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Am I the only one that finds Sophie Marceau far more beautiful and sexy than Richards?
What we have here, folks, is a true smorgasbord of movies. Delivered to us over our lifetime. We're lucky; admit it. And choose which ones you like to enjoy. I won't tell you your Christmas turkey is reheated or a cheap gag. You go enjoy it, and I'll enjoy plenty of other moments in all 25 Bond movies. :)>-
Glad I'm not the only one that spotted that poor editing.
I agree. That’s what makes the franchise so great. I’ve seen DAD at #1 on a couple of lists before. I’ve seen films like FRWL or CR near/at the bottom on others. I highly doubt any two rankings will ever be an exact match.
I was hesitant before seeing NTTD after the ending was spoiled. But it turns out I that actually enjoyed it.
This film will be discussed appreciated for as long as the Bond franchise continues. And not in a OHMSS / LTK way whereby they slip into relative obscurity and then get their appreciation and moments in the sun years later. This will probably be the film most associated with Craig going forward
And I believe there are many memorable elements to this film that make it stand out
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Great performances across the board;
A unique 2 for 1 PTS;
a brilliant roster of henchmen in Ash and Primo;
beautifully crafted action scenes, both classic Bondian in style (Matera) and fresh and new to the series (stairwell fight);
a movie that puts female characters front and centre but still lets Craig shine with his best performance as Bond;
a fascinating remake of OHMSS . We’ve effectively had remakes before - YOLT, TSWLM, MR - but nothing this radical;
Stunning cinematography;
Beautifully paced;
Extreme Iconoclasm killing off Bond, Felix and Blofeld;
That’s just off the top of my head
Bingo! Thank you @DraxCucumberSandwich !
You're definitely not alone there!
For me, Marceau is the only reson I can sit through this movie!
Is Bond killing Elektra the coldest kill in the franchise? He straight up executes her. There is Dent in DN that comes to mind. Louque in FYEO often gets highlighted (and I suppose going forward Ash in NTTD) but I think it’s memorable partly because it’s so unMoore like
Skyfall is over-estimated. It's good, but it lacks Sean Connery as the gatekeeper.
Skyfall was where I felt we had the closest in Craig’s tenure to a traditional ‘Bond on a mission’ caper, but with so many fun call backs and interesting inversions (eg the villian assaults Bond’s lair at the end rather than the other way round). It’s a beautiful film, crafted really well, and we had s Bond villain for the ages
I find TWINE as the Bond film with the hottest Bond girls ever. :D
Beautiful? Absolutely, yes. Sexy? That's a bit harder to call. But sex appeal is a strange thing.
Absolutely. Although my judgement is clouded by "Wild Things"...
The fights with Ash and Primo were fantastic. I love how they felt life and death, also how brutal Bond was in combat in this film was perfect
I have to agree here, especially with the bold parts.
Though I am no NTTD hater - first 80 or so minutes was the most fun I've had watching a Bondfilm since CR - I do think that many fans' judgement is being clouded by the novelty effect, and this temporary state will fade.
Seems it's easy to get Slated ( ;) ) on this thread for criticizing NTTD, but I do feel we need to balance out some of the (imo) unwarranted 'wow' factor of this movie's promotors.
Its... fine, but other than the fact 007 gets a family and snuffs it it's not going to live long in the memory, surely?
It’s just not what we are used to seeing and I’m sure some fans hated it for seeing their hero on his knees begging like that.
I’d compare it to the William Tell shooting competition scene in Skyfall. Many were touting this as evidence of the lingering misogyny in Bond, as he is so seemingly unperturbed by Severine’s death and even makes a quip. But I never saw it like that. It’s all distraction and misdirection by Bond. He probably felt guilty and miserable about her fate, but he had to play it differently to get the upper hand
The same is going on in NTTD. Bond isn’t a simpering supplicant in this scene anyone than he is a cold heated women hater in the Skyfall scene. He’s just playing it. But it’s still very discomforting to watch
Double post sorry
Well there’s criticising NTTD and then there’s making predictions about how it’s going to be forgotten, that’s the thing. We don’t know how it’ll be remembered. If I had to guess I’d say where I am (the UK) will remember it pretty fondly, because it’s still making tons of money and people seem to be enjoying it. But ultimately, we won’t be able to tell for years, and does it matter? Do we need to try and predict how it’ll live in the public consciousness to prove that we’re right/wrong for enjoying it/not enjoying it?
I enjoyed the film but I’m fine with criticism of it. I’ve criticised it plenty myself (check my initial review in the members review thread). But as I was saying when people were posting about how they were just following trends/copying Marvel/etc, I think we should just stick to judging the film as a film, rather than judging it for things we have no idea about. Basically, I think saying “I don’t like it and here’s why” is one thing. But when people start calling it a flop or predicting that nobody will like it in five years time (based off what? Some mixed reviews on message boards?) then fans of the film are naturally going to think “well no, hang on, where are you getting that from” and may get defensive over it. If we just stuck to talking about the film, then I think the atmosphere in this thread would be more civil.
Although I was very disappointed with what they did at the end, (it actually starts unravelling for me about an hour and a half in), I'm surprised that people found it an overall 'poor movie'. It's really stylish and snappily directed, and the nanobots storyline completely works for me. I think it's ingenious.
I think the movie would have been a truly great James Bond movie if they'd kept away from the whole dad/dead Bond thing. Saving the world would have been enough, (it always used to be!). It would have been a very fitting end to the Craig run to have him emerge victorious from the flames, because it would have been his biggest victory yet.
I suppose they didn't want to end it the same as SP, with him driving off into the sunset.
But if the primary concern lies with the ending (i.e., Bond's death), there's just as much a chance that the film will rise in estimation once a new film/timeline is released. The present discontent could very well stem from the trauma of a still-raw wound, so to speak.
Mind you, I don't care for the movie myself--I'd rank it somewhere in the mid-tier of the franchise--but my qualms concern larger flaws (e.g., the jarring tone, the numbing JOHN WICK-style action, an underwhelming villain). Walking into NTTD, I actually expected Bond to die. I'm frankly surprised that it took EON 25 movies before going through with it.
From how I understand it, 'timelines' are a relatively new cinematic thing. If they'd have done it at the end of, say, License to Kill, or A View to a Kill, the audience would just be confused.
And even now, there's some people having trouble with the movies now being about a character called James Bond, rather than the character, James Bond. Me included.
But what abiut Safin shooting about 5 bullets oin Bond, which (unlike in the other moves) hit and hurt him? He needed to reopen the blast doors, and, even if he had not been poioned with nanobots, how was he supposed to öleave the island, esepcially with the missiles approaching fast? The jetpack from THUNDERBALL? Little Nelly? The Union Jack parachute? All I'm saying is, that when you write, he must have survived, how? Would mean a complete rewrite of the third act. And Bond does not have a bullett-proof skin...
Hasta luego, Pajeros!