bond comes down even from CR. Again from the Archives:
Gregg Wilson There were three core elements from the original Purvis and Wade script that we wanted to keep. Since Bond retires at the end of Spectre we liked the idea of introducing a new 007; she’s competitive with Bond and represents the new guard at MI6. Secondly, the DNA-targeted poison was the core idea fr the threat. And lastly, we wanted a satisfying way for Bond to sacrifice himself at the end.
Daniel Craig When I started as Bond on Casino Royale, one of the early discussions I had with Barbara and Michael was that I would like to kill off Bond when I finished.
Barbara Broccoli We had considered killing Bond in Spectre, but decided against it.
So guys, if you hate the idea, Daniel is the one to blame. :D
I can’t believe he wanted that. But there it is. All I can say is: I wish he’d quit after Spectre.